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Post  tooyoungforthis on Sun Jul 10, 2016 2:37 am

Hi, I'm getting frustrated at the lack of RAW bodybuilding tips on the web.
Anyone have any theories/ideas to bulk up(gain weight).
On a mostly RAW Plant based/fruitarian diet??


No meat,fish,pasta,bread,processed food,nuts or seed.( all highly acidic)
If you think this is a hugely radical and limiting approach then I'll kindly refer you to watch Dr. Robert Morse on you tube.

He is absolutely convinced everything is caused by impaired adrenal glands which in turn cause malfunctioning kidneys to not filter our lymph waste properly. Stagnant lymph in turn causes all sorts of tissue to decay. heck he considers things like diabetes,IBS to be child'splay and a strict 100% raw fruitarian( mostly melons and berries) diet to be the cure for everything and spiritual awakening/enlightenment. This could explain the detumescnece therapy working for some.. since it could improve lymph drainage.

The funny thin is I have tried the diet and experiences the spiritual portion very intensely. so he must be right!
I also see my inflamed lymph nodes reduce in size and hardness every time I consume the exact fruits he says move lymph. (melons and berries, astringent fruits).

Only downside is rapid rapid weight loss..

Anyone know any foods which don't fall in the acidic foods to gain weight? I'm currently eating lots of avocados.

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Post  Hairbeback on Mon Jul 11, 2016 2:37 pm

You have to find out what works for you, I would forget about diets and make a plan to see what your body reacts to so it can maintain and make your health better. Steve Jobs did a fruitian diet and he still died of cancer if I'm not mistaken.

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Post  SonofOdin on Mon Jul 11, 2016 5:43 pm

No, you won't be bulking on a diet like that. Bodybuilding has healthy aspects to it, and also unhealthy aspects. It's been shown that longevity is linked to consuming fewer calories. Perhaps what you're doing now is superior for health. The question you need to ask yourself is can you cheat on your diet to get in those extra calories? Sounds like the answer is no. Well, we all make sacrifices.

I may sound critical of bodybuilding but funny thing is, I chose to continue the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle for myself. Perhaps I may not live quite as long, but for me it makes the time I have on this world more fun, and I feel a lot better about myself because of it.
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Post  cdto2012 on Tue Jul 12, 2016 3:20 am

I am also interested in lymph cleansing. When I started drinking fruit juices I started gaining weight due to the increased calories. I drink probably too much juice a day, up to 5 liters. I eat chicken and cheese so I cannot say I am without protein, but the juices make my body healthy and my workouts high performance.

Check out the links that I composed about lymph cleansing and fructose

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t12088-vitamin-c-body-cleanse?highlight=vitamin+c

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t12060-in-support-of-eating-fructose?highlight=fructose

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Post  john3333 on Wed Aug 17, 2016 11:22 am

Going vegan is great and going raw vegan is extremely beneficial for the hair. But if you're  feeling spiritual, you should just give up. Here's a quote by an expert fruitarian, "Are you 'spiritual' or just carb-deficient?"
Some foods that don't cause acidity:grains,legumes,and starchy vegetables. Everyone, who talks about raw veganism eats cooked grains. Also stop eating avocadoes. Fat will destroy your hair. Eat 801010.

Anyways to answer your question, bodybuilding will kill you. Go to bodybuilding.com and look at the meat addicts eating 300g+ of protein. Going vegan will help you once you find a vegan girlfriend. You'll stop trying to overcompensate for your hairloss by bodybuilding. LLLT will help with the overcompensation problem too. Exercise will help your hair;however, bodybuilding will destroy your hair.
I don't usually leave my home, but today I did and  right now I'm really depressed. There were so many beautiful women out there, but my hair is so terrible. I need to get this under control.
I've been watching these videos to try to cure my loneliness. If anyone has any tips for curing loneliness, please reply

I don't recommend eating like that obviously. It looks like she eats her food really hot. I prefer to eat my food closer to cold than hot. I just found this channel
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGjFdB_roMs
I think I like this channel more. This is genius! This is a good way to relieve stress and psychogenic inflammation.
Edit: I definitely like that second video and her other videos more, but her videos are shorter. cdto2012 was telling me to go to Asia, so maybe I can learn some of the language from these videos before I go to Asia. I wonder if she even likes eating that much food? At least, from what I've seen so far, she's not eating a ton of meat like the first person's video I linked on here. Usually I'd watch Matt Stonie and shoenice and skippy62able and I wouldn't care about their health.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JosXeOWmtg8
I don't think she really eats all that! I'm sure she spits it out(without swallowing). It looks edited. It's okay though. It's possible that she really does eat all that. We can't know for sure. No. She says she does this live too! She probably does eat all of that.
Here's a pic of a vegan bodybuilder for those meat eaters who think its impossible.

