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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  hadrion on Sat Apr 18, 2015 2:40 am

Absolutely. I know CS, in the past, is generally less concerned about high cholesterol numbers than the medical community. Upping your Krill intake could help.

I'm also curious if cardio might help you. I had sworn it off in all forms and just focused on resistance training and I kept getting larger (not fatter). My back, chest and shoulders were making a XXL tight and my abs got so thick they began to push out under my breast bone. This was causing reflux for a spell. All the heavy power deadlifts and squats at the level I was at just thickened my mid-section in a way I wasn't thrilled with.

I bought a Cybex Arc Trainer used off of Craigslist and I do sprints on it a few times a week. Once in awhile I'll do a long 45 minute session if I'm in the mood for it. This has helped me shrink from that mass I had put on. It got to be too much and it was literally taking me too long in the gym to get through a workout because all I was doing was taking 45lb plates on and off the bar. I was squatting 385lb for 5 reps and taking 5-6 minutes between sets and the gym I belonged to pulled me aside and told me I was monopolizing the power rack to an excessive degree. And I was. I bought a power rack at home and do it there now. Instead of trying to set personal records with each session I focus on form with lighter weights. Like doing my squats with 225lb instead of 385lb.

I think the one thing I learned was I was eating too many calories and the lifting left me ravenous. That's why the muscle mass was pouring on. Too many calories could cause an elevation in what you're seeing. I do a lot of IF, keep my carbs low with the exception of the one big meal a day I eat. I feel a lot better this way. Sometimes the cholesterol/triglycerides reading can come from excessive carb/sugar. You may not think you're eating them, but it's worth charting the week of what you put into your body to get a handle on it. I know a lot of people who have gone Keto/Paleo/Low Carb and have wiped out their cholesterol issues. That said, they can elevate at first when you go that route while your body is adjusting to the lack of carbs. It's such an individual game it's hard to give advice.

Sleeping and water consumption are two of the more important things I needed to get right to begin to get right. Then getting diet straight. While I don't avoid gluten or grains 100%, I rarely consume them. Maybe 1 meal a week. I use protein/fat to keep me satiated when hunger hits and then try to eat a big meal that leans protein heavy with low glycemic carbs and fat mixed in. It's been working okay for me. The biggest lesson is listening to your body when you satisfy hunger and stopping eating there.

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  NYJets on Sat Apr 18, 2015 7:45 am

Nice post Hadrion.

I've seen that a sleep delay disorder seems somewhat common among HL sufferers. I too played the 2-3 fall asleep wake by 7:30 game for many years and it burned me out like no other. This sleep delay disorder is going to get the best of me. No matter what, I cannot fix it. It's making me re-think all of my life plans, not an ideal thing to have to deal with. Even if I force myself up I cannot function (brain fog/fatigue) I tried re setting my sleep schedule time and time again to no avail. The only thing that helps is smoking a lot of high quality indica cannabis and sometimes that doesn't even work and I'd like to not have to do that and I haven't been.

I guess my question is; Why the fuck do we fight sleep? Seems like a form of self sabotage.
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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sat Apr 18, 2015 11:19 am

Ok... I took my resting temperature as soon as I woke up this morning (had the thermometer beside the bed for when I awoke) and the temperature came out to be 97.376 deg F ( 36.32 deg C ). I took the temp as as soon as my eyes opened basically and still lying down.

Hadrion - You and I are similar I feel... I love the weights and love getting more muscular. I hate cardio and do not do it. My workouts involve HST principles now with myo-reps, so there is a slight cardio component with the weight training that I do being that rests are kept way down to about 5 deep breaths and then next set etc. I am at about 205lbs now with a 49" chest/back measurement. I got right up to 220lbs with a 50" chest/back measurement for a while there, but wife was not happy with that size and I was carrying a bit of body fat then too. I did a lot of intermittent fasting and the weight peeled right off. Even with losing the weight, I still did not do cardio. You are correct though, I should try and do cardio (HIIT style) once or twice a week, even if it is just for heart health. After seeing my testosterone level being so low, I am surprised that I have added the muscle I added. I feel like I was at a big disadvantage. I am keen to get my testosterone up to normal levels (not artificially inflated) and see what happens with training results.

