Re: Hypothesis of Male Pattern Hair Loss

[Misirlou]

I'm looking at the official recommendations on Iodine from Dietary Reference Intake (DRI)..
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dietary_Reference_Intake

Iodine
Estimated Average Requirements: 95 mcg
Recommended Dietary Allowances: 150 mcg
Tolerable upper intake levels: 1100 mcg

Doesn't these guidelines have a huge gap before they even get close to what this thread is recommending?

[CausticSymmetry]

Misirlou - This link will answer a lot of questions:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/1959949/IODINE-Solution-to-Healthproblems

Due to erroneous research and medical dogma, the "Rats, drugs and assumptions" (RDA) is a 100 times less than it should be.

[cpio]

It would have been nice with some references to toxicity studies, in that slideshow.

Misrlou, I am also hesitant to exceed the upper tolerable level. Wikipedia usually has some pretty good info as a general guideline.

[CausticSymmetry]

iodine is considered to be one of the safest minerals in the world. An allergy to iodine which is rare usually exhibits hives.

It is through some 3,000 to 4,000 patients from a clinician. According to Dr. Brownstein, it will be some 100 years from now until you this truth is accepted as fact.

Having worked in medical practice I can name a rather huge list of medical "sacred cows" that most medical professionals believe like a religion but are utterly patently false. depending on what area of medicine it is, most doctors are somewhere between ten to 50 years outdated.

Having said all this, there isn't going to be much in the way of published research supporting these new views.

There is some very strong anecdotal on this stuff, which I think accounts for something also. One that is especially interesting is that high dose iodine is known in some circles (users) to engender longer life.

[jdp710]

Don't forget to check out the links at this site ... very good information =

http://www.breastcancerchoices.org/iodineinfo.html

[jdp710]

This was taken from cure zone

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" Iodine, Why You Need It, Why You Can't Live Without IT" by David Brownstein, MD:

Concern with using high levels of iodine

"There is some concern that the ingestion of Iodine in excess of the RDA will cause adverse effects...there are seven major concerns with using iodine in excess of the RDA:

1) allergy
2) autoimmune thyroid disease
3) detoxification reactions
4) iodine-induced hypothyroidism and goiter
5) iodine-induced hyperthyroidism
6) iodism
7) thyroid cancer

1)allergy...
In my experience, an allergy to inorganic iodine/iodide(Lugol's or Iodoral) is rare...an allergy can take any form, including a rash, fatigue, congestion, headache and a fever. NAET, an acupressure technique, has been useful in some of my patients to help them overcome an allergy to iodine..

here's a resource on that:


http://www.naet.com




2)autoimmune thyroid disease...
Some researchers...believe that autoimmune thyroid problems are caused by iodine intake in excess of the RDA...before the adoption of radioactive iodine to treat the side effects of autoimmune thyroid illnesses, the use of higher doses of iodine was the treatment of choice for these illnesses...
If iodine was the cause of autoimmune thyroid illnesses, these illnesses should have been decreasing over the last 30 years. The opposite has occured. In the U.S., iodine levels have fallen approx. 50% over the last 30 yrs while, at the same time, autoimmune thyroid sdisorders have been rapidly increasing.

3) Detoxification reactions...
If the body's detoxification pathways are overloaded when the toxic halides are being released, a detoxification reaction can be triggered. A detoxification reaction can take the form of fatigue, muscle aches, fever, diarrhea, and brain fog, among others...Though a detoxification reaction to iodine usage is RARE, it has happened...can be minimized with nutritional support, balancing pH, balancing hormonal systems.."

***Here's what Brownstein did for a patient suffering detox symptoms***

this portion is in reference to a patient suffering bromide detox symptoms(fatigue, headaches) on 50 gm. per day iodoral.