I've noticed the korean and american mukbangs have more meat while the japanese mukbangs have more grains
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctz8ih8LPsw
No wonder japanese live longer and have less colon cancer than koreans!
There are lots of vegan mukbang videos out there for you guys to watch.
This is a good vegan mukbang
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3XiR6TgEUk
Corn is a superfood for the hair. This is an antiinflammatory mukbang! Wow! She must be really healthy honestly. Nevermind. I hadn't seen her other videos. She eats fried foods. It's all plantbased though! That's amazing. She'll probably live 10 years more with thicker and longer hair than the others doing this. She's great. I think she's my favorite youtuber who does mukbang. She drinks a lot of heart-healthy juice too!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tVvIb9P7iWw
HOLY SHIT
She's on the rawtill4 diet?! She's going to live to 100+ despite eating oil!
More often you see asians going on vegan diets rather than ketogenic diets because they're smarter.
tooyoungforthis,
This is how you should eat below
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QaTRY-sp6DI
Eat tons of fruit and rice. Nothing will bring your hair back to life than that.
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Post  john3333 on Thu Aug 18, 2016 6:35 am

I got a little off track in that post right there. Sorry.
The point is that you must eat a diet that reduces all cause mortality, which would be one rich in carbohydrates. Avocado and other fat diets won't work.
http://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0055030
http://circ.ahajournals.org/content/133/24/2370
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Post  johndoe1225 on Thu Aug 18, 2016 8:13 am

SonofOdin wrote:No, you won't be bulking on a diet like that. Bodybuilding has healthy aspects to it, and also unhealthy aspects. It's been shown that longevity is linked to consuming fewer calories. Perhaps what you're doing now is superior for health. The question you need to ask yourself is can you cheat on your diet to get in those extra calories? Sounds like the answer is no. Well, we all make sacrifices.

I may sound critical of bodybuilding but funny thing is, I chose to continue the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle for myself. Perhaps I may not live quite as long, but for me it makes the time I have on this world more fun, and I feel a lot better about myself because of it.

Interesting, but really, what is considered "bodybuilding"?  I am quite skinny and am very happy with my appearance, I'd like to get to a point where I just look a bit more "solid", or have a bit more of a V shape, while still being skinny and enjoying the longevity benefits, and not bulking.  I walk a -lot- every day, to the point that I can basically walk any distance without even caring.  I follow the Paleo diet for general health and hair.

I have nothing against bodybuilding, but I just feel that this is a better look for me.

What's your exercise routine like Odin?

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Post  john3333 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:19 am

johndoe1225 wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:No, you won't be bulking on a diet like that. Bodybuilding has healthy aspects to it, and also unhealthy aspects. It's been shown that longevity is linked to consuming fewer calories. Perhaps what you're doing now is superior for health. The question you need to ask yourself is can you cheat on your diet to get in those extra calories? Sounds like the answer is no. Well, we all make sacrifices.

I may sound critical of bodybuilding but funny thing is, I chose to continue the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle for myself. Perhaps I may not live quite as long, but for me it makes the time I have on this world more fun, and I feel a lot better about myself because of it.

Interesting, but really, what is considered "bodybuilding"?  I am quite skinny and am very happy with my appearance, I'd like to get to a point where I just look a bit more "solid", or have a bit more of a V shape, while still being skinny and enjoying the longevity benefits, and not bulking.  I walk a -lot- every day, to the point that I can basically walk any distance without even caring.  I follow the Paleo diet for general health and hair.

I have nothing against bodybuilding, but I just feel that this is a better look for me.

