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Post  CampOfDavid on Wed Aug 31, 2016 6:58 am

In this link below you will see three sets of before and after photos, based on following an anti-baldness diet.

Here is the video link:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hl1hbNVkE0

Here are the stories of the three men (their interactions and comments with other forum users):

Click this link to read Austin's story
http://www.the-healthy-diet-paradise.com/austin-has-won-the-hair-regrowth-battle.html

Click this link to read Brian's story
http://www.the-healthy-diet-paradise.com/brians-before-and-after-hair-regrowth-pictures.html

Click this link to read Cardaro's story
http://www.the-healthy-diet-paradise.com/cardaros-hair-regrowth-adventure-learn-how-cardaro-mastered-diet-to-regrow-his-hair.html#submission_29125465

Here is a link to the web page:
http://www.the-healthy-diet-paradise.com/
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Post  john3333 on Wed Aug 31, 2016 9:56 am

We already have the vegan diet, and more importantly the complete fruitarian hairgrowth regimen by Harley Johnstone.
Gluten-free diets and sugar-free diets are stupid.
Saturated fat is not an essential nutrient so you can forget it.
Eating gluten-free might lead people to eat more meat, which has unhealthy choline and carnitine.
Eat a diet rich in wheat and sugar and you'll have hair and lifespans as long as the Seventh day Adventists.
The longest living people, Seventh Day Adventists, do not eat a ketogenic, paleolithic, or peatarian diet. They are vegans.
MPB is a protein addict's disease.

Everyone in the blue zones eats a plant based diet.
Loma Linda, California - vegan
Okinawa - 90% vegan
Nicoya Peninsula, Costa Rica - rice, beans, corn
Sardinia, Italy - wheat
Icaria, Greece - wheat
Wheat makes people live longer!
Liver has choline and carnitine so its important to avoid it.
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Post  CampOfDavid on Thu Sep 01, 2016 4:03 am

How do you explain the results then bro?

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Post  Hotspur on Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:03 am

Can someone provide a link outlining this diet? It looks shady to me.

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Post  CampOfDavid on Thu Sep 01, 2016 5:41 am

I have not looked into it too much, but I think the basic principle is to cut out gluten and sugar (I think the book gives you recipes to do this with).
I have read quite a few accounts of people who have cut out gluten and halted/reversed their male pattern baldness (there are even progress pictures showing it by some of these people).

I think if MPB is some type of immune/inflammation response (and insulin issue, as Dr Mercola thinks) then for a lot of people gluten could be the trigger (thus those people who cut out gluten reverse the effects of MPB).

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/22/baldness-insulin.aspx

Here is a forum user who has found his MPB was triggered by gluten:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/you-do-not-have-androgenic-alopecia.46697/

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateWheatConsumption1-10.html
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Post  john3333 on Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:11 am

CampOfDavid wrote:I have not looked into it too much, but I think the basic principle is to cut out gluten and sugar (I think the book gives you recipes to do this with).
I have read quite a few accounts of people who have cut out gluten and halted/reversed their male pattern baldness (there are even progress pictures showing it by some of these people).

I think if MPB is some type of immune/inflammation response (and insulin issue, as Dr Mercola thinks) then for a lot of people gluten could be the trigger (thus those people who cut out gluten reverse the effects of MPB).

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2000/10/22/baldness-insulin.aspx

Here is a forum user who has found his MPB was triggered by gluten:
https://www.hairlosstalk.com/interact/threads/you-do-not-have-androgenic-alopecia.46697/

http://www.hairloss-research.org/UpdateWheatConsumption1-10.html
http://www.science20.com/science_20/celiac_trendy_disease_rich_white_people-93422
Gluten sensitivity is a trendy disease for rich people.
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=66
Wheat fights cancer, metabolic syndrome, gallstones, inflammation, diabetes, obesity, and heart disease.
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Post  CampOfDavid on Thu Sep 01, 2016 9:48 am

How do you explain the visible results though bro?

Also what type of diet are you advocating?
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Post  john3333 on Thu Sep 01, 2016 10:14 am

CampOfDavid wrote:How do you explain the visible results though bro?

Also what type of diet are you advocating?
If they aren't lying, their diet reduces scalp inflammation by removing McDonalds and other junk. Avoiding gluten has nothing to do with hairgrowth.

I advocate a vegan diet high in legumes,grains,fruits,and vegetables.

