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Post  Iwillsucceed on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:50 am

I've been reading a lot about diet, and realising just how important it is for your body, not only to stay active, but to eat a healthy diet. It's becoming quite hard to understand when I see that certain foods are great for your body on one site, then another site can basically tell you that those foods will eventually kill you. I keep on getting mixed messages and I don't know what to agree with anymore.
Apparently even meats bad for you now, have our ancestors not eaten meat for thousands of years? Is it simply just grain fed meat that is the problem? Maybe soon we'll come to the conclusion that water is bad for us lol.
My body has just not been feeling the same over the last few years, I only just turned 22 so I shouldn't be feeling this way already. I am a huge believer in the healing power of a nutrient dense diet.
My dad is quite Ill at the moment with diabetes and other health complications, I really want to help him get better. I've read a lot about correcting pH balance, and that a lot of scientists believe that the reason everyone is so sick these days is simply because of their lymphatic system not working correctly, which makes sense to me as that is the bodies natural infection or disease defence. What foods are even causing all this?
Can any of you guys maybe help me out? I figure I would have a better chance hear on this forum as you guys really seem to know your stuff. It would be greatly appreciated.

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Post  john3333 on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:04 am

Iwillsucceed wrote:I've been reading a lot about diet, and realising just how important it is for your body, not only to stay active, but to eat a healthy diet. It's becoming quite hard to understand when I see that certain foods are great for your body on one site, then another site can basically tell you that those foods will eventually kill you. I keep on getting mixed messages and I don't know what to agree with anymore.
Apparently even meats bad for you now, have our ancestors not eaten meat for thousands of years? Is it simply just grain fed meat that is the problem? Maybe soon we'll come to the conclusion that water is bad for us lol.
My body has just not been feeling the same over the last few years, I only just turned 22 so I shouldn't be feeling this way already. I am a huge believer in the healing power of a nutrient dense diet.
My dad is quite Ill at the moment with diabetes and other health complications, I really want to help him get better. I've read a lot about correcting pH balance, and that a lot of scientists believe that the reason everyone is so sick these days is simply because of their lymphatic system not working correctly, which makes sense to me as that is the bodies natural infection or disease defence. What foods are even causing all this?
Can any of you guys maybe help me out? I figure I would have a better chance hear on this forum as you guys really seem to know your stuff. It would be greatly appreciated.
The best diet is one that includes Greger's daily dozen. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-3470450/Foods-eat-day-Dr-Michael-Greger-s-Daily-Dozen.html
Avoid processed foods with little or no micronutrients like oil and sugar.

PH is important. http://nutritionfacts.org/2016/12/22/striving-for-alkaline-pee-and-acidic-poo/

Watch these videos to learn about diabetes and its cure: http://nutritionfacts.org/?fwp_search=diabetes&fwp_content_type=video



Red meat is a probable carcinogen according to the World Health Organization.

Avoid the Peatarian diet. It's bad for you.
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Post  blackjack on Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:11 pm

The healthiest diet is a whole foods diet and not being on a restrictive diets such as paleo or vegan both are equally bad.

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Post  Hairbeback on Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:10 pm

I agree with blackjack.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:05 pm

There is no correct diet for everyone. How do I know this? If you study blood chemistry (it's been proven beyond doubt), yet institutional/academic organizations are too blinded by propaganda and grant money, so the truth is obscured by trends, authors, books, etc.

Of course non-processed is preferred. No "one-sized-fits all" does apply (I agree on the prior comment).

My diet (not appropriate for all) is laden with primarily saturated fat, meat, (some pizza) and also virtually no vegetables.

Full head of hair (not always) and I've been at this longer than some on here have been alive. Again, my diet is not appropriate for all, we simply have different biochemistry.

All in all, in this day and age, diet alone will not do it anyway. I tried the vegan/vegetarian route in the early 90's in an attempt to make head-way (it did not help, nor did it hurt).