What's your exercise routine like Odin?
Please stop following the Paleo diet. It's extremely dangerous.
Learn about the optimal diet from Dean Ornish
http://engine2diet.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/Dean-Ornish-Mostly-Plants.pdf
Hair Toxins found in meat:
Methionine, leucine, and other amino acids - cause aging of the hair follicle
Neu5gc - found in hair follicle after eating meat
Oxidized fat
Heterocyclic amines
polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons
cholesterol - heart disease
homocysteine
uric acid
heavy metals - in fish
mad cow disease -
antibiotics
hormones
pesticides
transfat - especially high in organic meat`
saturated fat - heart disease
polyunsaturated fat - inflammation
nitrosamines - in cured meats
bacteria
viruses
There's tons of other toxins I missed. Eat low on the food chain to avoid toxins. Toxins become concentrated the higher on the food chain you eat. This is a fact.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biomagnification
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Post  johndoe1225 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:25 am

No thank you.

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Post  john3333 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:33 am

johndoe1225 wrote:No thank you.
Dioxins are the most toxic chemicals known to science.
If you continue on this diet fad, you will lose all your hair before you're 30. You'll be lucky if you aren't put on statins or blood pressure meds by then. You're destroying the planet, your hair, and animals, just for your selfish craving. Read more about how meat causes hairloss here: http://www.ejnet.org/dioxin/#food
It's never too late to start eating healthy and grow back thick and sexy hair.
Anyways, you're going to stay lonely forever if you keep eating meat! The sexiest women are vegans! This is a fact.
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Post  Sage 1 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:39 am

Been thinking for a while regarding our jaw structure.
Of course we cook our meat for easier digestion, but john333 has a point.
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

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Post  john3333 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:45 am

Sage 1 wrote:Been thinking for a while regarding our jaw structure.
Of course we cook our meat for easier digestion, but john333 has a point.
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

This is the power of veganism. Meat is murder of the hair.
I missed a lot of toxins in the first post.
Putrescine
PCBs
Glycotoxins
are others
There's really way too much. This list could go on forever.
It's linked to lots of diseases. Anyone who has studied hair health and diet knows about ApoE and why it's important to not eat meat to prevent alzheimer's.
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Post  johndoe1225 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:01 am

Yeah...I maybe eat red meat once a week and at special occasions, Paleo isn't all about red meat.  I love fish too.  My blood pressure and blood work/general health/looks have never been better in my life since starting Paleo.

I hope your diet works for you but you sure have a bad attitude, and I'm not going to bother discussing diet any further, we might as well argue about religion and politics while we're at it.

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Post  john3333 on Fri Aug 19, 2016 5:08 am

johndoe1225 wrote:Yeah...I maybe eat red meat once a week and at special occasions, Paleo isn't all about red meat.  I love fish too.  My blood pressure and blood work/general health/looks have never been better in my life since starting Paleo.

I hope your diet works for you but you sure have a bad attitude, and I'm not going to bother discussing diet any further, we might as well argue about religion and politics while we're at it.
Fish is also dangerous. It has a lot of the same toxins.
https://youtu.be/vgD3rqttQuY
Cholesterol is dangerous. The people who tell you cholesterol is healthy have no clue what they're talking about. I don't have a bad attitude. I'm trying to help you improve your diet so you can grow back hair and live 30 years longer than your friends. You've ignored all of the science, I've posted which is common for meat eaters. It's hard to grow out of the bias you learned from marksdailyapple.com .
The ketogenic, paleolithic, and peatarian advocates are scary. Atherosclerosis is NOT good. It's been found in the eskimos who ate fish and saturated fat.
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Post  jadegreg on Sun Aug 21, 2016 9:07 pm

Sage 1 wrote:Been thinking for a while regarding our jaw structure.
Of course we cook our meat for easier digestion, but john333 has a point.
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

I know what you are saying. Everything about our teeth, does indeed point more towards a vegetarian lifestyle, though our gut is a different story (herbivores have guts often 20x their body length not 12x. Similarly 'carnivores' have variable gut lengths, upto 10 x body length if memory serves). Indeed the above article, is simply delineating differences between true 'carnivores' i.e. Panthera, Humans and herbivores. Of course there are some differences!!

 One should always be circumspect regarding comparative anatomy in assumptions pertaining to nutritional physiology. Consider the Panda......carnivore dentition, but a v. specialised vegetarian diet. Conversely, many herbivore ruminants i.e. deer, will supplement with carrion. You simply can't make gross generalisations from anatomy alone....

One of the links provided on this site, does a better job of explaining it than I ever could.

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/myths-of-vegetarianism/

And for a more complete analysis, from a vegan (Whole thing's a good read)

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml

And before anyone accuses me of being anti-vegan. I'm not. I just think we should accept that one diet does not fit all. All power to vegans, if it works for them....

