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Post  john3333 on Tue Oct 24, 2017 7:13 pm

About NoSex: Obviously if you're trying to get her pregnant or maybe build a connection, you need to have sex with her.

Many cultures frown upon orgasm.
For example:

In traditional Hindu spirituality, semen is described as a "vital fluid". The discharge of this "vital fluid", either through sex or masturbation, is associated with marked feelings of anxiety and dysphoria. Often the patient describes the loss of a whitish fluid while passing urine. At other times, marked feelings of guilt associated with what the patient assumes is "excessive" masturbation are noted.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dhat_syndrome
There seems to be good reasons people should continue avoiding masturbation.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:Post-orgasmic_diseases
In Wikipedia there are are at least four post-orgasmic diseases.

Post-coital tristesse (PCT) or post-coital dysphoria (PCD) is the feeling of sadness, anxiety, agitation or aggression after sexual intercourse. Its name comes from New Latin postcoitalis and French tristesse, literally "sadness". Many people with PCT may exhibit strong feelings of anxiety lasting from five minutes to two hours after coitus.

Postorgasmic illness syndrome (POIS) is a syndrome in which men have severe cognitive and physical symptoms immediately following ejaculation in the absence of a local genital reaction

Sexual headaches, also known as coital cephalalgia, are a rare type of headache that occur in the skull and neck during sexual activity, including masturbation or orgasm.
Most of these diseases seem to be rare, but science shows that most people may be negatively affected.

Masturbation increases adrenaline..
Adrenaline is a hormone that activates the fight-or-flight response. Common side effects of adrenaline include shakiness, anxiety, and sweating. Masturbation leads to the loss of melatonin, a hormone that helps you sleep, because semen contains melatonin.
In simple terms, what this means is that masturbating will make it harder for you to fall asleep since you're in the fight-or-flight mode instead of the sleeping mode. Orgasm -> Sleep deprivation

Why sleep deprivation matters: Most of us are here to become more attractive to find our soulmates. Sleep deprivation makes people ugly(dark circles under eyes, accelerated aging, hairloss)

The risks associated with orgasm are very real. Sex is known to DOUBLE your risk of a heart attack one hour after. "For those who do little or no exercise, the risk increases four-fold."

Individuals with pornography addiction may report depression, social isolation, career loss, decreased productivity, or financial consequences as a result of their excessive Internet pornography viewing impeding on their social life.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_addiction

Masturbation decreases testosterone..

And finally, what seems to be the site with the most comprehensive research on NoPorn: https://www.yourbrainonporn.com/research-articles-and-abstracts

The first step to recovering from this addiction may be to understand that all of the diseases above are sexually transmitted diseases, by definition. They are not as bad as AIDS for sure, but they are still bad.
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Post  Joey Ramone on Wed Oct 25, 2017 12:05 am

Look into Mantak Chia if you're concerned about orgasming.

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Post  imprisoned-radical on Tue Oct 31, 2017 11:26 am

I did not have POIS until I experienced a series of crushing defeats in life. To be specific, relationship failure and career failure. Until these disappointments, I had no symptoms.

Based on that observation, I would say that the effects are psychosomatic but nevertheless real. It saps your determination to go out into the world and overcome challenges.

I have observed that particularly with men, the most successful men show self-restraint. They are not overly sexual.

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Post  john3333 on Wed Nov 15, 2017 12:14 pm

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Post  cdto2012 on Thu Nov 16, 2017 3:08 pm

It is a fine experiment to be disciplined and try things. I was celibate from 19-27 years old, of course that was when I lost most of my hair. Now I have an abundance of great women to choose from, and enjoy. I have never noticed a correlation between sex and hairloss, beyond nutritional depletion due to needing to reproduce much spent seed. Even then, during my regrow, the correlation to hairloss was not noticeable, and there were plenty of times that I was plenty spent.

In essence, in my experience, it is just a compounding of misery to deny myself the few enjoyable motivating things left in life. I do not see enough true regrow due to not orgasm documentation. Also I have a vasectomy after 32, long after I lost most of my hair, but guys with this operation never loose their sperm, and plenty of them are bald. As I heard on of the moderators reason. Why regrow your hair to get the ladies, and deny yourself of the ladies at the same time ?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Nov 17, 2017 2:34 am

Many years ago I used to make frequent posts about the primary mechanism behind why some men who may ejaculate excessively and why that could cause hair loss.

