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Re: What if the flat earth returned ?

Post  cdto2012 on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:58 pm

rofl wrote:apply your sudden desire for scientific process to DT theory .  lets hear the deflection now.

Well it took some outside the box thinking and risk to come up with the process of DT-CPR , but I had an understanding about what I wanted to treat. Thanks to modeling with studies, documentation, and medical evidence, I came up with a documentable, measurable, repeatable, experiment. I followed though with clear timely and consistent photographic and observation records.

The photographic evidence is clear for all to evaluate and design their own treatment. From your own comments it seemed that you saw regrow, but claimed that it was temporary .. destined to fall out soon. Well over a year later there has only been an increase in density and length. So yes, the better people understand and stick to the discipline of scientific method, the better quality the reporting, modeling, and documentation will be for the hair topics.

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Post  cdto2012 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:53 am

Here is a fun repost about the perfect orbit of the moon and why we never see the dark side of it.  There is a lot of new material about the moon that I will post later about eclipses and ringing of the surface.

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The inquiry is fun to sort out assumptions from measurable personal observations that can be done.  Then sort out what could be deception .. like the admittedly composite ( pasted together pieces) images of earth rather than real photos. Or take a look at this absurd NASA bogus graphics of the moon crossing the earth.   The video below gives the detailed list of problems,  but anyone can see right away that the color and brightness of the moon is fake.  Like the full moon with the sun being reflected off it,  the full moon is bright and whitish or slightly yellow, not a stone gray as in the photo. Of course it should be bright white and  as  with the full moon,  because the sun is behind the camera and it is day on earth. Also a sphere has a bright spot as light falls on it.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=skIq1C_3VjI

from NASA site
https://www.nasa.gov/feature/goddard/from-a-million-miles-away-nasa-camera-shows-moon-crossing-face-of-earth

compare the flat gray 2 dimensional NASA image to what a normal sphere looks like in full sunlight, the earth is full illuminated,  why does the NASA moon look so flat, dark and fake.. it should at least look like the full moon white.



how nasa photoshops and admits that the earth images are fake

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jaRurjWjf4Y

a decent summary of flat earth modeling and more anomalies
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-RIBO7VB0VE


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Post  cdto2012 on Sat Feb 18, 2017 8:36 pm

Some government and educational institutions have motives to misrepresent their research, spending habits, or reasons for directives. The foundation of the hair forum starts as follows.  
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Reversing hair loss Naturally

Each and every one of us has been inundated with spurious, fraudulent information about health.   I have proof it can be short-sighted to believe FDA-approved drugs are the only reliable way to save your hair.  


Information provided to the public through government institutions, media sources and politically correct dietary guidelines have corrupted objectivity surrounding health.  "
http://immortalhair.org/

If the lies are obvious, it is worth asking,  for what purpose or intent- what is being hidden or misdirected ?


Seems to be plenty of interest,  so I will post another NASA (Never A Straight Answer)  astronauts  vs ... well more NASA space shuttle astronauts and a few other commentators.

Basically the lie being evaluated today is regarding seeing stars from space, even with the sun present. This is not  really about photographing stars,  even though there are a few videos linked that show plenty of star photographs with the sun present. Photographs can be overexposed and omit stars easily enough. With regular sight stars should be seen even in the day, even if you are on a bright surface like a spaceship or moon surface. For instance,  if you were on the beach white sand in the sun,  you could see a thin faint sliver of moon if it was out in the day time. Below I cover why stars are not seen in the day due to the atmosphere.

Before the short video,  why would the stars be claimed by some astronauts to not be able to be seen?  In my opinion, they are a lot of work to fake in hundreds of follow up photos due to the placement of the constellation accuracy.

Keep in mind, here on earth the atmosphere refracts light in the day, so it is not possible to see stars with bright lighting. In space there is no atmosphere.  The space crafts are reflective like the surface of the moon,  and there are plenty of photos and claims that stars can be seen with sunlight present.

here is the short intro video with the astronauts and commentators. (strangely Degrasse is a round earth proponent but agrees that stars should be seen. )    

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR-PIziiVOw
same basic content,  but the speakers are shown
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OmcwW-8CC6E


a few follow up vids showing star photos with different lighting
why the ISS does not take photos that show stars, but others do
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sZ_uyDrFFFo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_dpVqTAT4Q

- why would the early astronauts claim no stars and so many satellite and space photos have none?  The graphics computing power of the early decades was so low compared to the recent photos seen in the videos above. It would have been a  difficult process to add correctly aligned cut outs of star constellations with weak computers or for a live 24 hour feed such as the International Space Station.  Photography is a complex subject, this is why I did not make it the focus,  I am just speculating here and am not an expert in photography. I heard that after questions were raised they started adding stars to the photos on the ISS, there is a 2 hour video on that if you want the link.