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Post  john3333 on Mon Aug 22, 2016 7:15 am

jadegreg wrote:
Sage 1 wrote:Been thinking for a while regarding our jaw structure.
Of course we cook our meat for easier digestion, but john333 has a point.
http://www.celestialhealing.net/physicalveg3.htm

I know what you are saying. Everything about our teeth, does indeed point more towards a vegetarian lifestyle, though our gut is a different story (herbivores have guts often 20x their body length not 12x. Similarly 'carnivores' have variable gut lengths, upto 10 x body length if memory serves). Indeed the above article, is simply delineating differences between true 'carnivores' i.e. Panthera, Humans and herbivores. Of course there are some differences!!

 One should always be circumspect regarding comparative anatomy in assumptions pertaining to nutritional physiology. Consider the Panda......carnivore dentition, but a v. specialised vegetarian diet. Conversely, many herbivore ruminants i.e. deer, will supplement with carrion. You simply can't make gross generalisations from anatomy alone....

One of the links provided on this site, does a better job of explaining it than I ever could.

http://www.westonaprice.org/health-topics/abcs-of-nutrition/myths-of-vegetarianism/

And for a more complete analysis, from a vegan (Whole thing's a good read)

http://www.beyondveg.com/billings-t/comp-anat/comp-anat-1a.shtml

And before anyone accuses me of being anti-vegan. I'm not. I just think we should accept that one diet does not fit all. All power to vegans, if it works for them....
I agree with beyondveg. Veganism can lead to a lot of deficiencies if done wrong. That's why I recommend a Nutritarian diet.
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Post  SonofOdin on Sun Aug 28, 2016 10:32 am

johndoe1225 wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:No, you won't be bulking on a diet like that. Bodybuilding has healthy aspects to it, and also unhealthy aspects. It's been shown that longevity is linked to consuming fewer calories. Perhaps what you're doing now is superior for health. The question you need to ask yourself is can you cheat on your diet to get in those extra calories? Sounds like the answer is no. Well, we all make sacrifices.

I may sound critical of bodybuilding but funny thing is, I chose to continue the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle for myself. Perhaps I may not live quite as long, but for me it makes the time I have on this world more fun, and I feel a lot better about myself because of it.

Interesting, but really, what is considered "bodybuilding"?  I am quite skinny and am very happy with my appearance, I'd like to get to a point where I just look a bit more "solid", or have a bit more of a V shape, while still being skinny and enjoying the longevity benefits, and not bulking.  I walk a -lot- every day, to the point that I can basically walk any distance without even caring.  I follow the Paleo diet for general health and hair.

I have nothing against bodybuilding, but I just feel that this is a better look for me.

What's your exercise routine like Odin?

Hey sorry I don't check these forums as often as I used to. I'm a fan of the oldschool bodybuilders. Steve Reeves is a physique I'd love to have. At the present I look more like the actor Ian Somerhalder when it comes to physique. Google 'Ian Somerhalder Physique'. You'll see the guy isn't big. And he isn't particularly known for being jacked, but I'm happy about the body type I've acquired because I was known as the skinny guy back in high school.

My workout is full body every other day. I don't pay attention to the days of the week I just know for a fact that, after one day rest, I head back in, hit the whole body with compounds, then get lots of rest and nutrition.

Ex. workout

Superset: 4 sets Incline BB -> 4 sets BB Row
Superset: 4 sets Weighted Pull ups -> 4 sets Weighted Dips
Leg Press or Squat 4 sets
Superset: 3 sets BB curl -> 3 sets Skullcrushers
Core work

I know a lot of people can pick apart what I posted above but it is what works for me. The supersets, especially on the compounds might be a bit much for some people. I try to aim for 60-75 min in the gym. If you're able to lift longer than 60-75 min then my view is you're not keeping the intensity high enough. I rotate in different exercises. If I did exactly what I posted above nonstop, I may find certain areas of my body not growing as much as they should so mixing it up is important.

I also approve of the paleo diet despite how adamant some are of veganism on this forum lately.
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Post  johndoe1225 on Tue Aug 30, 2016 2:02 am

Hey Odin!

Thanks for the reply, that sounds pretty tough!  That guy you mentioned does look pretty good, almost what I'd like to look like.