NY Jets - I agree... Fighting sleep is silly. I know I do it and just do not know why. I have read that getting to bed at about 10:30pm is optimal for us, so I am working on that. A while back, CS shared some research on elevated bed therapy (where you elevate the head end of your bed 4-6") and I am trying that. Most nights, I feel that I sleep better and have dreams. In the mornings I wake feeling fresher. I still have some nights where my sleep seems light and I wake up a lot, but this is not so often now.

SO... In my situation, how does this sound for fixing the high cholesterol, high triglycerides and low testosterone;

Cholesterol and Triglycerides
High dose Krill Oil - 3-4g a day
Psyllium Husk powder ( for the fiber component )
Niacin ( it seems that full flush is most effective ) ?

Testosterone
Tocomin ( Vitamin E ) - I linked a study in this thread
Nigella Sativa - Not sure about this one, but CS seemed to refer to it?

Fatty Liver
Choline
Berberine

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 8:49 am

Bump...

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 2:19 pm

I took my temperature again this morning and here it is -

97.43 degF (36.35 degC)

One hour after getting out of bed and after some breakfast - 97.77degF (36.54 degC)

Before lunch - 97.66 degF (36.48 deg C)
After lunch I took three readings - 97.50 degF (36.39 degC), 98.15 degF (36.75 degC) and 97.79 degF (36.55 degC).

Any thoughts? Thanks.

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 9:58 pm

And bump again...

Can anyone provide any suggestions?

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:41 pm

Renky wrote:And bump again...

Can anyone provide any suggestions?

thoughts on what ?

those temperatures are acceptable

how did you feel, most importantly

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 10:57 pm

From what I have been reading, the temps are a little on the low side... Not major, but they seem to be outside the ranges.

I was also hoping to get some clear information on what is the best supplements to lower cholesterol and triglycerides and raise testosterone.

According to a Pathologist, my ALT and Ferritin levels are quite high.

I have searched and searched the forums and any similar topics just seem to stop dead without any form of a resolution or clear direction...

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  iuyyighghghgkh on Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:08 pm

Renky wrote:From what I have been reading, the temps are a little on the low side... Not major, but they seem to be outside the ranges.

I was also hoping to get some clear information on what is the best supplements to lower cholesterol and triglycerides and raise testosterone.

According to a Pathologist, my ALT and Ferritin levels are quite high.

I have searched and searched the forums and any similar topics just seem to stop dead without any form of a resolution or clear direction...

lower cholesterol - niacin, proline powder, coconut oil/ butter
raise testosterone - b6 and zinc
give blood to reduce ferritin

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:11 pm

Many Thanks!!

With the Niacin, do I get niacinide or the full flush?

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:25 pm

Also, what do I take for a fatty liver and adrenal fatigue?

I do have a pretty good diet, so please know that I am not just after "miracle supplements" to solve all my woes...

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Sun Apr 19, 2015 11:44 pm

In summary, it looks like I need supplements to do the following;

Lower cholesterol
Lower triglycerides
Lower Lipids
Raise testosterone
Fix fatty liver

Thanks.



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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  stresssucks on Mon Apr 20, 2015 1:27 am

Again, I think you're looking for a magic pill to fix your problems. In my opinion that's not the way to go about it. Work on diet and lifestyle factors such as sleep.

Not saying pills are useless, they obviously are good in a lot of cases. But if you are doing unhealthy things I don't think they will fix you. At least not as effectively as diet and lifestyle changes.

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Post  stresssucks on Mon Apr 20, 2015 2:49 am

Renky wrote:I took my temperature again this morning and here it is -

97.43 degF (36.35 degC)

One hour after getting out of bed and after some breakfast - 97.77degF (36.54 degC)

Before lunch - 97.66 degF (36.48 deg C)
After lunch I took three readings - 97.50 degF (36.39 degC), 98.15 degF (36.75 degC) and 97.79 degF (36.55 degC).

Any thoughts? Thanks.

I'm not a doctor, but in my opinion those temps are much too low. I'm surprised your TSH is only 1.2 with those temps. Are you leaving the thermometer under your tongue long enough? It's oral temp right? Sometimes it takes a long time for the thermometer to get up to the right temp.

I think a well functioning thyroid has oral temp of 98.6 - 99+ in the afternoon.