I wouldn't worry about the lectin myths. Lectins are beneficial and possibly essential nutrients.
Lectins fight HIV.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BanLec#HIV_inhibition
Phytates are beneficial too.
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Post  sanderson on Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:01 pm

john3333 wrote:
CampOfDavid wrote:How do you explain the visible results though bro?

Also what type of diet are you advocating?
If they aren't lying, their diet reduces scalp inflammation by removing McDonalds and other junk. Avoiding gluten has nothing to do with hairgrowth.

I advocate a vegan diet high in legumes,grains,fruits,and vegetables.

I wouldn't worry about the lectin myths. Lectins are beneficial and possibly essential nutrients.
Lectins fight HIV.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BanLec#HIV_inhibition
Phytates are beneficial too.

please no one listen to this guy. you actually have no idea what you are talking about after going back and forth on you on your last thread.
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Post  john3333 on Thu Sep 01, 2016 12:28 pm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
It's common for people of lower IQs to look down on intelligent people. No offense.

The people who eat the most lectins are the healthiest. Okinawans eat lots of soy beans. Hispanic people, who eat beans daily, have the best microbiome on the planet!
I'm not telling anybody to eat raw red kidney beans. I'm saying the small amounts found in cooked legumes is enough to have a positive effect on hairgrowth.
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Post  jadegreg on Fri Sep 02, 2016 1:01 am

"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
It's common for people of lower IQs to look down on intelligent people. No offense."

I'm sure the post hoc irony of your statement is not lost on you.

sanderson and John3333, let's keep it civil.

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Post  john3333 on Fri Sep 02, 2016 12:12 pm

jadegreg wrote:"https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dunning%E2%80%93Kruger_effect
It's common for people of lower IQs to look down on intelligent people. No offense."

I'm sure the post hoc irony of your statement is not lost on you.

sanderson and John3333, let's keep it civil.
Sanderson, I apologize.

The fact is that meat causes cancer.
This will always be true even if you eat grass-fed dairy and liver.
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Post  SonofOdin on Fri Sep 02, 2016 5:48 pm

Talk is cheap. If vegans want to make big claims, I expect very compelling progress pictures from you all. If in a few months you're still losing hair, then perhaps you'll be open minded enough to hear other sides. I do not encourage anyone to go on this diet, but if you're doubting animal products causing hair growth, then go ahead and search the forums for 'Eskimo Diet'. Find my thread, read the article I linked in its entirety and at least consider what it is those scientists were reporting.

They lived with the eskimos for a year, eating only meat, regrowing their hair, and all health markers positive. One scientist even went on to eat meat for 9 whole years, and nothing more. Very interesting stuff.
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Post  john3333 on Fri Sep 02, 2016 6:44 pm

SonofOdin wrote:Talk is cheap. If vegans want to make big claims, I expect very compelling progress pictures from you all. If in a few months you're still losing hair, then perhaps you'll be open minded enough to hear other sides. I do not encourage anyone to go on this diet, but if you're doubting animal products causing hair growth, then go ahead and search the forums for 'Eskimo Diet'. Find my thread, read the article I linked in its entirety and at least consider what it is those scientists were reporting.

They lived with the eskimos for a year, eating only meat, regrowing their hair, and all health markers positive. One scientist even went on to eat meat for 9 whole years, and nothing more. Very interesting stuff.

Fat diets cause stroke and heart attacks.
Omega 6 and saturated fats thicken the blood and so are terrible for circulation to the hair.
If there's any benefits to this barbaric eskimo diet, is that it has more omega 3 than omega 6. Omega 3 thins the blood. The amounts of omega 3 and other toxic fats are still way too high in their diet. Their meat also has some carbohydrates, which are the most important part of their diet. Ketogenic diets, or ketoacidosis diets  is how I like to call them, are dangerous. If they had eaten more grains and fruits they would've regrown twice as much thicker hair. Eskimos were found to have atherosclerosis. Only vegan diets have been shown to reverse heart disease.

If you want to die at 50, by all means go ahead and eat a diet of meat.
Toxins in meat: methionine, protein, saturated fat, omega 6, omega 3, putrescine, PAHs, heme iron, cholesterol, homocysteine, heavy metals, antiobiotics, dioxins, bacteria, parasites, neu5gc, carnitine, choline, AGEs, PCBs, steroids, nitrosamines and much more.

