Re: Best tocotrienol/tocopherol supplememnts?

[nidhogge]

Once in a while, on PrimordialPerformance.com's forums, I'll see a poster make a comment about how much their hair has thickened up on Toco-8. I ordered a 3-month supply that should be in today.

[The Natural]

Hey guys,

I am finding that Toco-8 should be taken separately from curcumin and resveratrol combination.

More later,
TN

[Nashville Hairline]

Hey guys what about TOCO-SORB? I know that it´s not the most powerful source of TOCO.... But is it potent?

I want to try this too..seems to have most of Toco-8 and for a lot less price and a whole lot more convenient i.e. just a vegicap and not shovelling powder into a drink of your choice every day

[The Natural]

During the summer months, hair, in what I considered my safe areas, seemed to be thinning quite a bit. I initially attributed this to the type of brand that I was using at the time (e.g. LEF Super Bio). But now, I am not so sure. I recently decided to take my tocotrienols, Toco-8, at a different time (evening) from the curcumin/resveratrol combination (morning). And my hair has thickened right back up .

I have read about the possibility of some antioxidants canceling out the benefits of another, if taken at the same time (e.g. curcumin and green tea). Perhaps this is what occurs with curcumin (or resveratrol) and tocotrienols.

[hopeful19]

During the summer months, hair, in what I considered my safe areas, seemed to be thinning quite a bit. I initially attributed this to the type of brand that I was using at the time (e.g. LEF Super Bio). But now, I am not so sure. I recently decided to take my tocotrienols, Toco-8, at a different time (evening) from the curcumin/resveratrol combination (morning). And my hair has thickened right back up .

I have read about the possibility of some antioxidants canceling out the benefits of another, if taken at the same time (e.g. curcumin and green tea). Perhaps this is what occurs with curcumin (or resveratrol) and tocotrienols.

Natural - How many scoops of Toco-8 are you taking?

[j87x]

I've been taking E-gems Elite for the past few months. http://www.iherb.com/E-Gems-Elite-Natural-Vitamin-E-200-IU-120-Soft-Gels/14788?at=0
Probably not as good/balanced as Toco-8, but it's way cheaper so whatever. Toco-Sorb looks like it's missing tocopherols completely, so FamilE is probably better, but more expensive than E-gems.

[The Natural]

hopeful, just taking one scoop in the evening after dinner.

j87x, vitamin E's tocopherols have not been shown to do anything for the hair. It's the tocotrienols that we want. Now, there is literature that suggests tocotrienols should be taken separately from tocopherols to get the maximum benefit. However, "the amount naturally present in Toco-8 is not enough to interfere with the benefits from the tocotrienols."

Still, A.C. Grace makes an all-tocotrienol (no tocopherol) supplement that I will try soon. It, too, is expensive though .

[j87x]

Thanks... guess I better switch to either Toco-8 or TocoSorb.

[goten574]

I take this:

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU355/ItemDetail?n=0

Has CoQ10 and Omega 3 (EPA) in it too.

[edony]

Goten-

over at HLF you stated that you do well on tocotrienols and possibly have seen a decrease in shedding and thickening/some regrowth .How is it going ?
You take 2 caps daily ?

[edony]

During the summer months, hair, in what I considered my safe areas, seemed to be thinning quite a bit. I initially attributed this to the type of brand that I was using at the time (e.g. LEF Super Bio). But now, I am not so sure. I recently decided to take my tocotrienols, Toco-8, at a different time (evening) from the curcumin/resveratrol combination (morning). And my hair has thickened right back up .

I have read about the possibility of some antioxidants canceling out the benefits of another, if taken at the same time (e.g. curcumin and green tea). Perhaps this is what occurs with curcumin (or resveratrol) and tocotrienols.

TN,

I find it quite difficult to believe that this particular combo(taken all together at the same time) has worked so well for you during the past 2 years and now suddenly one cancels each other's benefits out.I think that your thinning was simply coincidental or at least there's another cause for it.Sommer is usually a period when many of us don't experience so-called "good hair days" .
Sure, perhaps it would be ideal to space tocos out from the other two(perhaps,I don't know) but i don't believe it to be the reason for your possible thinning.
Anyhow,I'm glad that everything's resolved for you again.
Let us know for any change in your regimen and/or condition .

I personally started taking again curc-resv-tocos once per day in the evening after dinner.Those 3 do wonders for my mild gingivitis ,that IME is the marker of any inflammation occuring in my body.During the past 2 months that i stopped the combo,my oral condition and seb/dermatitis got much worse. We'll c how my hair does on it,since june that i took BCM-95 , it haven't be able to recover.

[The Natural]

edony, I never had problem with taking Jarrow's curcumin, resveratrol, and tocotrienols/tocopherols at the same time. But these other brands have been something of a rollercoaster for me: Initially, I could definitely see a (positive) difference in thickness (even better than with Jarrow's); then after two months or so, I experienced some of the strangest thinning throughout the front part of my head. Maybe it was LEF's curcumin.

I stopped taking it almost two months ago, and switched to Meriva's curcumin. During this time, my hair's thickness did not return; though it didn't get any worse either.

The only other change that I made was to take Toco-8 in the evening, 7-9 hours apart from the curcumin/ resveratrol combination.

So, I don't know. It could very well be a seasonal thing, as you stated. But I will continue to monitor my progress with this latest adjustment, and keep everyone informed.

Going to try A.C. Grace's tocotrienol supplement soon. Here is a link from a poster who downloaded PDF files of studies "that show that alpha-tocopherol attenuates (weakens) tocotrienol benefits, and another paper that shows alpha-tocopherol to increase degradation of tocotrienols." They can be seen on the left, under "Latest files" here: http://my.hairlossfight.com/

TN

[goten574]

Goten-

over at HLF you stated that you do well on tocotrienols and possibly have seen a decrease in shedding and thickening/some regrowth .How is it going ?
You take 2 caps daily ?

I've been using various oils since the end of February. I don't believe these are helping in regrowth but who knows as I still continue to use them but lowered the use from 3 times a week to once a week starting from September.

I started taking MSM and Tocotrienols since mid August, usually one a day but sometimes two. (I would say 60% of the time I take one, and 40% I take two). I usually take these two together with a variety of seeds such as Sesame, Pumpkin and Sunflower (1 tablespoon). I take the seeds for general health but heard the present of Sunflower enhances absorption of Tocotrienols. I also take Vitamin B Complex and D3 as well as drinking Spearmint and Green Tea regularly.

At the end of August, I started doing Balayam and also purchased a Boar Bristle Brush. I am not sure what is causing it but I really believe I am seeing results. I noticed my hair loss this time last year and although it does not look as good as it did back then, it's still minor and I am sure I see an improvement over the last couple of months. Who knows... sometimes I feel really good about my hair and other times I feel awful.