Low thyroid can be a huge factor in high cholesterol. That's the avenue I would pursue now. Maybe there is a thyroid specialist doc around you.

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Post  The Hulk on Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:48 am

The scary thing about my situation is that I am already on a pretty good diet, I exercise regularly (bodybuilding) and my body fat is quite good.

I am working on getting better sleep (aiming to get in bed by about 10:30pm each night), I am adding higher fiber content to my diet and am looking at more cardio. I would not say that I am a very stressed out person?

Other than that, I am not sure what else I can do... This is why I am looking so hard at the supplement route. I feel that my issue is genetic related, so I need to pick up the short fall somewhere here.

I think these are the main issues I need to address;

Lower cholesterol
Lower triglycerides
Lower Lipids
Raise testosterone
Fix fatty liver



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Post  The Hulk on Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:49 am

With taking the temperatures, I use an oral digital thermometer and use keep it in place until it beeps.

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Post  4039 on Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:33 am

Renky wrote:The scary thing about my situation is that I am already on a pretty good diet, I exercise regularly (bodybuilding) and my body fat is quite good.

I am working on getting better sleep (aiming to get in bed by about 10:30pm each night), I am adding higher fiber content to my diet and am looking at more cardio. I would not say that I am a very stressed out person?

Other than that, I am not sure what else I can do... This is why I am looking so hard at the supplement route. I feel that my issue is genetic related, so I need to pick up the short fall somewhere here.

I think these are the main issues I need to address;

Lower cholesterol
Lower triglycerides
Lower Lipids
Raise testosterone
Fix fatty liver



All of these can be tackled with building up to gradual heavy exercise (HIIT,) soy lecithin (3tbl daily,) omega-3 fish oil, astaxanthin. For the stress, look into grounding/earthing.

Statin drugs are poisonous to the totality of our cellular structure.

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Mon Apr 20, 2015 8:57 am

Thanks for your post and comments. Much appreciated!

With exercise, I feel I already work out a lot ( 4 days a week - full body ). I am considering adding 1 or 2 days cardio though.

With the fish oil, I already take 500g of Krill, but my Doctor said that if I am going this route I would need to up the dosage to 3-4g. Kind of expensive, so what is the cheapest form but reasonable quality?

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Post  4039 on Mon Apr 20, 2015 9:20 am

Look into HIIT, it's like cardio on steroids. With intense exercise less is more, quality vs quantity. I workout a combined 2 hours a week and sustain a pretty big size. Give yourself plenty of rest.

I like krill, but it's too expensive. Instead you could take omega-3, soy lecthin and astaxanthin for likely the identical results.

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Post  The Hulk on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:13 am

Thanks again!

The more I look at my situation, I think I also need to repair my adrenals, fix how my liver operates and optimize my thyroid. Would it be fair to say that adrenals, liver and thyroid all play a part in this for me? I kind of wonder if my liver is the root cause?

With thyroid, I just don't get it... I have been taking iodine for a few years. Early on I was taking a whole dropper (per day) with water, then I backed off to 12 or so drops a day, then I tried 7 drops in the morning and 7 drops in the evening. Now I am taking 7-9 drops just once per day. It seems that with my low body temps, my thyroid is still messed up? What do I do? More iodine than what I am taking? Another supplement? With my diet, I stay away from junk food mostly and as I keep saying, I exercise a lot.

With my liver, I have looked on the internet and looked through the threads on this forum. I am not sure I have come to any conclusions. There were some threads that I thought were going to point me in the right direction, but then all of a sudden the discussion stopped and no more comments were made.

I am in emergency mode at the moment... I have 6-8 weeks to start getting things fixed up with my system as the Doctor wants me to get more blood work done. If I get similar results to this last lot, the Doctor and my family are all going to really amp up the pressure on me to get on to Statins and all that garbage. I married into a family with 2 Doctors, a Physical Therapist and a Nurse. Most of them already think I am a crackpot with my "alternative medicine" approach.

I need to try something more than just the IH regimen to get these numbers going down and fast.

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Post  The Hulk on Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:17 am

I spoke to some other people and here are some further interpretations of my blood test results;


1. Your chloride levels are low. This can mean many things but usually suggests you do not produce enough stomach acid, so digestion is probably not optimal and can cause all kinds of issues with your blood work. Ask your doctor about this.