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Post  johndoe1225 on Wed Feb 08, 2017 2:41 pm

Hi CS, is that really as simple as just finding out my blood type (even with all the blood tests I've had I never bothered to check lol), and eating according to that? Basically, at least? Maybe removing or adding foods according to personal needs?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:33 am

johndoe1225 wrote:Hi CS, is that really as simple as just finding out my blood type (even with all the blood tests I've had I never bothered to check lol), and eating according to that?  Basically, at least?  Maybe removing or adding foods according to personal needs?

Unfortunately, no - The blood type (right for your type) is a different thing entirely.

There is a tight stability range with various tests. For example, calcium, phosphorous, glucose (fasting), cholesterol, triglycerides and others. Assuming one is healthy, free of observable disease, they will have a narrow range of values with these blood tests if they are eating correct for their individual biochemistry.


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Post  johndoe1225 on Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:51 am

Oh, ok thanks

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Post  Hotspur on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:29 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:My diet (not appropriate for all) is laden with primarily saturated fat, meat, (some pizza) and also virtually no vegetables.

Your diet is a prescription for heart-disease, cancer, diabetes and hair-loss. While there are some genetic variations between individuals chronic disease is a commonality among populations with this diet.


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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:23 pm

Hotspur wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:My diet (not appropriate for all) is laden with primarily saturated fat, meat, (some pizza) and also virtually no vegetables.

Your diet is a prescription for heart-disease, cancer, diabetes and hair-loss. While there are some genetic variations between individuals chronic disease is a commonality among populations with this diet.


Not correct if you read the unobscured literature.

http://longevitypost.com/is-red-meat-saturated-fat-really-so-bad/

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Post  sanderson on Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:01 pm

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Post  Hotspur on Thu Feb 09, 2017 5:44 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:

Not correct if you read the unobscured literature.

http://longevitypost.com/is-red-meat-saturated-fat-really-so-bad/

Unobscured literature. Is this your website Caustic?

I'm familiar with some of the references and citations you've raised. Eskimo's, industry funded studies, flawed study design and the echo chamber are at play here.

... Where to start?

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Post  Hairbeback on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:42 am

How can you find out what is right for you?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:39 am

Hotspur wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:

Not correct if you read the unobscured literature.

http://longevitypost.com/is-red-meat-saturated-fat-really-so-bad/

Unobscured literature. Is this your website Caustic?

I'm familiar with some of the references and citations you've raised. Eskimo's, industry funded studies, flawed study design and the echo chamber are at play here.

... Where to start?

Without testing, healthy digestion, clear skin and no symptoms. It seems today, so many are so accustomed to being sick that many symptoms experienced are considered "normal."

With testing, there are various values. I will mention a few examples if interested.

Yes, the article is mine (it's from a much older article).

I've seen "Peat-aterian's, Paleo, vegan, etc., all kinds and they either hit a good stride or slid into a health abyss.





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Post  Hotspur on Fri Feb 10, 2017 6:29 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
Without testing, healthy digestion, clear skin and no symptoms. It seems today, so many are so accustomed to being sick that many symptoms experienced are considered "normal."

With testing, there are various values. I will mention a few examples if interested.

Yes, the article is mine (it's from a much older article).

If eating pizza, a diet laden with saturated fat and (almost) no vegetables benefits some we should pick your article apart from the top.

'Interestingly, the African Masai, North American Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, French, and nomads of Tibet, all consume diets extremely high in saturated fats from animal sources yet experience low rates of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and heart disease.'

You haven't provided citations to support these views. However they may originate from outlets including Weston Price and Stefansson and were later popularized by various bloggers. In reality the reverse is true.

We can flesh out the truth of those dubious claims. However, the Horus Study is a comprehensive review of populations of hunter gatherers and related disease:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23489753

Heart-disease, cancer and diabetes are common among populations on the diet you outline. Once we've boxed this myth up we'll move onto the rest your article.

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Post  john3333 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:39 am

Hotspur wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:
Without testing, healthy digestion, clear skin and no symptoms. It seems today, so many are so accustomed to being sick that many symptoms experienced are considered "normal."

With testing, there are various values. I will mention a few examples if interested.