"...the iodine was helping her body excrete large amounts of bromide. During a detoxification process, the body's detoxification systems need proper support to ensure the toxic chemicals can be safely released without harming the body's tissues. I told Ellen to take large amounts of Vitamin C- 10,000 mg. per day as vitamin C helps all of the body's detoxification pathways function more effectively. Furthermore, I placed Ellen on 10 gm. of unrefined Sea Salt per day. The unrefined sea salt has chloride which can assist in the body's removal of bromine. In addition, the minerals in sea salt help the detoxification process. Ellen was also doing Epsom Salt baths(two cups in a tub of water) twice a week and taking a magnesium supplement(amount not specified)...Unless iodine levels are elevated along with the support of the body's detoxification pathways, the body will be unable to release bromide."

here's a link on Vitamin C & sea salt:



http://curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=839245#i



4)Iodine induced hypothyroidism and goiter
"When animals or humans that are iodine deficient are given large doses of iodine, there is a TRANSIENT DECREASE in thyroid hormone production(approx. 26-40 hrs.) until the body reestablishes it's equilibrium with iodine. After that, thyroid levels adjust to normal and signs of hypothyroid do not develop.

5)Iodine-induced hyperthyroidism
The use of iodine in a previously iodine-deficient population may result in a TRANSIENT INCREASE in thyroid hormones...Studies have shown that the increase in thyroid hormones, which could lead to hyperthyroid symptoms(palpitations, nervousness), will gradually decrease. Can be monitored with lab tests & adjustments in dosage.

6)Iodism
...results when the dose is too high...results in metallic taste in mouth, increased salivation, sneezing, headache & acne...frontal headache...fever...
adjust dosage!(down) can use chlorophyll tablets to eradicate taste of iodine***(on a personal note, I LIKE the taste of iodine:)).***

7)thyroid cancer...
There have been some reports in the literature that iodine supplementation can be associated with an increased incidence of thyroid papillary cancer. If iodine usage were the cause of thyroid cancer, then falling iodine levels would be expected to lead to lowered hyroid cancer levels. However, this has not been the case. During the last several decades, when iodine levels have declined, the incidence of thyroid cancer has markedly increased. PERHAPS IODINE DEFICIENCY IS THE CAUSE OF THE ELEVATION IN THYROID CANCERS!!"(emphasis mine)

[CausticSymmetry]

jdp710 - This is great information. There's a bit of an irony with iodine supplementation that is similar to other substances that have a potentially great benefit, which sometimes there are some short term side effects that cause the user to panic
and unbeknownst to them they are getting rid of toxins, they then stop taking it and never realize the full benefit.

I experienced some very mild side effects from high dose iodine use in the beginning, which are listed in the post above. I have noticed health improvements since that time, which is surprising since I had already thought I had "everything" covered.

[lukso]

JDP: What is your recommendation for topical use of Lugol's iodine? What solution strength? ...frequency of use? ...coverage time?

[jdp710]

Hey CausticSymmetry,

I 100% agree with you. I did my research on iodine/iodide 1 1/2 years ago and realized that it has a very low toxicity. Not to mention, there have been many times in my life that I've used very large doses of Betadine topically. While it has something like 3% absorption in your body when applied topically, I still must have received a very large dose of iodine those times. Well, I never fell over and died as some of the literature would have you believe, lol.

In short, I'm 100% positive that I'm better off having added Lugol's 1 1/2 years ago ... at the very least for getting the very toxic bromide out of my body.

Here are some good quotes from Dr. Abraham's article which is a good read on why people view iodine as being extremely toxic:

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There is a great need to educate physicians about the great difference between organic iodine and inorganic iodine/iodide

Amiodarone contains organic iodine. The use of inorganic iodine/iodide at 9 mg/day was never tested in similar patients as an alternative to amiodarone, a drug releasing about 9 mg iodine per day. It would not be surprising if 9 mg inorganic iodine/iodide/day resulted in the beneficial effects without the severs side effects

The review of the history of iodine by L.E. Braverman,15 covering the period from 1961 to 1994, was limited to the thyroid gland exclusively, because by then, thyroid fixation had become pandemic, and the only role of iodine as an essential element was assumed to be due to its incorporation in the thyroid hormones.

The concept of orthoiodosupplementation 30is based on the self-evident fact that the whole body, not just the thyroid gland, needs iodine. The whole body needs this essential trace element, which plays different roles in different organs and tissues

http://optimox.com/pics/Iodine/IOD-05/IOD_05.html

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Here are some good quotes on bromides toxicity

Effects of Bromide on the Organs


Iodine depletion weakens the thyroid and other organs. (2)(3)(4)(5)(6) In
individuals where the bromide-iodine ratio is less, bromide may not be
problematic.