2. Your albumin is a little high. This could mean dehydration, high protein diet with not enough carbs for balance, or both. Ask your doctor about that as well.

3. Some of your liver enzymes deserve attention. Your ALT is elevated and it is a liver-specific enzyme, sometimes elevated by overtraining. GGT is borderline. I'd definitely ask the doctor about those b/c suboptimal liver function can wreak havoc with cholesterol and testosterone.



Triglycerides are your liver's attempt to muster energy under exertion. It is fueled by ephiprene and high CNS activity.

It happens when your basal metabolic rate cannot sustain your energy demands. Tryglycerides are a compensatory form of energy when the liver cannot maintain glycogen and the thyroid cannot maintain downstream steroid synthesis.

High cholesterol is in my opinion down to poor adrenal - preg - thyroid conversions downstream.

High ephiprene will also cause sluggish digestion as it is the fight or flight hormone and digestion is not an immediate life saving activity.

If cholesterol and triglycerides cannot gain entry into adrenal mitochondria they will make the liver toxic.

It's simple if you think about it.

What source of energy is the liver showing signs of increasing. If it's increasing triglycerides and cholesterol, there is a supply and demand issue. It will be toxin back-loading the liver. It is an adrenaline/glycogen, adrenal mitochondria, and/or thyroid steroid synthesis issue.

High trigylceride is simply higher energy demand than your glands can break down into protective hormones.



I kind of see what these people are saying, but I am no medic or scientist. I need more of a try this and see how it goes approach.

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Post  takingaction on Sun May 03, 2015 5:42 am

I think people in the thread haven't focused enough on the high ferritin. I hope the doctor is looking into hemochromatosis, probably from a long-term high-protein diet on top of a genetic tendency. Hemochromatosis could cause most or all of the strange blood test results. Diffuse hair loss, too.

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Post  The Hulk on Fri Sep 04, 2015 10:59 pm

I just received the results from my latest blood tests today. As a refresher, this is what they were in April 2015;

Chemistry (serum)

Sodium - 140 mmol/L ( Reference range - 135 - 145 )
Potassium - 4.7 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.5 - 5.5 )
Chloride - 103 mmol/L ( Reference range - 135 - 145 )
Bicarbonate - 26 mmol/L ( Reference range - 20 - 32 )
Anion Gap - 11 mmol/L ( Reference range - 5 - 15 )

Ca (corr) - 2.46 mmol/L ( Reference range - 2.10 - 2.55 )
Phosphate - 1.2 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.8 - 1.5 )

Urea - 7.2 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.0 - 8.0 )
Urate - 0.37 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.20 - 0.50 )
Creatinine - 81 umol/L ( Reference range - 60 - 110 )
eGFR - >90 ( Reference Range - >59 )

Fast Glucose - 5.2 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.6 - 6.0 )

Total Protein - 79 g/L ( Reference Range - 66 - 83 )
Albumin - 51 gL ( Reference Range - 39 - 50 )
Globulin - 28 g/L ( Reference Range - 20 - 39 )
T Bilirubin - 11 umol/L ( Reference range - 4 - 20 )
ALP - 78 U/L ( Reference Range - 35 - 110 )
AST - 33 U/L ( Reference Range - 10 - 40 )
ALT - 55 U/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 40 )
GGT - 39 U/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 40 )
LDH - 203 U/L ( Reference Range - 120 - 250 )

Cholesterol - 8.8 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.9 - 5.5 )
Triglyceride - 7.8 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.6 - 2.0 )
HDL - 1.07 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.90 - 1.50 )
LDL - ( Reference range - 0. 0 - 4.0 )
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio - 8.2 ( Reference range - 0. 0 - 4.5 )

Haemolysis Index - 15 ( Reference Range - 0 - 40 )

Comments on Lab - Suggested optimal treatment targets for patients are:
LDL Cholesterol - <2.0 mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol - >1.00 mmol/L
Triglycerides - <1.5 mmol/L

Triglycerides exceed 4.5 mmol/L. This prevents calculation of the LDL cholesterol level.