Yes, the article is mine (it's from a much older article).

If eating pizza, a diet laden with saturated fat and (almost) no vegetables benefits some we should pick your article apart from the top.

'Interestingly, the African Masai, North American Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, French, and nomads of Tibet, all consume diets extremely high in saturated fats from animal sources yet experience low rates of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and heart disease.'

You haven't provided citations to support these views. However they may originate from outlets including Weston Price and Stefansson and were later popularized by various bloggers. In reality the reverse is true.

We can flesh out the truth of those dubious claims. However, the Horus Study is a comprehensive review of populations of hunter gatherers and related disease:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23489753

Heart-disease, cancer and diabetes are common among populations on the diet you outline. Once we've boxed this myth up we'll move onto the rest your article.
I agree.
The Japanese, especially the Okinawans, eat a very low saturated fat diet. The Japanese are pescetarian and Okinawans were vegetarian. Fish has less saturated fat than red meat. The Japanese live long because they eat a diet rich in grains and legumes including soy, a superfood. http://nutritionfacts.org/topics/japan/
Africans are healthy because they eat a diet high in fiber. http://nutritionfacts.org/video/is-the-fiber-theory-wrong/
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:53 pm

There's plenty of references to knock out the myths associated with cholesterol and saturated fat if I bothered to take the time.

However, bear in mind that this is better evidence on what really causes it.

Furthermore, people die quicker from lower cholesterol levels. It's the calcium that kills (how it is metabolized).

http://longevitypost.com/clogged-arteries-heart-attacks/

Most important, it's my additives (supplements that help me out with my dietary discretions).

I've treated a variety of heart/cardiovascular patients. People mostly believe the misinformation.
The truth goes far beyond diet.

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Post  johndoe1225 on Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:22 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:There's plenty of references to knock out the myths associated with cholesterol and saturated fat if I bothered to take the time.

However, bear in mind that this is better evidence on what really causes it.

Furthermore, people die quicker from lower cholesterol levels. It's the calcium that kills (how it is metabolized).

http://longevitypost.com/clogged-arteries-heart-attacks/

Most important, it's my additives (supplements that help me out with my dietary discretions).

I've treated a variety of heart/cardiovascular patients. People mostly believe the misinformation.
The truth goes far beyond diet.

Agree.

Also, I've heard that Americans have the highest calcium consumption in the entire world, and also the highest rate of osteoporosis.

I make sure to take K2 every day along with D3, calcium's co-factors.

Also CS if you don't mind, I think I remember you linked to some sort of test (as a general guide) awhile ago to find the best type of diet for yourself, where was that?

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Post  sanderson on Sun Feb 12, 2017 1:15 am

johndoe1225 wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:There's plenty of references to knock out the myths associated with cholesterol and saturated fat if I bothered to take the time.

However, bear in mind that this is better evidence on what really causes it.

Furthermore, people die quicker from lower cholesterol levels. It's the calcium that kills (how it is metabolized).

http://longevitypost.com/clogged-arteries-heart-attacks/

Most important, it's my additives (supplements that help me out with my dietary discretions).

I've treated a variety of heart/cardiovascular patients. People mostly believe the misinformation.
The truth goes far beyond diet.

Agree.

Also, I've heard that Americans have the highest calcium consumption in the entire world, and also the highest rate of osteoporosis.

I make sure to take K2 every day along with D3, calcium's co-factors.

Also CS if you don't mind, I think I remember you linked to some sort of test (as a general guide) awhile ago to find the best type of diet for yourself, where was that?

im not really sure i buy that... from people i have seen, they dont get nearly enough calcium.. calcium is not bad... it's when you dont have enough that it is bad.
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Post  Hairbeback on Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:06 am

[quote="Nutrition research is relevant to your own body. If you don't experiment with your body, you're setting yourself up to being scammed. Without self-experimentation, reading research is an exercise in confirmation bias. Researchers will always conclude what you want to hear. It's the exact opposite of science to spend time reading benefits & risks of foods but never experiment with removing them from your diet Reading plenty of research papers & never experimenting on yourself is the most anti-scientific method you can follow in life.