Before I get to that, denying a man's chemical needs to potentiate a higher form of motivation seems utterly pointless. Why not have your girls and your hair too?

To describe the condition that some men have involves a generous secretion of prolactin. Some of the medical terms to describe this are "Hyperprolactinemia" which is a hypersecretion of prolactin or one of the latest "medicalese" terms I've come across is "macroprolactinemia."

One of the most basic ways to keep prolactin levels closer to normal, is to maintain vitamin D status.

On a similar note, low vitamin D status is also associated with erectile dysfunction in men.

In my particular case, using a natural supplement methodology to maintain and grow my hair also helped optimize sexual functioning. A win-win situation.

Due note that it takes a few months (usually 4) to get hormone D levels up to normal. It isn't a vitamin, it is a hormone.
And to go on further, there are co-factors to vitamin D which allow it to work better.


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Post  SonofOdin on Fri Nov 17, 2017 8:50 pm

If you don't have the funds to get regular bloodwork done to check vitamin D levels, would it be better not to touch vitamin D supplementation at all? Or to do a conservative dosage of 2000iu/day, maybe up to 5000iu? I know this is hard to answer. I live in Seattle so I don't get a lot of sun so it's been a concern of mine, but I still don't have the money to drop on getting regular blood testing done.

Also, beyond taking a vitamin K2 supp, what else should be taken alongside Vitamin D?
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Nov 18, 2017 3:52 am

SonofOdin wrote:If you don't have the funds to get regular bloodwork done to check vitamin D levels, would it be better not to touch vitamin D supplementation at all? Or to do a conservative dosage of 2000iu/day, maybe up to 5000iu? I know this is hard to answer. I live in Seattle so I don't get a lot of sun so it's been a concern of mine, but I still don't have the money to drop on getting regular blood testing done.

Also, beyond taking a vitamin K2 supp, what else should be taken alongside Vitamin D?

Wouldn't worry about testing. Instead, 5,000 IU per day for 4-months is nearly impossible to cause any harm. It would be a good assessment to reveal any benefits.

If you begin to feel after 4 months, a lift in mood, pain reduction, etc. It's a good sign.

Co-factors, mainly zinc, magnesium (K2 would be great), however you could acquire it vegetable fermentation. There are others such as boron, but if money is tight, zinc and magnesium should be enough.


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Post  Xenon on Tue Nov 21, 2017 5:37 am

I went no fap last year, around late December, then decided to come off the boards. I abstained up until March, and saw no signs of regrowth, so pretty much gave up hope. However, 2 weeks later, I see some acne on both temples, and as I look close I see new hairs growing through these spots. This was not my eyes screwing with me either... definitely new hairs in places where hair hadn't grown since 1995. They were blonde hairs, but clearly thicker and longer, and definitely about to turn terminal (as I had witnessed a couple of times before).

Anyway, I fell back into the habit again because I found that remaining without an orgasm for such a long time leads to bad depression, and the only way to lift this depression, I felt, was to pretty much binge on orgasms. I'm not entirely sure why this depression seems to coincide with prolonged no fap, perhaps due to a decrease in dopamine levels, IDK. Oh, and I bet you can guess what happened when I started doing fapping heavily again? Yes, further, though slight, recession.

So, here I am again - back to square one - except now I'm being more realistic in my approach and will fap once per month, and no more. First month back in, and so far, I'm OK with that. However, I don't know if this minimum level of fap will interfere with regrowth. If so, then this is a pretty pointless method because, in reality, we can't go the rest of our days without fap / sex / orgasm. If not, and I see something significant within a year, then I can tolerate one orgasm per month, if it means my hair line will regenerate.

The only reason why I'm slightly optimistic that this method could restore the entirety of the hair line, is down to the fact that some sporadic hairs turn terminal even after 22 years of being redundant (in my own case). If they can regenerate, then perhaps the rest will also. Here's hoping at least.