Measured LDL Cholesterol

Measured LDL Cholesterol - 3.6 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0 - 4.0 )

Comments on Lab - This LDL has been measured directly. A calculated LDL level using the Friedewald equation was not valid for this sample as the triglyceride level was >4.5 mmol/L

Androgens

Testosterone - 7.6 nmol/L ( Reference Range - 11.0 - 40.0 )

Anaemia Profile

Iron - 22 umol/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 30 )
TIBC - 62 umol/L ( Reference Range - 45 - 72 )
Saturation - 35% ( Reference Range - 20 - 55 )
Ferritin - 242 ug/L ( Reference Range - 25 - 220 )

This is today's (Sept 4th, 2015) results;

Chemistry (serum)

Sodium - 141 mmol/L ( Reference range - 135 - 145 )
Potassium - 4.7 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.5 - 5.5 )
Chloride - 105 mmol/L ( Reference range - 135 - 145 )
Bicarbonate - 22 mmol/L ( Reference range - 20 - 32 )
Anion Gap - 14 mmol/L ( Reference range - 5 - 15 )

Ca (corr) - 2.41 mmol/L ( Reference range - 2.10 - 2.55 )
Phosphate - 1.1 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.8 - 1.5 )

Urea - 5.5 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.0 - 8.0 )
Urate - 0.37 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.20 - 0.50 )
Creatinine - 72 umol/L ( Reference range - 60 - 110 )
eGFR - >90 ( Reference Range - >59 )

Fast Glucose - 5.6 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.6 - 6.0 )

Total Protein - 77 g/L ( Reference Range - 66 - 83 )
Albumin - 47 gL ( Reference Range - 39 - 50 )
Globulin - 30 g/L ( Reference Range - 20 - 39 )
T Bilirubin - 10 umol/L ( Reference range - 4 - 20 )
ALP - 66 U/L ( Reference Range - 35 - 110 )
AST - 37 U/L ( Reference Range - 10 - 40 )
ALT - 53 U/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 40 )
GGT - 30 U/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 40 )
LDH - 186 U/L ( Reference Range - 120 - 250 )

Cholesterol - 7.4 mmol/L ( Reference range - 3.9 - 5.5 )
Triglyceride - 5.0 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.6 - 2.0 )
HDL - 0.91 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0.90 - 1.50 )
Measured LDL - 3.7 mmol/L ( Reference range - 0. 0 - 4.0 )
Cholesterol/HDL Ratio - 8.1 ( Reference range - 0. 0 - 4.5 )

Comments on Lab - Suggested optimal treatment targets for patients are:
LDL Cholesterol - <2.0 mmol/L
HDL Cholesterol - >1.00 mmol/L
Triglycerides - <1.5 mmol/L

Androgens

Testosterone - 9.0 nmol/L ( Reference Range - 11.0 - 40.0 )

Anaemia Profile

Iron - 22 umol/L ( Reference Range - 5 - 30 )
Transferrin - 2.3 g/L ( Reference Range - 1.9 - 3.1 )
Haemolysis Index - 7 ( Reference Range - 0 - 40 )
TIBC - 57 umol/L ( Reference Range - 45 - 72 )
Trans Saturation - 39% ( Reference Range - 20 - 55 )
Ferritin - 287 ug/L ( Reference Range - 25 - 220 )

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Re: Blood Test Results - Serious Issues

Post  The Hulk on Fri Sep 04, 2015 11:01 pm

The numbers seem to be improving, but I have to keep working on it.

I have been taking Choline, for the liver.

I have been taking Taurine (4g) each night

I have been also taking 4g of Fish Oil (Doc insisted) capsules per day, but will be increasing dose up to 6-8g a day as per Doc's recommendations

I have been taking IP6 and milk thistle to ditch the excess iron

I have also been cutting back body fat and am now down to about 14%-15% bodyfat

What else can I be doing and what do people think of my latest results?

THANKS in advance!

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Post  takingaction on Sat Sep 05, 2015 11:39 am

They're bad. There has only been slight improvement in some worrisome areas I noticed and the ferritin now is even further out of range. I don't understand you and your doctor - a diagnosis should be underway, because the test results continue to be "serious." Long-term those levels can damage body parts and might even be fatal if never corrected. Again I suggest starting with the possibility that you have hemochromatosis, which I believe is easy to treat.

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