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Post  cdto2012 on Sun Feb 19, 2017 12:34 pm

I was asked to do some sun modeling experiments in a private message.  I saw a video today that does a really good job of explaining the flat earth modeling and why you see the sun "set" over the ocean.

The first part of the video deals with the distance and size of the sun in measurable reality. The end also has a  distance measurement. Keep in mind that if water diffraction was the cause of the bending of sunrays through the clouds, all clouds would produce a radial spoke pattern and you would see rays randomly crossing if the sun was far away and rays parallel. Conclusion, the photos in the video are not explained by light and water diffraction,  that is a rainbow prism.

Perspective is not the simplest to explain,  but the second half of this video does a really good job with graphics, of how the sun sets.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=760y9sEkC98&index=15&list=RDTOO0_vB0JwE


short version of a boat perspective over the horizon
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ql_TTguKxnE

long version experiment of perspective
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSSFfoAIx04

These videos are a lot of demonstrated science to consider.  My last comment is about why the sun actually goes dark and can not  be zoomed in at some point and always seen on a flat earth.  Most obvious is that at some distance, even over water there is visibility factors like smog, rain, etc, that limit visibility gradually. In reality over a flat earth and a near sun, even over the ocean, eventually there are land masses and clouds in the distance that do block the light as the sun moves far enough away, close to the horizon distanced distortion.  Just as railroad tracks converge and disappear smaller and smaller in the distance, at some point even the light is no longer visible from a train a few hundred miles away. They explain why the sun does not shrink in the videos. It is obvious that the size of the sun is distorted by the atmosphere when it looks bigger.  My explanation is just a try,  perspective is something that we do not consider often. The videos do show real life examples illustrating the basics.

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Post  cdto2012 on Sat Feb 25, 2017 9:35 pm

Time for the weekend edition of luna-cy .  The subject is about a few more moon mysteries.  The basic science has to do with the NASA article below.  The moon is said to ring like a bell,  and NASA can't really explain what causes this.

"The moon was ringing like a bell," Neal says.
"What causes the shallow moonquakes? And where do they occur? "We're not sure,"

https://science.nasa.gov/science-news/science-at-nasa/2006/15mar_moonquakes

from popular science

"sent their spent lunar module back to the Moon. It impacted about 40 miles away from the Apollo 12 landing site with the force of one ton of TNT. The resulting shockwave built up and peaked in just eight minutes. Then it took an hour to fully dissipate."
http://www.popsci.com/does-moon-sound-like-bell

They theorize that on earth the moisture in the soil dampens the vibrations.
In reality earthquakes are started on earth from dense hard tectonic plates frictioning. Bedrock is not moist soil,  plenty of earthquakes happen on levels where there is rocks like granite for miles.  Topsoil with moisture is usually a very shallow surface in % comparison to tectonic plate depth.  

Anyhow more of a fun speculative story about the moon for entertainment.

here is a video with some interesting speculation with a few real sounding anomalies and official quotes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkSX68ZXUgg

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Post  cdto2012 on Wed Mar 01, 2017 12:52 am

Here is some interesting evidence that most people are not correct about how they view  the earth processes. Imagine how much total oil and money has been made from the oil mined to date. Consider plastics, pavement, lubricants, and fuels.  The idea of this evidence is that oil is not a limited resource fuel,  is not dependent on plant or animal remains, and is constantly being produced in the earth, and can be made from very common elements.

this extract is from the research that shows the process,  the scientific abstract is found at the bottom of the article

Fossils From Animals And Plants Are Not Necessary For Crude Oil And Natural Gas, Swedish Researchers Find
http://www.viewzone.com/abioticoilx.html
"Experiments have shown that under extreme conditions of heat and pressure it is possible to convert iron oxide, calcium carbonate and water into methane, with hydrocarbons containing up to 10 carbon atoms being produced by Russian scientists last century and confirmed in recent US experiments. The absence of large quantities of free gaseous oxygen in the magma prevents the hydrocarbons from burning and therefore forming the lower energy state molecule carbon dioxide. The conditions present in the Earth's mantle would easily be sufficient for these small hydrocarbon chains to polymerise into the longer chain molecules found in crude oil."