I've always been more of a cardio guy, I used to spend hours on a stationary bike, which is how I went from about 210 to 145-150 pounds, probably overdid it, lol, I cut back though, now I walk a -lot-, do yoga, dance, fun stuff. I still lift a bit of weights but nothing serious, mostly just to avoid accidentally losing muscle.

I'm kind of going for more of a skinny look, if I can see my ribs I'm fine with that Very Happy

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Post  SonofOdin on Tue Aug 30, 2016 4:29 am

Wow congrats on the weight loss! That's quite a bit to lose. For exercise, you might be able to get by with just calisthenics then. Push ups and pull ups followed by some of your cardio would be an excellent option. It'd also be very easy to fit into your life and you won't have to pay for a gym membership or anything. I used to work out at home and that's what I did and I felt great doing it. I'd add in some basic ab work too because even if you do just want to be skinny and may not care much about abs they're pretty important in protecting you from injury even if you're just lifting/moving things around the house like furniture.
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Post  johndoe1225 on Tue Aug 30, 2016 8:26 am

SonofOdin wrote:Wow congrats on the weight loss! That's quite a bit to lose. For exercise, you might be able to get by with just calisthenics then. Push ups and pull ups followed by some of your cardio would be an excellent option. It'd also be very easy to fit into your life and you won't have to pay for a gym membership or anything. I used to work out at home and that's what I did and I felt great doing it. I'd add in some basic ab work too because even if you do just want to be skinny and may not care much about abs they're pretty important in protecting you from injury even if you're just lifting/moving things around the house like furniture.

Hey Odin

Thanks! But like I said, I was probably way too eager to lose the weight, I'd spend like two hours a day on a stationary bike cycling really hard, and I really had fun doing it, but I wish I'd lost weight a little bit slower, but whatever I like the way I look.

Yeah I'm thinking that's a good idea, I also do everything in my home, including a few rounds of Insanity, but I'm trying to not do that level of cardio anymore to not lose any more weight.

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Post  john3333 on Tue Aug 30, 2016 11:32 pm

SonofOdin wrote:
johndoe1225 wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:No, you won't be bulking on a diet like that. Bodybuilding has healthy aspects to it, and also unhealthy aspects. It's been shown that longevity is linked to consuming fewer calories. Perhaps what you're doing now is superior for health. The question you need to ask yourself is can you cheat on your diet to get in those extra calories? Sounds like the answer is no. Well, we all make sacrifices.

I may sound critical of bodybuilding but funny thing is, I chose to continue the fitness/bodybuilding lifestyle for myself. Perhaps I may not live quite as long, but for me it makes the time I have on this world more fun, and I feel a lot better about myself because of it.

Interesting, but really, what is considered "bodybuilding"?  I am quite skinny and am very happy with my appearance, I'd like to get to a point where I just look a bit more "solid", or have a bit more of a V shape, while still being skinny and enjoying the longevity benefits, and not bulking.  I walk a -lot- every day, to the point that I can basically walk any distance without even caring.  I follow the Paleo diet for general health and hair.

I have nothing against bodybuilding, but I just feel that this is a better look for me.

What's your exercise routine like Odin?

Hey sorry I don't check these forums as often as I used to. I'm a fan of the oldschool bodybuilders. Steve Reeves is a physique I'd love to have. At the present I look more like the actor Ian Somerhalder when it comes to physique. Google 'Ian Somerhalder Physique'. You'll see the guy isn't big. And he isn't particularly known for being jacked, but I'm happy about the body type I've acquired because I was known as the skinny guy back in high school.

My workout is full body every other day. I don't pay attention to the days of the week I just know for a fact that, after one day rest, I head back in, hit the whole body with compounds, then get lots of rest and nutrition.

Ex. workout

Superset: 4 sets Incline BB -> 4 sets BB Row
Superset: 4 sets Weighted Pull ups -> 4 sets Weighted Dips
Leg Press or Squat 4 sets
Superset: 3 sets BB curl -> 3 sets Skullcrushers
Core work

I know a lot of people can pick apart what I posted above but it is what works for me. The supersets, especially on the compounds might be a bit much for some people. I try to aim for 60-75 min in the gym. If you're able to lift longer than 60-75 min then my view is you're not keeping the intensity high enough. I rotate in different exercises. If I did exactly what I posted above nonstop, I may find certain areas of my body not growing as much as they should so mixing it up is important.

