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Re: Success/Farewell/Parting Advice (Very Long Post)

Post  johndoe1225 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 2:07 pm

cdto2012 wrote:As for oils slowing the healing of skin wounds,  I will say that it was a personal observation when I was doing enzyme treatments or had any other treatment that resulted in small scabs on the scalp. The oils soften the scab to the point of falling off too soon,  or disturbing the healing process so the wound healing was delayed for weeks sometimes.  I had to stop using oils until the wounds were healed.

I know that with DR, you are not supposed to penetrate to the level of  piercing the lower blood vessels and have visibe bleeding,  but the small capillaries that supply the outer skin are still wounded and have to heal. There are some recommended oils for healing occasional wounds like teatree etc,  but healing is a very complex chemical process. Oils can reduce oxygenation, add  natural chemicals,  and have effects on the healing process.  With that said,  I do use light oils with DT-CPR , and coconut oil that I clean off after an hour.  It is fresh puncture wounds that concerns me.  I agree with you that this is just general guidance,  not a scientific rule, as I put minoxidil on my needling punctures and got some regrow from the process. I think that after a few days after the DR the oils are probably fine.
  There is not much published on constantly rewounding the skin every few days.  Here is an article that shows how the fish oil anti inflammatory properties were changing the chemical reaction of the healing.

" SCIENTISTS SUSPECT OMEGA-3 FATTY ACIDS COULD SLOW ACUTE WOUND HEALING "
http://researchnews.osu.edu/archive/pufawounds.htm


This article about the benefits of olive oil orally help heal wounds,  but says
"  When it comes to wound healing, the first thing to know about olive oil is that it should not be directly applied to the affected area. As the University of Maryland Medical Center notes, you should never apply oil, ice or butter to the site – despite old wives’ tales – even if it is a first-degree burn that you choose to care for at home. Instead, olive oil can benefit the body during the recovery body through ingestion. "
http://www.advancedtissue.com/wound-healing-nutritional-advantages-olive-oil/

Gosh so much information to take in with all of this Neutral

So, I wonder...cd, what do you think a good routine for me would be if I used a 0.25mm DR?  Or should I stick to my boar bristle brush smacking method?  How long, how often, how hard, etc.?  I'm still doing your vitamin bottle method of course, that's my main thing.

I could stick to my brush method but I was just curious about how the DR feels in comparison, so I wanted to try.

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Re: Success/Farewell/Parting Advice (Very Long Post)

Post  cdto2012 on Wed Oct 12, 2016 4:06 pm

I started DT-CPR because it reminded me of the same soreness I would get when I needled and had limited success. Mostly I do not recommend them together. You need 3-4 days to recover from the punctures, and should not do DT-CPR during these days. I think DT-CPR does similar treatment and penetrates deeper, and moves fluids around better.

Mostly for me needling does not have much of a following for a really effective regrow treatment after 20 years of being out. I am sure there are followers of it on other forums, but it does not seem to be on the super effective list.

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Post  shanshimbo on Wed Oct 12, 2016 11:46 pm

Hi cd,

thanks for the response.

You stated "As for oils slowing the healing of skin wounds, I will say that it was a personal observation when I was doing enzyme treatments or had any other treatment that resulted in small scabs on the scalp. The oils soften the scab to the point of falling off too soon, or disturbing the healing process so the wound healing was delayed for weeks sometimes. I had to stop using oils until the wounds were healed. ".

I agree with this statement. if you get a scab and somehow you soften it, either by using oils or ointment or by using bandaid that softens it, and you remove the scab, this will definitely interrupt the healing process. The scab's purpose is to seal the wound and begin the healing to create a scar. but the oils are not at fault here because after scab formation, you cannot put anything on top of the scab to make it penetrate the skin to go inside.


Your second message about Wound healing using olive oil. the article talks about not using olive oil topically on burns. it does not say anywhere not using it for other type of injuries (like cut, scrapes e.t.c.). I think i agree with that article that not to use olive oil on burns, because risk of infection is too great.


I think i try out the process i laid out in my previous message using .5 mm DR. Let's see how it does. I have some fuzz on the hairline but it is too slow for me. i think by using DR i can improve the penetration of the oils.

I will be doing DR 3 times a week. but do you guys think i should do DT-CPR on the other days?

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Post  johndoe1225 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 2:49 am

Huh, alright thanks cd, guess I'll just stick to my brush method then.

EDIT:  Sorry, I forgot to ask, cd;

Since you mention the oils inhibiting the healing response, is it still ok to use whatever topical I'm using shortly after my DT-CPR session?  I know it doesn't break the skin or anything like DR does, but still.  How do you time your topicals?  You said you use some sort of caffeine topical, right?  Was it like coconut oil and green tea or something like that?