Even more compounds are created once meat enters digestion. Hydrogen sulfide, TMAO and other toxic chemicals are created from the destruction of the microbiome.


You can focus on macronutrients and eat a diet of coconut oil.
Vegans will be twenty steps ahead focusing on micronutrients.
A short list of micronutrients eskimos were deficient in: vitamin C, non-heme iron, and beta-carotene. That doesn't include the millions of phytochemicals, myconutrients, or fibers out there that help with inflammation because the list would never end(same with the toxins in meat, really).


If you feel healthy eating coconut oil, which has zero micronutrients, myconutrients, phytonutrients, starches, sugars, and fibers, then keep eating it. Science says it's not healthy though.

It doesn't even look like you're trying to debate this, since it's a fact. :/
I've posted so much science on this forum that you guys must be overwhelmed by it because nobody has been able to prove how a eating coconut oil or liver is healthy! No science, not even an example of someone regrowing hair on a diet of liver! This is really pathetic of meat eaters.

Keep following Ray Peat and others who say berries and legumes are dangerous and see how much faster your hair falls.



I recommend sites like http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=59
WHfoods teaches you what the world's healthiest foods are. You can ignore their meat section though since the only thing they were able to find that was somewhat possibly beneficial about meat was CLA and omega 3.
This is a list of some of the World's Healthiest foods(besides animal products):
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
You can learn about some of the antioxidants in each grain.
Look at the fiber page and learn why you need 90g+ of fiber a day
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=59
There are so many fibers and each one helps grow your hair.

You should also ignore the choline page since choline is proven to cause heart disease.
WHfoods uses real science not broscience like Ray Peat.
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Post  jadegreg on Fri Sep 02, 2016 8:33 pm

john3333 wrote:

The fact is that meat causes cancer.
This will always be true even if you eat grass-fed dairy and liver.

This statement is simply incorrect. As I have said many times before, none of the science on these matters are FACT. They only provide evidence for or against a particular idea. Whilst your above theory has been banded about by a number of health professionals, a number of others beleive the converse to be true. The evidence for CANCEROUS MEAT is far from compelling. Indeed, one of the more recent correlational studies has suggested that your chances of getting colorectal cancer are just as high on a vegan diet as a meat based diet, with fish eaters having the lowest levels. Even the Seventh Day Adventists, who you suggest are the ultimate vegan health paragons, were more prone to certain types of cancers than the average population. Most of these studies, however, do not or cannot account for other health or lifestyle choices that may impact on the results of multifactorial analyses conducted in these studies.

I think if you stopped stating your interpretation of the evidence as FACT, and accepting it as merely evidence, and then provide un-biased sources, rather than sometimes, though not always, mis-represented science from blatantly pro-veganism websites then you would ruffle far fewer feathers. Also disrespecting other researchers i.e. Ray Peat, Weston Price, who have often come to different conclusions with the same evidence as Michael Gregor is not advisable.

I don't doubt that you will see some benefits in health relating to your approach, though other individuals do raise ideas pertaining to diet that may benefit you and your hair loss, so don't dismiss it out of hand until you have come to an independent conclusion by considering the source evidence.

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Post  john3333 on Fri Sep 02, 2016 9:18 pm

Nicoya Peninsula, Costa Rica is a blue zone
They eat a ton of white rice, white bread, beans many times a day.
Some of them do drink tiny amounts of milk and more importantly bananas.
They eat eggs,beef, and cream rarely.
Even more rarely they eat fish, chicken, processed meat, and fried food.
Not surprising at all. It's pretty much vegetarian!
Check out the data here
https://www.icpsr.umich.edu/icpsrweb/ICPSR/studies/31263


It's interesting how those on ketogenic diets say white rice and white bread are bad even though they increase longevity.

All of the blue zones are plant based.
We know Sardinia, Italy and Icaria, Greece eat wheat.
Okinawa and Loma Linda are plant based.

I'm going to go buy some tofu and soymilk tomorrow to increase my longevity and hair circulation.
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Post  SonofOdin on Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:54 am

No, I've not reached the point where I want to enter into a full debate. I did have a full post written out on how vegan is a great way to lose your hair, but there are some on this forum who are forced to be vegan due to religious purposes, and the post would cause more harm than good for those people.