Very interesting that iron rust, chalk, and water could be used to make flammable methane.  Methane is a hydrocarbon and is the key component needed to explain how bacteria transform plants into oil with heat and pressure.



there is plenty about this subject if you like videos about abiotic oil
https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=abiotic+oil

Unfortunately there is a debate about how oil really forms because it occurs deep in the earth and is said to take very long time periods.  On the normal oil side there is chemical markers and the need for higher levels of CO2 needed.  Here is one more remarkable evidence for abiotic oil.

https://www.decodedscience.org/origin-crude-oil-petroleum-biotic-abiotic/54008

These two theories are finding most of their adherents in two camps – the Western camp (biotic) and the Russian-Ukrainian camp (abiotic) – although there are western scientists in the R-U camp. This division is especially sharp in the 21st century, since researchers have detected hydrocarbons in space objects, where no plant life has ever existed.

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Post  cdto2012 on Sun Mar 05, 2017 2:40 am

Time for the weekend WTF update.  This amazed even me that this could be verified by normal sources.  It involves the leaking of water into the helmets of spacewalking astronauts.  

http://www.space.com/24835-spacesuit-water-leak-nasa-investigation.html

"While the spacewalk was expected to last about 6.5 hours, Mission Controllers aborted the space excursion about one hour into it. Once back inside the airlock, Parmitano and the other space station crewmembers found that about 1.5 liters of water filled the helmet.

The announcement came as NASA released the results of an investigation into the harrowing spacewalk on July 16, 2013, in which water flooded the spacesuit helmet of Italian astronaut Luca Parmitano, forcing NASA to abort the spacewalk to get him to safety. In the end, the malfunction was completely unexpected and unlike anything the space agency planned for."

http://www.space.com/31635-water-leak-astronaut-helmet-halts-spacewalk.html

"For the second time in less than three years, a spacewalk outside of the International Space Station has been cut short because of a water leak in an astronaut's helmet.

Parmitano noticed a significant buildup of water in his helmet — the result of a problem with his spacesuit's water-circulating cooling system, investigators later determined "

Ok so maybe there is a water cooling system that is so ridiculously hard to keep from dumping over a liter of water into the helmet, that this keeps happening. Come on,  you have rocket scientists but can't keep water in a tube ?

so their solution ?  snorkels and maxi pad like fluid absorbers.  
 http://www.nbcnews.com/science/snorkels-space-american-astronauts-prep-urgent-spacewalk-repairs-2D11771330

Perhaps the water is leaking in because they film most of the fake space footage in a pool?  There are plenty of videos showing the air bubbles and diver reflections.  Here is a short and decent video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9j1c4KmiQ4

I will throw this in as a bonus video,  some great footage of the tards running the missions.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lkPoE-D6I3k

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Post  long hair on Sun Mar 05, 2017 8:43 pm

ya i saw the video a few months a go but even if this from cooling sys ..why they need cool water any way ..space suppose to be cold Question
cd ..check the stars vids ,they realy looks like a lights under the water they dosnt seems solid things.
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Post  long hair on Mon Mar 06, 2017 1:51 am

translated from quraan :

"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?"
he didnt say any thing about big bang or any explosion he just disconnect the heavens from earth to make a space between them and that the space we live in right now.
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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Mar 06, 2017 3:43 am

I am going to go a bit deep, but a study that I have found most interesting. The topic involves the founders and intent of NASA, with a bit of follow the money documentation.

The first piece is a classic, and a real eye opener. I deals the the USA corporate financing of Nazi Germany. Remember that after WW1 Germany was broke with war reparations and only a few years later became a super power able to conquer most of Europe and go to war with the USA.  When the movement got out of control, the USA stepped in,  but the Nazi ideals of a new world order was supported by many direct USA investors like General Electric, Ford Motors, ITT,  and Standard Oil. Much of the investment went into technical developments such as jet fuel from coal.