My current routine is (more or less) 30 minutes to 1 hour (more like 45 minutes) of DT-CPR in the morning (still on the standard vitamin bottle method), then applying avocado oil through my hair (not my scalp, although I'm sure lots of it ends up on my scalp anyway), followed by applying my main topical (which at the moment is coconut oil, green tea leaves, and a bunch of crushed garlic) after about an hour or two, followed by another DT-CPR session (much shorter though, maybe 10-20 minutes) in the evening.

I'm trying to work in my boar bristle brush tapping method in there somewhere too.

Oh, also I'm trying to work that giner, rosemary and lavender water based tea spray in too.

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Post  cdto2012 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 9:57 am

For DT-CPR I use cinnamon oil when pressing. Anytime I use the coconut oil with green tea in it. Pressing does not produce an open surface wound. I clean off the coconut oil with vodka an hour later.

There is plenty online about using oils to help heal wounds, but usually it is with a diluted or plain oil, not a pure concentrate extract. The extracts can be too powerful or irritating. The base plain oils like coconut or olive oil, coating your skin every day can slow down oxygen exchange and clog pores. Basically they can become like having oily skin, and if you have ever seen vegetable oil harden with oxygen exposure over time, it becomes a sticky thick substance.

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Re: Success/Farewell/Parting Advice (Very Long Post)

Post  johndoe1225 on Thu Oct 13, 2016 10:00 am

cdto2012 wrote:For DT-CPR I use cinnamon oil when pressing.  Anytime I use the coconut oil with green tea in it. Pressing does not produce an open surface wound.   I clean off the coconut oil with vodka an hour later.

There is plenty online about using oils to help heal wounds,  but usually it is with a diluted or plain oil,  not a pure concentrate extract.  The extracts can be too powerful or irritating. The base plain oils like coconut or olive oil, coating your skin every day can slow down oxygen exchange and clog pores.  Basically they can become like having oily skin, and if you have ever seen vegetable oil harden with oxygen exposure over time,  it becomes a sticky thick substance.

Thanks!

I personally do my DT dry without oils, I find it easier. I apply my topicals etc. after DT.

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Post  Sage 1 on Sat Dec 03, 2016 5:31 am

This remedy can definitely work, but it lacks key factors.
Mine was almost identical in the beginning, but my first thought was that it lacks nutrients to actually promote new hairs.
So i added fresh cilantro, and new hairs started popping out.

To make the remedy really efficient, i would suggest to add fresh cilantro, rosemary from now and then into it.
Skip the coconut, lavender, castor oils, and just use rose hip oil instead since it penetrates the hair and skin easier, and can be washed out without shampooing.

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Post  newuser on Sat Dec 03, 2016 8:16 am

Sage 1 wrote:This remedy can definitely work, but it lacks key factors.
Mine was almost identical in the beginning, but my first thought was that it lacks nutrients to actually promote new hairs.
So i added fresh cilantro, and new hairs started popping out.

To make the remedy really efficient, i would suggest to add fresh cilantro, rosemary from now and then into it.
Skip the coconut, lavender, castor oils, and just use rose hip oil instead since it penetrates the hair and skin easier, and can be washed out without shampooing.

Great timing on this post Sage, I actually started the topical this week.  The ingredients I'm using are: one green tea bag, castor oil, emu oil and coconut oil.

I left out lavender oil, coconut milk and castile soap. I just use my own shampoo to wash my hair out.  Is it ok to leave these three ingredients out? Are they necessary?

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Post  Schitz Popinov on Sat Dec 03, 2016 11:04 am

Sage 1 wrote:This remedy can definitely work, but it lacks key factors.
Mine was almost identical in the beginning, but my first thought was that it lacks nutrients to actually promote new hairs.
So i added fresh cilantro, and new hairs started popping out.

To make the remedy really efficient, i would suggest to add fresh cilantro, rosemary from now and then into it.
Skip the coconut, lavender, castor oils, and just use rose hip oil instead since it penetrates the hair and skin easier, and can be washed out without shampooing.

@Sage1

What are you thoughts on using concentrated powder forms of the cilantro, rosemary, etc etc and create a paste from those?

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Post  newuser on Wed Dec 07, 2016 1:50 am

Moviejunkie what is the main ingredient that's doing the job? Do you think it's the green tea?

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Post  newuser on Thu Dec 22, 2016 11:47 pm

I'll keep you updated.

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