Lets say I die at fifty. All my vegan friends already look old af, and run down, while I'm ripped with boundless energy Very Happy One of my good friends is a longtime vegan and she already looks like she has hit 30, while her friends sometimes ask her why shes hanging out with a kid like me(We're both the same age). I know this because she is insecure about this and oftentimes at parties asks people to guess our ages.

Tofu and soy will increase your estrogen levels and put you at risk for gynecomastia if eaten in execess.

Here is the diet of the gods:

Carbs:
White rice
Sweet Potato
Russet Potato

Vegetables:
1 lb of mixed veggies minimum per day.
Include broccoli, spinach, asparagus, carrots, cauliflower etc.

Proteins:
Fish is most important for anti aging. My favorites are Cod and salmon
Chicken
Greek Yogurt
Grass fed beef

Fats:
Avocado
Coconut oil
Almonds

Fruits:
Apples (Most important, anti hair loss food)
Berries (Possibly as important as the apples)
Banana
Oranges

Rules:
No alcohol
No smoking
Only fluids you shall drink are green tea and water
Exercise 3-4 times a week with a mix of cardio and resistance training

This is not a comprehensive list. However this diet works for me. Unlike veganism, which forces you to supplement with b12 or eat processed fortified garbage, everything you need is in this diet. It's very important you eat at least a pound of vegetables a day due to the fact our soil is more depleted of nutrients. This is easily attainable through meals such as stir frys. White rice is key, because although it is not nutritious, it is a neutral safe food. White rice is helpful because it fills in gaps in your diet, that you might otherwise be tempted to fill with bad foods. I should also note that I am Norwegian, and I believe in eating foods my ancestors have ate. So perhaps you will not thrive as much on fish, but every time I eat it I feel great.

Suggested Supplements:
Krill Oil
Gelatin
Zinc
Melatonin

Anyway I got off topic. To respond to the original diet in this post, the paleo diet may work for some. It's philosophy of trying to mirror our hunter gatherer diet is something I approve of. However a lot of times going without carbs can be harsh on the body because breaking down protein to use for energy is an inefficient process. This is why I include the three carb sources I outlined in my diet. After doing so it improved my wellbeing by a lot. It's something to look into.
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Post  CampOfDavid on Sat Sep 03, 2016 4:24 am

Hello bro Smile

What do you think of a good source of cod liver oil taken with evening primrose oil (do you think it is good for hair)?

Also, does not green tea increase ones DHT?

P.S. Why are apples so important for hair loss?

Also what do you think about gluten and sugar in regard to male pattern baldness?
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Post  johndoe1225 on Sat Sep 03, 2016 6:05 am

Hey Odin, I noticed you listed Greek Yogurt, have you ever tried that mixed with a few tablespoons of ground flax-seed meal?  I use Chobani plain with Bob's Redmill flax-seeds, it's literally cocaine Very Happy  People get worried about flax and estrogen, but I read it actually BALANCES your estrogen levels, rather than mess them up.

Also I noticed you mention "gelatin" as a supplement, I used to take "gelatin", but I figure hydrolyzed collagen is the form of gelatin for skin, hair, etc., right?  It seems that while they are both gelatin (I guess?), wherever I read about them, "hydrolyzed collagen" is the form recommended for health benefits.  I thought some forms of gelatin were mostly just for making food things, like gummies or whatever.

And I love sweet potatoes, I can easily eat a pound of them, so I limit myself to only boiling one potato at a time. Same with carrots. I should really steam them but until I get a steamer, whatever.

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Post  Sage 1 on Sat Sep 03, 2016 7:01 am

SonofOdin wrote:No, I've not reached the point where I want to enter into a full debate. I did have a full post written out on how vegan is a great way to lose your hair, but there are some on this forum who are forced to be vegan due to religious purposes, and the post would cause more harm than good for those people.

Lets say I die at fifty. All my vegan friends already look old af, and run down, while I'm ripped with boundless energy Very Happy One of my good friends is a longtime vegan and she already looks like she has hit 30, while her friends sometimes ask her why shes hanging out with a kid like me(We're both the same age). I know this because she is insecure about this and oftentimes at parties asks people to guess our ages.

Tofu and soy will increase your estrogen levels and put you at risk for gynecomastia if eaten in execess.

Here is the diet of the gods:

Carbs:
White rice
Sweet Potato
Russet Potato

Vegetables:
1 lb of mixed veggies minimum per day.
Include broccoli, spinach, asparagus, carrots, cauliflower etc.