Wall Street and the rise of Hitler
https://www.voltairenet.org/IMG/pdf/Sutton_Wall_Street_and_Hitler.pdf

Henry Ford was involved with the Nazi movement and received awards from the SS.
https://www.google.co.th/search?client=opera&q=henry+ford+nazi&sourceid=opera&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8

Also Prescott Bush of the presidential family had his bank seized by the USA  for Nazi funding.
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

from the Washington Times
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/oct/17/20031017-110534-8149r/

"President Bush’s grandfather was a director of a bank seized by the federal government because of its ties to a German industrialist who helped bankroll Adolf Hitler’s rise to power, government documents show."

So what does this have to do with NASA ?  Well after the war, many top Nazi scientists were brought to the USA to run NASA projects and other government programs under operation Paperclip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkEUv6z20qo
summary 
 
long version   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sopm5cD57Y4

another brief video on the JPL NASA occultists
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pCICm2v0Nt8

The point of this basic research is that NASA and other government agencies may have close ties with  the corporate military machine. President  Eisenhower in 1961 warned "beware of the military industrial complex" soon followed by the  moon mission in 1969.  
NASA is less about fun educational adventures for the good of all people.  It was more about military and commercial space conquest and developing weapons for population control as mentioned in the ""summary"  video above.  By space, this could just mean low earth orbit weaponry.

For me it is not believable that we have not returned to the moon in 47 years considering the mineral and free energy riches there.
http://www.popularmechanics.com/space/moon-mars/a235/1283056/

Also I could never understand why a country like North Korea would now have a hard time designing an inter continental ballistic missile that could hit anywhere in the USA. In 1970  the technology was pre arcade video game computing levels. They claim the USA could get to the moon with that tech, but even now they need more research to overcome the Van Allen belt radiation effects, so they cant send humans back again.

The point is that NASA does not make sense as a tool to greatly enrich the quality of life and bring free energy from the moon home,  kind of agency . So many things do not add up about the agency, and perhaps beyond the massive funding diversion ,  it may have darker purposes.

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Post  long hair on Wed Mar 08, 2017 8:22 pm


this is 1000 years old map found in Honolulu  1907.

In December 1946-47, Admiral Richard Byrd visited Antarctica on “Operation High Jump”. On his return, he performed a few radio and TV show interviews. In his own words said that there was a secret land mass the size of America beyond the South Pole.

i think also he said this land is warm and livable .

in some other map i saw before there is another sun and moon over those far continents.
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Post  long hair on Thu Mar 09, 2017 2:29 am

the only thing they toke to the space is your imagination

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tY8o-7yva3A

from quraan
"O ye assembly of Jinns and men! If it be ye can pass beyond the zones of the heavens and the earth, pass ye! not without authority shall ye be able to pass!"
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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Mar 13, 2017 5:38 am

There is just so much juicy evidence on the moon hoax. The link is one of the content evidence based websites with links to many subjects.

https://aplanetruth.info/moon-hoax-images/





Moon buggies were used on Apollo 15-17. Look at shadows on measurement device and rocks. They clearly are going in different directions. There is only one light source on the moon, the sun, any other lights are stage lights used to fake the moon photos.

The moons gravity is 1/6 th of the earths. Lets be generous and say that with the space suit that has temperature control to withstand 253 degrees F (123 C) (like being submerged in boiling water temperature by unshielded sunrays) ; is total 300 pounds including the person inside.  That means that the moon weight is still 50 pounds. This does not make you float or semi buoyant, just lighter.  If a 50 pound dog or child was walking or jumping around on earth it would look normal. On the moon it would look normal, just a bit faster and could jump higher.

Check out the short video below shows the wires used and the obvious puppet action of the astronauts. Truly absurd to take for real, also the slow motion was faked. Things get slower under water, not in reduced gravity.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=akTgmSplyXA

Some of this evidence sorting process is valuable for other topics such as 911 event and many other media hoaxes.

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Post  cdto2012 on Tue Mar 14, 2017 2:08 pm

So what is the benefit of such an exercise in critical thinking ?  I have friends that work in anti corruption. I hear first hand how people fall for scams, robbed by spouses and partners, and see how people work like slaves and die in debt.