I will keep you all posted on my progress, or lack thereof in the coming months.

@cdto I think you suffered diffuse hairloss, right? Many of us have noticed that excessive fapping only seems to affect the hair line. Many receders have contacted me to also tell me that abstinence helped them regrow hairline hairs, but I've heard from diffuse balders that abstinence did nothing for the return of their hair, and one even claimed he went 18 months no fap. Therefore, I wonder if excess fap only has an adverse affect upon the temple hair? For me, this is the only area where I have gone bald.
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Post  MovieJunkie89 on Tue Nov 28, 2017 2:51 pm

Looking back...Masturbation was the #1 cause of hair loss for me. My Dad had aggressive MPB and went bald in his mid to late 20s, my uncles also went bald but they lost their hair a few years later after my Dad. A few years ago when I started noticing some very slight hair loss I got paranoid and thought that it was MPB kicking in. It was at that time I joined this forum. I used to spend hours on here reading up on what I could do to stop my hair loss. Funny cause at times I would feel so stressed out and go fap after logging off, talk about shooting yourself in the foot...

I remember back in 2009 or so we were about to have a family gathering and both me and one of my older cousins were styling our hair. I believe I was 20 at the time, while my cousin was 23, both of us with extremely thick, full heads of hair. And then the topic of hair loss came up. I remember complaining to my cousin that one day both of us would likely go bald since MPB ran in the family, after all both of our dads were bald along with most the older males in the family. My cousin looked at me and laughed and said "YOU are going to go bald if you don't chill out with the porn, I NEVER will go bald because I don't fap" or something along those lines. Right away, I started denying that I fapped and that MPB runs in the family anyway so it was inevitable. My cousin continued to style his hair and was just very dismissive about the entire thing, and basically told me to stop lying and drop fapping ASAP or else my hair would suffer for it later on.

Well what do you know? Flash forward to 2017, I'm 28 now and my cousin is 31 with a full head of hair, he truly never lost any hair just like he confidently predicted. I would say I have about 95% of my hair but that was because I discovered this forum very shortly after my hair loss had begun. It took me a very long time to even realize that fapping was slowly wrecking my hair, and it also took me awhile to undo the damage I had done to my hair. If I hadn't found this forum I probably would have continued fapping excessively all while thinking I had some kind of inevitable curse of MPB that was coming true. Something else I find interesting is that around 24-25 I really started getting extremely hairy (I was fapping like a madman at that point, I'm talking hours of porn daily smh), like having to shave my face almost daily and having to shave my chest every few days. Meanwhile, my cousin who is 3 years older barely has any facial or body hair till this day.

Here's what I think...some guys can fap and bang chicks all day and not lose any hair. Other guys can abstain from any sexual activity yet still experience hair loss anyway. And then you've got guys like myself whose hair loss is triggered by excessive masturbation but can be shut off by abstinence. My hair loss (Which tbh was minor) stopped a few months after starting NoFap in Early 2016. After that I got into doing DT and then later DT-CPR aggressively breaking down any calcification in my scalp. And then the Green Tea/Coconut shampoo helped me with regrowth. Every now and then I'll slip up and fap but that's usually once every 5-6 months or so. I probably fap like 3 times a year now whereas when I was younger I was fapping 3-4 times daily. My hair and life are so much better because of NoFap. Guys let go of the porn, you'll do better attracting women when you're on NoFap anyway.

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Post  Xenon on Wed Nov 29, 2017 8:35 am

Yep, without a shadow of a doubt, fapping in my early years led to premature hairline recession, but this was also accelerated by continuous combing. What I realized was, fapping leads to immune attack in follicles. The jury is out on the precise underlying mechanism, but, from what I've gathered it seems to be connected to elevated PGD2 and DHT. PGD2 causes certain cytokines to bind to the PG receptor in follicles which then initiates an inflammatory response. Not only does this happen, but this prostaglandin seems to also program the hair bulge to reduce it's number of progenitor cells, thus causing the follicle to enter into and remain in telogen phase.

As mentioned, these follicles are already in a state of high immunoreactivity, so any other stressor (such as excessive combing or compression) just causes further injury, and accelerated baldness.
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