Proteins:
Fish is most important for anti aging. My favorites are Cod and salmon
Chicken
Greek Yogurt
Grass fed beef

Fats:
Avocado
Coconut oil
Almonds

Fruits:
Apples (Most important, anti hair loss food)
Berries (Possibly as important as the apples)
Banana
Oranges

Rules:
No alcohol
No smoking
Only fluids you shall drink are green tea and water
Exercise 3-4 times a week with a mix of cardio and resistance training

This is not a comprehensive list. However this diet works for me. Unlike veganism, which forces you to supplement with b12 or eat processed fortified garbage, everything you need is in this diet. It's very important you eat at least a pound of vegetables a day due to the fact our soil is more depleted of nutrients. This is easily attainable through meals such as stir frys. White rice is key, because although it is not nutritious, it is a neutral safe food. White rice is helpful because it fills in gaps in your diet, that you might otherwise be tempted to fill with bad foods. I should also note that I am Norwegian, and I believe in eating foods my ancestors have ate. So perhaps you will not thrive as much on fish, but every time I eat it I feel great.

Suggested Supplements:
Krill Oil
Gelatin
Zinc
Melatonin

Anyway I got off topic. To respond to the original diet in this post, the paleo diet may work for some. It's philosophy of trying to mirror our hunter gatherer diet is something I approve of. However a lot of times going without carbs can be harsh on the body because breaking down protein to use for energy is an inefficient process. This is why I include the three carb sources I outlined in my diet. After doing so it improved my wellbeing by a lot. It's something to look into.

The problem is the so called hunter gatherer diet, that docent exist except for those that actually hunt themselves.
Did your ancestors eat crushed red colored krill pellets fed pond fish, grass fed animal beef with antibiotics?
This is the only possibility to feed our overwhelming population needs.

And you donīt have have to prove your picture perfect diet, by comparing your vegan friends looking older than you.
I actually cut down on your list mentioned, and i feel so much better and looking younger then ever before, by using our intended food under our feet.

Wonder what they put in the feeding pellets nowadays to avoid this?
http://www.puresalmon.org/pdfs/diseases.pdf

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Post  john3333 on Sat Sep 03, 2016 9:24 am

SonofOdin, that's a good diet.
I don't think fish or meat is healthy. There's lots of problems with it. In small amounts it has helped the blue zones survive for b12. We don't need to worry about b12 since we can take a supplement.

You should eat more carbohydrates(fruits,vegetables,grains).

What's good about your diet is that you eat tubers, which is what made 90%+ of the Okinawan diet.
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Post  sanderson on Sat Sep 03, 2016 10:26 am

john3333 wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:Talk is cheap. If vegans want to make big claims, I expect very compelling progress pictures from you all. If in a few months you're still losing hair, then perhaps you'll be open minded enough to hear other sides. I do not encourage anyone to go on this diet, but if you're doubting animal products causing hair growth, then go ahead and search the forums for 'Eskimo Diet'. Find my thread, read the article I linked in its entirety and at least consider what it is those scientists were reporting.

They lived with the eskimos for a year, eating only meat, regrowing their hair, and all health markers positive. One scientist even went on to eat meat for 9 whole years, and nothing more. Very interesting stuff.

Fat diets cause stroke and heart attacks.
Omega 6 and saturated fats thicken the blood and so are terrible for circulation to the hair.
If there's any benefits to this barbaric eskimo diet, is that it has more omega 3 than omega 6. Omega 3 thins the blood. The amounts of omega 3 and other toxic fats are still way too high in their diet. Their meat also has some carbohydrates, which are the most important part of their diet. Ketogenic diets, or ketoacidosis diets  is how I like to call them, are dangerous. If they had eaten more grains and fruits they would've regrown twice as much thicker hair. Eskimos were found to have atherosclerosis. Only vegan diets have been shown to reverse heart disease.

If you want to die at 50, by all means go ahead and eat a diet of meat.
Toxins in meat: methionine, protein, saturated fat, omega 6, omega 3, putrescine, PAHs, heme iron, cholesterol, homocysteine, heavy metals, antiobiotics, dioxins, bacteria, parasites, neu5gc, carnitine, choline, AGEs, PCBs, steroids, nitrosamines and much more.

Even more compounds are created once meat enters digestion. Hydrogen sulfide, TMAO and other toxic chemicals are created from the destruction of the microbiome.