The critical thinking makes people aware early when things are not adding up or details seem contradictory. People are easy to scam if they think that people are generally harmless and helpful.

For hair regrow, it is the discipline to demand scientific processes and evidence, before wasting money and months on treatments.  We are lucky to be able to share our failures and try many leads,  but critical and creative thinking will only help more gain real regrow. Also real expectations. If an average process takes 2 years to regrow, be careful  concluding after 2 months that your experiment is not working.

I might depart from space science and venture into some other glaring topics. Most people are too busy to keep up with the paradigm impacting evidence that is not so hard to sort out if clearly presented.

Obviously I have plenty of time on my hands.  I am a computer tech and financial automation programmer. Yes I enjoy tech and logic, because it can lead to freedom.

Today's snippet is regarding Obama's birth certificate.  I do plenty of graphic tech, and it was obvious from the release of the document. Years later it has been investigated by police sheriffs and declared a fraud by court certified specialists in multiple countries.  They have even isolated the name of the person's original true certificate used to source the forgery. Anyhow this is a serious crime and I hear that it is to be investigated by congressional committee .

kind of a long detailed and bit boring video, but that is how legal matters are properly settled
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LejYKxCwQZo

supposedly an admission of it's forgery
a short video that shows the incredible stupidity of the photoshop forgers to preserve the individual layers in the PDF format, and release it that way.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tlfo1jJCBrk

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Post  cdto2012 on Wed Mar 15, 2017 3:51 am

A few laughs for the day.

From the Telegraph UK  about

Moon rock' given to Holland by Neil Armstrong and Buzz Aldrin is fake
A moon rock given to the Dutch prime minister by Apollo 11 astronauts in 1969 has turned out to be a fake.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/science/space/6105902/Moon-rock-given-to-Holland-by-Neil-Armstrong-and-Buzz-Aldrin-is-fake.html    

It turned out to be petrified wood -  fail.

"  President Bill Clinton in his 2004 autobiography, My Life, states: "Just a month before, Apollo 11 astronauts Buzz Aldrin and Neil Armstrong had left their colleague, Michael Collins, aboard spaceship Columbia and walked on the moon...The old carpenter asked me if I really believed it happened. I said sure, I saw it on television. He disagreed; he said that he didn't believe it for a minute, that 'them television fellers' could make things look real that weren't. Back then, I thought he was a crank. During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV that made me wonder if he wasn't ahead of his time."[2]  "

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing_conspiracy_theories_in_popular_culture

" During my eight years in Washington, I saw some things on TV " this sounds like code for, I learned some things during my 8 years as president. Sorry, since when do presidents learn more from TV than they could get real answers about if they asked or saw many other things faked?

I have another question .  If the astronauts were trying to show off jumping on the moon, why didn't they jump 12 feet vertical?
If the normal person on earth could jump 2 feet, and moon gravity is six times less, then a normal jump is 12 feet I think .

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Post  long hair on Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:41 pm

what happened to the buzz inside a train that travel with 300Km/h ..can they fly with out a trouble .. if then how much speed this buzz will fly with?? .

if airplane travel between 2 cities with 575mph near the equator from west to east can it ever reach its destination city (east)??? .. notice that the '' BALL EARTH" as they claim rotate with speed of 1,000 mph
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Post  cdto2012 on Thu Mar 23, 2017 11:04 pm

This is a brilliant video about the size of the manned space capsules and the amount of storage space needed to pack in the gear, parachutes, bulky film and cameras, oversize computers, batteries, transmission, air conditioners, oxygen and water processing, and research equipment. The internal space was smaller than a full size van, the reality quickly becomes obvious that there is no way to fit the cargo.

I still might do a post on the complexity of the computing tasks and broadcast equipment and that the total memory on the computers was like 36kb, and the electronics stone age in comparison, but maybe later. Obviously not one of those old style computers would fit on board with 3 guys, and thousands of feet of wires.

If you skip through the video, make sure to see the parachutes for the craft and other highlights.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cM1EDnaXLU0

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Post  cdto2012 on Fri Mar 31, 2017 8:50 pm

For the last few days  have been wanting to do a post on the foolishness behind long term dating methods.  I have plenty of background in the subject and wish I had a flashy CGI video to share with you that is 15 minutes long and summarizes the evidence. The best I could come up with to avoid the chemistry lectures, and include some animated presentation, is the video below. It is done by a pastor, but he does cover the core points in a clear manner.
  To summarize the content,  traditional dating methods are based on flimsy unscientific assumptions. The statements apply to methods like radio carbon (C-14),  and other radioactive decay dating methods, claiming up to billions of years old.  