I also approve of the paleo diet despite how adamant some are of veganism on this forum lately.
The paleo diet is not healthy.
Meat contains acreolin and sometimes parasites. This is one of the many reasons why sashimi and other raw milk and egg fads are dangerous.
Tapeworms can travel to the brain and cause seizures.
Here is a video that shows you the dangers of eating undercooked animal products.
Eating raw meat = parasites, bacteria
Eating cooked meat = Polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbon
Meat is always bad.
Here is a shocking video of the dangers of eating undercooked animals. Please note that this video is terribly disgusting so watch it at your discretion.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfEX_LqRqpQ
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Post  john3333 on Sat Feb 04, 2017 4:53 pm

Tooyoungforthis,

We've been messaging each other.

Stop eating an extreme diet.
Eat grains, legumes,nuts,seeds, and possibly some animal products. Eat the animal products in moderation, of course, if you choose to eat them.
Follow the best diet that has strong research behind it. I'm talking about flexitarianism or veganism supplemented with b12.
Brush your teeth too.

Give up on bulking on a fruitarian diet. Eat cooked vegan foods. Grains and fruits are both plants so they're both good.

Research the rawtill4 diet. That's a good start for you.

Grains are important. They are one of Greger's daily dozen: http://www.cityofwaupaca.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/Dr-Gregers-Daily-Dozen_DrKay.pdf
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3470450/Foods-eat-day-Dr-Michael-Greger-s-Daily-Dozen.html

To Tooyoungforthis and anyone else reading:
Make sure to get the daily dozen every day,and you'll be healthy.

The daily dozen are the foods that Michael Greger has found to be the most important after years of research.
Also spiritual awakenings/experiences aren't real, but that's not the important part of this post.
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Post  tooyoungforthis on Sun Feb 05, 2017 4:27 am

How can you possible say something so vague " eat those 12 foods on gregers list and you'll be healthy... i mean. for real?" wha if that person has digestive issues? absorption issues? and ultimately utilization issues? really shows you don't have the critical mind -set to be saying a statement like that. it's highly superficial and takes nothing into account.

The human bod has 4 processes. Digestion/absorption/utilization/elimination.. when one is compromised the other are as well. think about it..
Fasting or fruit fasts or mono fruit fasts allow the body to regenerate the glands and focus all its energy on rebelancing these 4 elements so you can start fresh again.. why does eveyr mammal in the wild fast when it is sick? because the body knows best. because the body didnt come out of nothing.. because the body is an unbelievably well designed organism who's cells have one programmed thing to do. "REGENERATE" if in todays society we have rampant disease which is only increasing in the human species.. well we gotta look to nature and try harder..

And it all points to massie supression of cures and the cure being in nature


Follow the best diet which has research behind it?

Tell me what research that is? the one funded by corporations which have vested interests? Not long ago we saw a topic on this forum about how science journals had taken a step towards darkness because of corruption..

Grains are inflammatory, many Indian people and Asians have terrible stomach issues because of this.. I'm started curing my skin condition the moment I saw the cause( the stagnatnt lymph system because of my mothers dietary habits of eating cooked food and my own habit of eating cooked...

NUTS ARE ACIDIC and acid is what causes all disease.. Seeds were never meant to be eaten.. they were meant to grow a plant. hence all the phytic acid( same for nuts).
Animal products is precisely why you don't have a spiritual inclination and are absolutely consumed by the 5 physical senses.. Theres much more than you could possibly be aware of. Even science is admitting this with quantum physics.. it just seems like crazy stuff to you.

How could it possibly be that spiritual people/teachers have been saying for millennia what is now being discovered through quantum physics? HOW?

WHy brush my teeth? with fluoridated toothpaste? stop using fluoride and then you'll realize its made to dumb down the population, hence why its in all the water sources of developed nations..imagine a world were everyone is aware of the truth of animal products and their detrimental effects.. research the science on fluoride.. its poison.

Africans have the best teeth and dont brush their teeth.. you think its the vit D3? nah man.. its the fact that they don't eat shit like we do in the west.Their parathyroid functions well and regulates claciium perfectly because of the lack of acid in their bodies.... which ain't decaying their lymph system..