You can focus on macronutrients and eat a diet of coconut oil.
Vegans will be twenty steps ahead focusing on micronutrients.
A short list of micronutrients eskimos were deficient in: vitamin C, non-heme iron, and beta-carotene. That doesn't include the millions of phytochemicals, myconutrients, or fibers out there that help with inflammation because the list would never end(same with the toxins in meat, really).


If you feel healthy eating coconut oil, which has zero micronutrients, myconutrients, phytonutrients, starches, sugars, and fibers, then keep eating it. Science says it's not healthy though.

It doesn't even look like you're trying to debate this, since it's a fact. :/
I've posted so much science on this forum that you guys must be overwhelmed by it because nobody has been able to prove how a eating coconut oil or liver is healthy! No science, not even an example of someone regrowing hair on a diet of liver! This is really pathetic of meat eaters.

Keep following Ray Peat and others who say berries and legumes are dangerous and see how much faster your hair falls.



I recommend sites like http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=59
WHfoods teaches you what the world's healthiest foods are. You can ignore their meat section though since the only thing they were able to find that was somewhat possibly beneficial about meat was CLA and omega 3.
This is a list of some of the World's Healthiest foods(besides animal products):
http://www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
You can learn about some of the antioxidants in each grain.
Look at the fiber page and learn why you need 90g+ of fiber a day
http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=nutrient&dbid=59
There are so many fibers and each one helps grow your hair.

You should also ignore the choline page since choline is proven to cause heart disease.
WHfoods uses real science not broscience like Ray Peat.

very good... you know, that is why ray peat recommends dairy as a main protein source.. to avoid the excess methione and cystine. you know, he might not be as crazy as you think. Wink he agrees with you there. he thinks if you do meat, you should be eating gelatin with it, to allow the body to get enough of the anti inflammatory benefits from glycine to enter the blood stream.. he thinks if you eat a large amount of methione and cystine at a meal.. it will create a similar effect to a large amount of stress entering the body.... he agrees with you my friend.

also.. fwiw.. he doesnt think sugar has any nutrients in it either. he recommends sugar in order to stop the body from producing cortisol and keep the thyroid function up. you are right, sugar itself has no nutrients. however, other power foods like milk, coffee, fruit juice, liver, oysters, etc. etc.. have enough nutrients to supply the body with what it needs to function correctly..

but im no expert at the end of the day... it all works in theory.. but in practice its another challenge becuase everyone has a different situation going on.. me personally, i am losing this battle.. i told you i had very high estrogen, bad fungus, and im losing, but at least i have some direction going on.. it make sense in practice when i apply his theories and look at my blood results from what he says.. making it work though.. that is what matters at the end of hte day... if you do manage to stop your loss from your diet.. thats all that matters and youve all ready won.
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Post  SonofOdin on Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:03 pm

@Johndoe, Flax seeds I've seen mixed reports on it. If you can find some solid evidence I may consider adding it to my Greek Yogurt. I'd actually like to feel safe in adding it because it supposedly has a lot of health benefits to it.

Be careful with boiling. Do not use too much water, or find alternate ways of cooking because you do lose some nutrients with the sweet potatoes this way. I've even heard some say microwaving retains nutrients the best. But I prefer to bake mine when I have the time. Even if you do boil though, sweet potatoes and yams are going to be one of your best carb sources you can add.

As for gelatin, I believe both forms are good. This article also discusses both forms: http://paleoleap.com/all-about-gelatin-and-collagen/ I use the Great Lakes brand. It wouldn't hurt to consume both forms.

@John3333, Thank you, I do feel like I eat quite a bit of carbs already since I always eat a pound of vegetables a day, and lots of white rice. I am not paleo. Paleo consumes very little carbs and many paleo dieters would consider the carbs I listed to be offlimits. We'll have to disagree on the meat. I feel it has its place but I know you disagree.

@CampofDavid Green tea also has components that block DHT. But most importantly is it reduces inflammation, and this is a major part of what causes hair loss. Try it out and if you notice more hair fall, stop usage. But, the benefits, if you can tolerate the tea are great because it lowers your risk of cancer and improves skin quality among other benefits.

I avoid gluten. It's a big topic as to why, so I won't explain right now. You get sugar from fruit, and fruit is highly beneficial so I allow some sugar in my diet. But I don't go looking for it, either. An example of a sugar I consume is local honey.