1. Even though the current rate of decay of radioactive materials can be measured, this does not mean that over millions of years that rate has been constant. There are many factors that effect/change decay, such as the size and closeness of the sun, atmospheric/ozone thickness blocking solar radiation, volcanic heat fluctuations, earth magnetic fields,  and so on.  It is a stretch to claim that radioactive decay rates have been constant for long times, especially since nobody was there to measure them.

2. To compare current state of radioactive components of a rock sample, against the given composition at a date a million years ago- you need to measure that starting ratio. This is a huge assumption, the starting content is not measurable or repeatable science. One of the ways the massive  ages were derived was by assuming that the rocks were around during an ancient stage of evolution or dinosaur era.
  Since evolution uses the excuse to answer the question- how does a worm become a person -- answer = millions and millions of years.  Natural selection is just survival of a few out of a pre-existing genetic pool. Mutations only bring disorder and mutated weak forms. There are not thousands of mixed expression lines like fish/human etc.  Simply life does not come from non living. The technology to bring things to life and build the complexity of a single cell in a lab is still something too high tech for our society.   It is like an explosion in a junkyard and what fell together is a fighter jet that could pilot it's self.  So all they could come up with to explain the mysteries of evolution millions of years.
  They use circular reasoning, the rocks are old because the life of that time is old. How old are the fossils? As old as the rocks they are found in. or the carbon content, assumed starting composition again.



3.  Just because a bone is found near a rock or sediment, does not mean they are associated in age. When an animal dies it is eaten and decays to soil. Only if the body is placed under special conditions does it become a fossil. Something like a flood or mudslide can put the body under pressure to preserve it.  In a mud slide the rocks have nothing in common with the body or it's age.  Also it is unwise to dig up a 50 year old animal cemetery of a Shetland mini horse and a big horse and say that it was evidence of evolution on display.
 I bring up evolution because it can be a tool of social engineering such as how the Nazis and marxists used it for survival of the fittest and to make you feel like dust in the wind. Similar to modeling you as a speck amidst the cosmos. Things you do don't really matter, there are no driving morals of ultimate directions. Just follow your educational conditioning and modeling.  

4.  There is plenty of heavy science to be investigated like pulonium radiohalos that can be observed in a current lab and give real evidence. I will leave the content on the light side. The video is worth a watch, it is interesting to see the foundations of our paradigm become illusion and assumption.

Skip to minute 16 for the evidence.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XFH6LmEz84

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Post  cdto2012 on Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:37 am

I write today recreating  the original post, featuring something that Xenon and I put together. I will say that it is random posts like this that brought understanding between us, after we argued about his pillow trauma vs DT many times. In the end I saw that he became a  helpful more positive person on the forum.
 I will finish this with evidence from MIT ( Mass. Institute of Technology) so hang in there through the texts.
The posts began talking about it people and dinosaurs could have existed at the same time periods. The words for dragon and dinosaur may have been legend or descriptive reality. The bible is old, and describes dinosaurs and people together.

Job 40:15-24King James Version (KJV)

15 Behold now behemoth, which I made with thee; he eateth grass as an ox.
16 Lo now, his strength is in his loins, and his force is in the navel of his belly.
17 He moveth his tail like a cedar: the sinews of his stones are wrapped together.
18 His bones are as strong pieces of brass; his bones are like bars of iron.
23 Behold, he drinketh up a river, and hasteth not: he trusteth that he can draw up Jordan into his mouth.

The tail like a tree is much like a brontosaur being described. It would be hard to find fossils and imagine a tree sized tail, then make that common knowledge, or while asking people to observe such a creature.

Another example :

Job 41 King James Version
41 Canst thou draw out leviathan with an hook? or his tongue with a cord which thou lettest down?
7 Canst thou fill his skin with barbed irons? or his head with fish spears?
14 Who can open the doors of his face? his teeth are terrible round about.
15 His scales are his pride, shut up together as with a close seal.
16 One is so near to another, that no air can come between them.
17 They are joined one to another, they stick together, that they cannot be sundered.
18 By his neesings a light doth shine, and his eyes are like the eyelids of the morning.
19 Out of his mouth go burning lamps, and sparks of fire leap out.
20 Out of his nostrils goeth smoke, as out of a seething pot or caldron.
21 His breath kindleth coals, and a flame goeth out of his mouth.