JAPANESE PEOPLE: for long heralded as the healthiest ever.. guess what they do? they STEAAM their food( what a coincidence,they were aware of the fact that food is best eaten as closest possible to it's natural state RAW!!!. don't cook it.. add to this the fact that they had way better habits than westerners of eating no processed shit and barely any wheat etc.. and you got the healthiest people on the earth. of course with globalization they've gone to shit. The Media is one powerful tool and will convince any nation of a shit way of life.


don't you understand it isnt logical for humans to have to cook their food or brush their teeth or inject vaccines? theres an agenda behind all of it..


Oh, and exercising is not good for you unless your filtering your waste properly.. through your sewer system.. ( the lymph system) but youll never hear that on mainstream media.. can't have people curing themselves instead of treating symptoms.. can't have people not paying and collapsing universities health systems all types of restaurants and social established conventions.. yet you will see that with each passing generation.. their lymph systems are more and more atrophied to the point that kids will die on the spot when born and their body starts to require a healthy sewer system.

It's extremely hard for you to see the truth unless you are pushed against a wall.. life-death situation..

I will take your only sound and informed advice.. " give up on bulking on fruitarian diet" no doubt this is correct. it aint gonna work cus ive realized bodybuilding is the equivalent of male beauty pageant contest and no human should ever look that swollen with muscle.. makes no sense to lose so much agility.. after all look at apes and such.. they are agile and have the ideal body to move efficiently and gracefully.. oh and they are frugívoros as well.. damn another coincidence. gotta love those blatantly obvious coincidences..


For anyone following the cooked food idea.. look up DIGESTIVE LEUKOCYTOSIS.

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Post  john3333 on Sun Feb 05, 2017 6:38 am

tooyoungforthis wrote:Follow the best diet which has research behind it?

Tell me what research that is? the one funded by corporations which have vested interests? Not long ago we saw a topic on this forum about how science journals had taken a step towards darkness because of corruption..
http://nutritionfacts.org/ is a non-profit site. Michael Greger has exposed the exact studies you speak of.
tooyoungforthis wrote:
Grains are inflammatory, many Indian people and Asians have terrible stomach issues because of this.. I'm started curing my skin condition the moment I saw the cause( the stagnatnt lymph system because of my mothers dietary habits of eating cooked food and my own habit of eating cooked...

NUTS ARE ACIDIC and acid is what causes all disease.. Seeds were never meant to be eaten.. they were meant to grow a plant. hence all the phytic acid( same for nuts).
Phytic acid is one of the most anti-inflammatory phytonutrients. It removes heavy metals like iron and lead from the colon.
tooyoungforthis wrote:
WHy brush my teeth? with fluoridated toothpaste? stop using fluoride and then you'll realize its made to dumb down the population, hence why its in all the water sources of developed nations..imagine a world were everyone is aware of the truth of animal products and their detrimental effects.. research the science on fluoride.. its poison.
There is toothpaste without fluoride.



JAPANESE PEOPLE: for long heralded as the healthiest ever.. guess what they do? they STEAAM their food( what a coincidence,they were aware of the fact that food is best eaten as closest possible to it's natural state RAW!!!. don't cook it.. add to this the fact that they had way better habits than westerners of eating no processed shit and barely any wheat etc.. and you got the healthiest people on the earth. of course with globalization they've gone to shit. The Media is one powerful tool and will convince any nation of a shit way of life.
Japanese people live long because they are pescetarian. The less meat you eat, the longer you'll live.
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Post  john3333 on Sun Feb 05, 2017 1:50 pm

Don't get me wrong. I know fruitarian diets can cure 99.9% of diseases including cancer.

Once you've looked at the research, you'll realize that grains, flaxseeds,legumes, and cooked vegetables are almost as good too.
Whole wheat, for example, has thousands of phytonutrients.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=66

I know cooked vegan food isn't as good as fruit. Fruit definitely has more phytonutrients. One of the most important phytonutrients, fiber, is much higher in fruits than in grains.

Grains have other beneficial phytonutrients like phytic acid that often are missing in some fruits. Some berries probably have a small amount of cancer-fighting phytates since they have seeds though.

Cooking creates toxins, but it seems to create antioxidants too. https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19417676
Pronyl-l-lysine is an antioxidant created from cooking.


Research other plant foods at this site:
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
These are the foods your ancestors ate. I know that for most of their time our ancestors actually ate fruit, but we've already adapted to eating grains.


Honestly, I think you should continue with your fruitarian diet. You're on the road to living to at least 100 years old, if you keep it up.
I agree with your messages that protein is bad.
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