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Post  teacup on Wed Sep 24, 2014 5:22 am

I've come across multiple complaints from people taking MSM.. i like the idea of sulfur, but i dont want to make my sleep worse. You dont recommend it in your regiment...

so what's your verdict on MSM?
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:23 am

teacup wrote:I've come across multiple complaints from people taking MSM.. i like the idea of sulfur, but i dont want to make my sleep worse. You dont recommend it in your regiment...

so what's your verdict on MSM?  

I do recommend it. However, lots of important details usually get left out.

Most people do not take enough. Another is many do not take it with enough water.
They take it in capsule for pill form, which renders it less effective. And they take a brand
that has hidden or known fillers. It should be taken well enough before bed so that it does not increase
too much energy (however, if you take the 2nd dose must before bed, it will be okay).

Sulfur is missing in the food supply. Without it we do not exist.

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Post  teacup on Wed Sep 24, 2014 6:54 am

is there a risk of heavy metals being present in MSM supplements?
dont we get enough S from protein?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Sep 24, 2014 11:39 am

teacup wrote:is there a risk of heavy metals being present in MSM supplements?
dont we get enough S from protein?

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I doubt it. However, if it's a clean source then no.

Sulfur binds to heavy metals by creating a covalent, disulphide bond that doesn't let go.
Generally many chronic diseases result from a lack of sulfur. We can "thank" Monsanto
for destroying the plants with glyphosate. Even before that, chemical nitrogen, phosphorous potassium fertilizers
destroyed the sulfur cycle.



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Post  teacup on Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:36 pm

thank you.

What are the top 3 supplements you would recommend for Sulfur?

What are the better foods that contain healthful Sulfur? (i dont eat oinions or garlic)
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Post  Beebrox on Thu Sep 25, 2014 4:23 am

I wonder the same. One thing is sure, MSM is the most concentrated form of sulfur there is (1/3). The others are worthy, but also more costly. I guess with ALA you get really cool blood lowering effect along with chelation and glutathione boost, then there is a taurine, NAC, cystine, methionine, DMSO;  indirectly also chlorella and cilantro are sulfur rich foods among the garlic/onions. All have very specific roles in the body. It goes to targeting what you specifically want, beside getting all in with one / let the body decide what's for, using MSM. I sort of get it this way. The idea behind sulphur is hydration, oxigenation, detox and repair. I tried several, and like taurine the most.

Beside the quality, and taking it right way, i guess methylation blockages are worth looking into, while supplementing MSM. I take methylfolate once a week or more. I am not entirely sure yet, there is really no-side effects from taking enormous amounts of MSM. Headaches, stiff nose and light-headness were the symptoms i experienced, but they came and went in a few weeks.


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Post  teacup on Thu Oct 09, 2014 4:41 am

Thank you Beebrox

MSM seems to have many beneficial effects and we are all deficient in sulfur.

CS,
What brand/source of pure MSM powder would you recommend?

I want to start taking this and up the dose to 2 tea spoons. At these levels should I take anything else with it? Molybdenum? copper?

I am already taking selenomethionine, zinc, vitamin C daily.

thank you!  cheers



Edit: from CS's regimen page, this is the MSM supplement he recommends: http://www.iherb.com/MRM-MSM-Crystals-200-g/41347?=hil335


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Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:23 am

I think MSM by itself is actually useless.

It must be taken with vitamin C and , in my opinion, TMG.

What if a person has a poorly functiong methylation cycle ? Does that matter if you take MSM, or not at all ?

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Post  teacup on Thu Oct 09, 2014 5:57 am

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:I think MSM by itself is actually useless.

It must be taken with vitamin C and , in my opinion, TMG.

What if a person has a poorly functiong methylation cycle ? Does that matter if you take MSM, or not at all ?


How does one know if they have a methylation issue/blockages? or how to supplement for it?
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Oct 09, 2014 6:06 am

A lot of my regimen contains sulfur compounds and if they are not sulfur compounds, they at the very least improve the transport of sulfur in the body.

Without sulfur we are dead. life cannot exist without it.

To answer the question about methylation, it can be a bit bewildering because there is a lot of misinformation about methylation to begin with.

For example, if someone has a MTHFR C677T mutation and/or A1298C SNP, it does not automatically mean anything (undermethylation) because, the other SNP's could still add up all together an over methylation situation.

So the best way to figure this out objectively is either (trial and error), see how well or bad you feel on a methyl-B12/Methylfolate supplement.

Or for objectivity without supplementation, one could run a histamine test (if elevated), you'll know you have a methylation problem (and will benefit from supplementation).




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Post  teacup on Thu Oct 09, 2014 7:04 am

CausticSymmetry wrote: you'll know you have a methylation problem (and will benefit from supplementation).


Supplement for it with what? B vitamins?
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Re: CS: Bottom line on MSM?

Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:07 am

MSM is totally useless, even if taken with vitamin c, or with molybdenum, as it is meant to be taken.

A far better solution is

vitamin c
lysine
proline
b6

maybe glycine too, may not be necessary.


Much better than MSM.

I think a sulfur deficiency is very hard to identify.


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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:21 am

iuyyighghghgkh - 100 years of nutritional biochemistry really suggest otherwise.

The problem with MSM (a source of sulfur) is that most forms of MSM do not work as well as they should due to additives. All of the sulfur based amino acids are used to produce glutathione and oxygen. Since sulfur is deficient in the soils from the use of modern agriculture methods, it can no longer be assumed that sulfur needs are met. In fact, all cancers, heart disease risks are increased under sulfur deficient conditions.