So this second water beast could also breathe fire. Is this foolishness or have any basis in possible reality?  Here is a modern day beetle that mixes caustic chemicals, ignites them to the temperature of boiling water, and sprays them on predators. The video is very short, but notice that the MIT scientist is still dull enough to say that he is trying to figure out how this animal evolved. Think of the process



1. Find the right plants to eat to cause the explosive gasses to mix and explode, before you ever had an explosion.
2 The chemicals are stored separately and mix to ignite, in the body,  get that wrong a few times and your development is cut off.
3.  Mix the chemicals under stress of a high speed predator attack, without blowing yourself up.  
4 Figure out the complex chemistry and toxic explosive chemicals without poisoning yourself.
5. Figure out the pulse jet propulsion systems, no metals or insulators, just flesh that can stand the chemicals and temperatures.
6. Hope that the evolutionists are wrong about random mutation chance and all the rest of the garbage about how order comes out of non order; because if there is any randomness or disorder in this process, your ass is going to blow up.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgqF-ND2XcY

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Re: What if the flat earth returned ?

Post  ninjishal on Mon Apr 10, 2017 1:14 am

When I see this kind of topic having attention I ask myself what am I doing here. I hope the intelligent people searching for natural treatments for hairloss are not hidden in another forum I couldn't find and they are actually here but not believing the earth is flat.

I once was in South America and took a flight to Australia. One of the flights were from Santiago, Chile, straight to Sydney, Australia, with Qantas airline. It took exactly 13 hours (and five minutes). On a flat earth, a straight line between these two cities would go to the north and it would take more than twice the time. The flight, obviously, was a straight line nearing the south pole. I don't understand how people can think about a flat earth and it scares me how an unintelligent notion is having so many adepts on these days, hidden behind alternative facts and dumping the straight factual truth.

Here you can see info about this flight and its path: https://flightaware.com/live/flight/QFA28/history
This simple understanding debunks any idea about a flat earth.
I would also suggest downloading google earth and playing with straight lines for the adults believing this.

PS: Sorry if you guys are not really believing the earth is flat, I just obviously wouldn't lose my time reading some long weird comments. I just saw the first ones and felt the urge to say something.

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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:30 am

Thank you for adding your perspective and offering some evidence. Plane routes are a big part of flat earth equations, and are a worthy subject.  Due to the math and measurements of parabolas I have not pursued it much,  but below is a simple video and there are plenty more.  
 As for your evidence of the time needed to make flights on a flat earth, I assume they are based on on your model that includes curvature over a northerly route ?  Of course there is no curvature on a flat earth ,  just straight lines between points. If you want to circumnavigate a flat earth, you can like the hands on a clock go around.
  Anyhow if you have a flat earth map that you want to stand behind, and offer measurements and travel times based on, it would be interesting.  There are entire video series done on this subject and it is a way to quantify evidence.  Keep in mind that much of the measurements are based on GPS systems, another black box of interest .

emergency flights that landed in strange places that make more sense on a flat earth map, but the flight paths may be similar on both maps, just trying to take the most direct route,  so not sure if this video is exact in it's demonstration.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KzmjDFv23Ng

ninjishal wrote:

PS: Sorry if you guys are not really believing the earth is flat, I just obviously wouldn't lose my time reading some long weird comments. I just saw the first ones and felt the urge to say something.

Not surprising, just saw the subject, assumed he was too smart to consider any further evidence, called anybody contemplating it foolish, and closed the case with a flight he took,  modeled on a round earth.. The kind of scientific process that is open to improvement.

Added another short video showing why the maps we commonly accept are hugely distorted.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIID5FDi2JQ

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Post  ninjishal on Mon Apr 10, 2017 5:55 am

I can't believe I'm actually replying to this. Ok, you can believe whatever you want and let me me be the naive pseudo too smart guy or whatever you want to call me. I'm not replying after anymore. You can win the discussion and be satisfied if you want.