Cod Liver Oil is beneficial if you get the right brand. If you look into it, most brands have issues. The ones that do not are very expensive and that's why I don't take it.

Apple info: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11841365, http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=15

Whfoods is more of a general website not hair specific. My diet is not just to regrow hair, it is to stay young. One of my greatest fears is growing old, and so I have done a lot of research to try to become as ageless as possible.

@Sage, my philosophy is to do what I can. It's true that these foods are not as natural as if I were to go hunt them myself. But does that mean I throw in the towel and begin shopping for processed garbage? Of course not. I try to mirror the hunter gatherer diet but I will never attain it fully. I don't know what you mean by food under your feet. Are you eating roots/herbs and living off of your own farm? I don't know what to say about you saying I do not have to prove my diet, because anecdotal reports do not constitute as proof in my books anyway. Even worse, is if my word, suddenly becomes proof enough for some. It is not. Research must be done on your own time to factcheck what you hear on channels such as forums like these.


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Post  sanderson on Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:08 pm

SonofOdin wrote:@Johndoe, Flax seeds I've seen mixed reports on it. If you can find some solid evidence I may consider adding it to my Greek Yogurt. I'd actually like to feel safe in adding it because it supposedly has a lot of health benefits to it.

Be careful with boiling. Do not use too much water, or find alternate ways of cooking because you do lose some nutrients with the sweet potatoes this way. I've even heard some say microwaving retains nutrients the best. But I prefer to bake mine when I have the time. Even if you do boil though, sweet potatoes and yams are going to be one of your best carb sources you can add.

As for gelatin, I believe both forms are good. This article also discusses both forms: http://paleoleap.com/all-about-gelatin-and-collagen/ I use the Great Lakes brand. It wouldn't hurt to consume both forms.

@John3333, Thank you, I do feel like I eat quite a bit of carbs already since I always eat a pound of vegetables a day, and lots of white rice. I am not paleo. Paleo consumes very little carbs and many paleo dieters would consider the carbs I listed to be offlimits. We'll have to disagree on the meat. I feel it has its place but I know you disagree.

@CampofDavid Green tea also has components that block DHT. But most importantly is it reduces inflammation, and this is a major part of what causes hair loss. Try it out and if you notice more hair fall, stop usage. But, the benefits, if you can tolerate the tea are great because it lowers your risk of cancer and improves skin quality among other benefits.

I avoid gluten. It's a big topic as to why, so I won't explain right now. You get sugar from fruit, and fruit is highly beneficial so I allow some sugar in my diet. But I don't go looking for it, either. An example of a sugar I consume is local honey.

Cod Liver Oil is beneficial if you get the right brand. If you look into it, most brands have issues. The ones that do not are very expensive and that's why I don't take it.

Apple info: http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11841365, http://www.whfoods.com/genpage.php?tname=foodspice&dbid=15

Whfoods is more of a general website not hair specific. My diet is not just to regrow hair, it is to stay young. One of my greatest fears is growing old, and so I have done a lot of research to try to become as ageless as possible.

@Sage, my philosophy is to do what I can. It's true that these foods are not as natural as if I were to go hunt them myself. But does that mean I throw in the towel and begin shopping for processed garbage? Of course not. I try to mirror the hunter gatherer diet but I will never attain it fully. I don't know what you mean by food under your feet. Are you eating roots/herbs and living off of your own farm? I don't know what to say about you saying I do not have to prove my diet, because anecdotal reports do not constitute as proof in my books. Even worse, is if my word, suddenly becomes proof enough for some. It is not. Research must be done on your own time to factcheck what you hear on channels such as forums like these.

u still taking finasteride? i react horribly to gelatin processed for some reason. ive been making my own with lamb shanks or oxtail in a slow cooker
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Post  SonofOdin on Sat Sep 03, 2016 1:15 pm

As a hunter gatherer, there are times where I must hunt down the wooly mammoth, and extract the finasteride from its tusks for consumption. >.>

Sadly... yes.

As I said in my post, I greatly fear aging. Remember, my story was that I went from NW1.5 to NW4 in under a year. The drug brought me back to a very thick NW3 that with the right hair style, a very short crew cut, as well as a light application of toppik hair fibers, no one would suspect I have much loss at all.

That's probably the superior method to consume gelatin anyway so I would definitely keep doing it. Have you observed any positive effects after taking it for some time?
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