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Post  DynamoJohn on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:10 am

CS, do you think there is a risk for copper deficiency when taking the amount of MSM you recommend? Especially with vitamin C, as both are antagonistic to copper. I like the idea of these supplements but wonder if they won´t cause a copper deficiency over the long term.

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Post  Shinobi on Thu Dec 18, 2014 7:16 am

CS is right about sulfur. The more i study at the cells level, the more I uderstand the importance to get feed in methyl donor. If we dont, the cell funtion is bad and some bad mutation can happen (cancer and age faster). But we should differenciate the methylation at the mitochondria level and the methylation at the nucleus one wich are clearly opposite

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Dec 18, 2014 8:18 am

DynamoJohn wrote:CS, do you think there is a risk for copper deficiency when taking the amount of MSM you recommend? Especially with vitamin C, as both are antagonistic to copper. I like the idea of these supplements but wonder if they won´t cause a copper deficiency over the long term.

Sulfur is for lack of a better word, a master mineral (similar to another one, magnesium) in the regard that it helps assimilate/absorb/utilize other minerals. So, sulfur will improve the way copper and other minerals will be absorbed or assimilated.

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Re: CS: Bottom line on MSM?

Post  Delphine on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:14 pm



This is an ET from the future advising us about MSM/C.  Very Happy  I'm glad I came upon this thread because I realized I need to
get back on it. The healing info in the video starts a little after 4 min.
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Post  Delphine on Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:56 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
DynamoJohn wrote:CS, do you think there is a risk for copper deficiency when taking the amount of MSM you recommend? Especially with vitamin C, as both are antagonistic to copper. I like the idea of these supplements but wonder if they won´t cause a copper deficiency over the long term.

Sulfur is for lack of a better word, a master mineral (similar to another one, magnesium) in the regard that it helps assimilate/absorb/utilize other minerals. So, sulfur will improve the way copper and other minerals will be absorbed or assimilated.

In the video I posted, Bashar (ET from the future) was emphasizing the detoxing aspect of MSM combined with C. He makes a very good point that we can be taking supplements,
eating right etc., but if we are loaded with toxins, the good stuff can't get to the cells.

Hr recommends taking it several times a day. I think we can be flexible with that. And probably best to work up to the high doses.
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Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:53 am

Purely for hair loss and regrowth, I don't reccomend it at all.


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Post  Delphine on Fri Dec 19, 2014 2:56 pm

iuyyighghghgkh wrote:Purely for hair loss and regrowth, I don't reccomend it at all.


It works for most people.  David Wolfe wolfs it down.

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Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Sat Dec 20, 2014 2:48 am

Delphine wrote:
iuyyighghghgkh wrote:Purely for hair loss and regrowth, I don't reccomend it at all.


It works for most people.  David Wolfe wolfs it down.


he doesn't anymore

he reccomends TMG instead, although he may use both.

http://www.thelongevitynowconference.com/dvd-fall2011/David-Wolfe-The-Natural-Approach-1.pdf

but he also says cocoa bean gel, which no one has ever used to my knowledge, cures baldness. maybe ther is someone out there who has. how difficult would it be to google cacao bean bark gel and arrive on immortalhair and post about it. no one has.



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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Dec 20, 2014 5:01 am

It can be difficult for resist to make blanket statements about "X" being useless and "Y" being effective. We are all different, and to make matters more complicated, the quality of the ingredient, and the time invested do make a big difference.

For example, I first experimented with MSM in tablets in the late 1990's for several months, to no noticeable effect. However, I've been closely connected to patients for a long time. One of the most interesting anecdotes over and over again was the virtual "religious" like worship over MSM. I thought why? I never had this amazing effect. Several years, later I to started to investigate or at least try to understand what "the big deal" was.

I learned two things. #1 many people are seriously deficient in sulfur, so many those who receive remarkable benefits were probably lacking in sulfur. For me, I've been able to manage a relatively high consumption of sulfur based amino acids in my diet; therefore no real obvious effect was noticeable for me. #2 sulfur in the form of MSM is highly sensitive to any additives and virtually all brands with some exceptions contain hidden additives.

Also, a final point. The dose and the quality of MSM also matters. Given enough time, even in those who do not notice a difference physically like myself, it will boost your hair quality if given the proper dose and given enough time.
This has to be a form of MSM that is crystal or powder only with zero additives.



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Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Sat Dec 20, 2014 8:12 am

re-title this to

David Wolfe rambles while coked up


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Post  Delphine on Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:21 am



I think you are right CS that only a high quality powder will do when it comes to MSM. I do a tablespoon at a time, with vitamin C. Tablespoon of MSM to a tsp. of C.
Erg, the taste. Smile Worth it though! One thing I learned is to look for the ones with the "Opti-MSM" label.
http://www.vitabase.com/articles/joint-bone-health/optimsm-highest-quality.aspx

I use Jarrow MSM, it has that label. It does say it contains trace amounts of silicon dioxide (anti-caking agent).

Karl Loren's site is supposed to be a good source for MSM also.
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Dec 24, 2014 7:47 am

Delphine wrote:

I think you are right CS that only a high quality powder will do when it comes to MSM.  I do a tablespoon at a time, with vitamin C.  Tablespoon of MSM to a tsp. of C.
Erg, the taste. Smile  Worth it though!  One thing I learned is to look for the ones with the "Opti-MSM" label.  
http://www.vitabase.com/articles/joint-bone-health/optimsm-highest-quality.aspx

I use Jarrow MSM, it has that label.  It does say it contains trace amounts of silicon dioxide (anti-caking agent).

Karl Loren's site is supposed to be a good source for MSM also.

I avoid the Opti-MSM form due to the trace amounts of silicon dioxide. It unfortunately reduces bio-availability substantially and it reduces the ability to dissolve scar tissue.

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