I will not explain gravity to you. It's much more simple to show you evidence showing you simple measurements. Take a look.

Do you know a simple mathematical thing called cross-multiplication? Ok, now let's go to the next step.
Do you know looking on a flat earth map where Santiago in Chile is and where Paris and Sydney are? Take a look, it won't hurt you. Ok, next step.

On a flat earth, the distances between Santiago and both cities are quite different, Santiago to Sydney being about two times further than Santiago to Paris. On a spherical earth, the distances Between Santiago and both cities are about the same (you can check on google earth):
Santiago airport to Paris airport on a spherical real earth - 11650 km or 7240 miles
Santiago airport to Sydney airport on a spherical real and only earth - 11360 km or 7060 miles

And now the big surprise:
Santiago to Paris direct flight time: 13h50
Santiago to Sydney direct flight time: 14h10

Can you explain this? Actually, try to explain to yourself.
Sure the earth is flat. Not.

Anyway, enjoy your life. Smile

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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 7:01 am

I do give you much credit for a decent and logical piece of evidence.  My reply is based on the video about maps above, done by a round earther.  It details the massive size distortions and visual innacuracies when viewing a map that is designed for angular navigation, not representing visual relative sizes or distance. So by looking even at a normal classroom map based on a round earth,  it is very distorted and basically useless for comparative sizes or distances; especially near the poles.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIID5FDi2JQ

So my reply is simple,  what you say is true if the maps were not distorted,  but they are.  The flat earth map is not something that  was designed to be a distance accurate representation,  it is just a model that is debated even among flat earth people. For example, nobody in the FE offers a distance from the center of the map to the "edge".  It is just another distorted flattened projection, done without funding or a research team.

To be scientific about the evidence, you assume the speeds of the planes was a constant. If they needed to cover the other obvious evidence regarding curvature and rotational speeds, they could fly the plane 1/3 faster and make the flight times about the same as you mention. They do drop off the public tracking systems for these southern long hauls and it is not hard to track planes with satellite.

The subject of map making, distances and navigation is filled with lots of math that can be skewed. For example, you are on a 10,000 foot mountain, 200 miles away from the ocean. Where is sea level from there?  How far away is the beach if the curvature is dropping at 25,636 feet every 200 miles ?  calculator ( https://dizzib.github.io/earth/curve-calc/?d0=200&h0=10&unit=imperial ). I am just pointing out that there is a lot of extrapolating and assumed modeling that can skew/ distort the final result.


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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:24 am

Here is a bit of background on the basic map being considered.  It was made in the 1500's to show distances from the center of the map, not represent proper scale or distances between lands. It was not designed by modern flat earth scientists. It is referenced because it is odd that the UN uses it for a logo.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Azimuthal_equidistant_projection

"All azimuthal projections preserve the azimuth from a reference point (the conceptual center of the map), thus presenting true direction (but not necessarily distance) "


www.progonos.com/furuti/MapProj/Normal/ProjAz/projAz.html

The many distortions of map making.
https://egsc.usgs.gov/isb//pubs/MapProjections/projections.html

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Post  cdto2012 on Mon Apr 17, 2017 3:59 pm

In the spirit of the holiday, Babylon, and mammon, we can go hopping down the bunny trail following the money. Time for the NASA budget review. Or as they say, the 900 billion dollar NASA movie series.
Here is a quick summary of the current budget.
19,508,000,000  per year - 19.5 billion
Daily budget  =  53,424,657 or over 53 million USD per day

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA

With that kind of money you can buy some special effects and afford to hire people that will work on a need to know basis and keep secrets, as in many other military or governmental organizations.

  SO what are they doing with all that money ? Well trying to prove global warming ( to further redirect funds) and looking for bacteria, worms and swimming places on other planets. All of this sounds pretty worthless to the common person. We have sci fi movies to dream about, and I guess the space program might come up with some inventions, but I would expect far more for 53 million a day to try.

That 19.5 billion is enough to give 5.4 million hungry people $300 per month to eat for a year.

As with any high budget movie series,  they keep pumping out the CGI fantasy graphics and hype banners to sell the dream as seen below and more in the link.


http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-3089338/We-going-Europa-committee-assigns-18-5-billion-fund-Nasa-s-search-alien-life-mission-Jupiter-s-moon.html


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