Thyroid



Elevated bromide levels have been implicated in every thyroid disease, from
simple hypothyroidism to auto-immune diseases to thyroid cancer.
Malenchenko found bromide levels 50 times higher in thyroid cancer than
normal thyroid tissue. (7)



Rats fed even the minimal amount of bromine expected to be encountered in
the environment underwent goiter-like changes (, an arguable case of
bromide dominance. In the FIRE project, exposing rats to the brominated flame
retardant compound, bromocyclodecane, showed consistent effects on the
thyroid hormone axis, including decreased T4. Thyroid gland cells have
increased size and larger nuclei, indicating increased synthetic activity. (9)

With enhanced intake of bromide, fully one-third of the iodine content in the
thyroids of rats was replaced by bromide. (10)

Skin

Skin biopsied from a woman who had been on bromide-containing sedatives
for nearly four years found increased bromide in normal skin and three
times that in an affected skin lesion. (11)

An infant administered a syrup containing sodium bromide developed
vegetative lesions on the face and scalp. (12)

Technicians exposed to brominated compounds for prolonged periods
developed multiple cherry angiomas on the trunk and extremities. (12)

Mental

The psychiatry literature abounds with cases of elevated bromide levels being
implicated in mental conditions from depression to schizophrenia. (14)(15)(16)
As Guy Abraham, MD, asks, "How many people with misdiagnosed bromism
are currently treated with psychiatric drugs?"(17) Bromide was used to
suppress women's sex drive in the 1950s.

Hearing

Potassium bromate, a bread additive, is known to cause renal damage and
permanent deafness in animals and man. (18) In the FIRE project, the most
relevant effect on exposing rats to 28 days to the brominated flame
retardant compound, tetrabromobisphenol-A, was hearing. Specifically, the
lower frequency range was affected . (19)

Kidneys

The ability of bromate to cause cancer, especially kidney cancer, is a
significant health concern. (20) The gene expression in kidneys in rats given
a high dose 100-week potassium bromate in their drinking water showed
marked gene expression difference from the lower non-cancer dose. The
high dose kidney gene expression resembled an adenoma-like expression
pattern. (21)

[jdp710]

Hey Lukso,

I use the 2% lugol's. I'll use between 1 dropperful (about 20 drops) - 3 dropperful (about 60 drops). I'll apply it at night and then in the morning, when you wash your hair, the brownish stain is gone. I've never had a problem with it staining my scalp or hair. I also won't apply it more than once per week.

I originally had the idea from a Heloise trick and found out that it's used in poorer parts of the world for hair loss applied topically. Here is a quote and why I wouldn't recommend more than once per week

"A daily application of white iodine on your fingernails for one week will help strengthen them. After the first week, use ONLY once a week. This is not a case of more is better -- DO NOT continue to use white iodine on your fingernails every day, or they will become too brittle. It might take several weeks to see any improvement if your nails are paper-thin from using a primer on them (for acrylics) or from being roughed up so the nail products would adhere better."

Recently, I've just changed from Lugol's to Nascent iodine. It's about 350% more expensive http://www.thyroidnascentiodine.com/

The reason why I've changed is because of this quote "Iodide has to be converted back to the nascent form in order to produce T3 and T4"

Interestingly, I had some pretty severe detox when taking this Nascent iodine at the full dosage right away which is "very interesting" considering how long I've taken Lugol's for. I know it's bromide as bromide will give you hundreds of tiny pimple like bumps on my face. So far, I'd say this Nascent iodine is much more powerful than regular Lugol's.

[Petch]

How do you know if you get enough Iodine in your diet? and what foods do you find Iodine in?

[CausticSymmetry]

Petch - If you eat a lot of seaweed that is one way to get a healthy amount of iodine in the diet.

[jdp710]

CausticSymmetry,

How much lugol's do you take per day?

Thanks

[CausticSymmetry]

jdp710 - I'm pretty casual about my iodine intake. On most days I'll squirt 6 to 8 drops indiscriminately in my water. Sometimes more. On some days I'll forget and not take any at all. Over all I'm averaging close to 50 milligrams per day.

[CausticSymmetry]

Forgot to mention, I use the 5% variety.