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Post  Hotspur on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:43 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:There's plenty of references to knock out the myths associated with cholesterol and saturated fat if I bothered to take the time.

No worries. For the benefit of this board can you clarify something for us? Do you still stand behind this statement:

'Interestingly, the African Masai, North American Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, French, and nomads of Tibet, all consume diets extremely high in saturated fats from animal sources yet experience low rates of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and heart disease.'

Because the reverse is true. After this we'll look at the American Egg Board study you cited. I like to go through the truth systematically. I know you're busy but I want this message board to have clarity.

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Post  Iwillsucceed on Sun Feb 12, 2017 11:33 pm

So would one recommend an anti-inflammatory diet? If it is correct that chronic inflammation is at the root cause of most diseases, would this not be the best approach?

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Post  sanderson on Mon Feb 13, 2017 2:37 am

Hotspur wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:There's plenty of references to knock out the myths associated with cholesterol and saturated fat if I bothered to take the time.

No worries. For the benefit of this board can you clarify something for us? Do you still stand behind this statement:

'Interestingly, the African Masai, North American Eskimos, Japanese, Greeks, French, and nomads of Tibet, all consume diets extremely high in saturated fats from animal sources yet experience low rates of high blood pressure, high cholesterol, and heart disease.'

Because the reverse is true. After this we'll look at the American Egg Board study you cited. I like to go through the truth systematically. I know you're busy but I want this message board to have clarity.

theres no way u can get high cholesterol from eating saturated fats... no way, you would get so fat so fast, unless you are a huge fatty, that's the only way your cholesterol would go up from eating saturated fats, your liver produces most of the cholesterol in your body

if u have "high cholesterol", really you have low thyroid
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Post  HealMyGut on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:43 am

LDL Cholesterol is increased to high levels by eating too much sugar (fructose). The human body is not conditioned to eat as much as we do. The liver has to process fructose, and the high levels cause a myriad of conditions of which high cholesterol is one. It's not not saturated fat as the establishment still wants us to believe, as a few people on here have mentioned already.

I have been searching for a healthy diet for a number of years having struggled with digestive problems for most of my life. I got diagnosed with Coeliac a few years ago, and after a bit of research realised that that was just the tip of the iceberg. There are a multitude of foods that humans can have problems digesting. You have only to look at our ancestors diets - i'm thinking millions of years ago - not the last few thousand years to realise that we evolved to eat a meat based diet, with a few vegetables, berries etc. thrown in.

The much talked about Paleo diet has a lot of good reasoning behind it. There was also a lot of work done by Weston Price who found that grains contained far too many anti-nutrients for humans to digest properly, simply because we havn't got the in built enzymes.

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Post  sanderson on Mon Feb 13, 2017 3:57 am

HealMyGut wrote:LDL Cholesterol is increased to high levels by eating too much sugar (fructose). The human body is not conditioned to eat as much as we do. The liver has to process fructose, and the high levels cause a myriad of conditions of which high cholesterol is one. It's not not saturated fat as the establishment still wants us to believe, as a few people on here have mentioned already.

I have been searching for a healthy diet for a number of years having struggled with digestive problems for most of my life. I got diagnosed with Coeliac a few years ago, and after a bit of research realised that that was just the tip of the iceberg. There are a multitude of foods that humans can have problems digesting. You have only to look at our ancestors diets - i'm thinking millions of years ago - not the last few thousand years to realise that we evolved to eat a meat based diet, with a few vegetables, berries etc. thrown in.

The much talked about Paleo diet has a lot of good reasoning behind it. There was also a lot of work done by Weston Price who found that grains contained far too many anti-nutrients for humans to digest properly, simply because we havn't got the in built enzymes.

this is accurate.... but testosterone, progesterone, pregnenlone, etc. all the protective hormones are made from cholesterol... cholesterol is not bad for you... if you take thyroid, your cholesterol will drop, and more protective hormones will be made... i would like high cholesterol. Very Happy
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