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The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  ju young on Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:52 pm

After extensive research, communications, and a face to face meeting with the distributor of Seanol, this is my opinion of what is happening with Seanol.

The ecklonia cava extraction method was patented by a South Korean chemist and his team (patents 6,384,085 and 6,774,145). You can view the patents at http://patft.uspto.gov
The pure ecklonia cava extract is produced and bulk packaged in South Korea by LiveChem.
LiveChem has an exclusive agreement with the company Simply Healthy to distribute the ecklonia cava extract in the US.

Simply Healthy trademarked the name Seanol for US distribution of the ecklonia cava extact. The trademark SN is 78442876 and searchable at http://www.uspto.gov/main/profiles/acadres.htm
The pure ecklonia cava extract is sent by Simply Healthy to an encapsulation company, which adds fillers to the pure ecklonia cava extract. This new mixture is then called Seanol-F and contains only a very small fraction of ecklonia cava extract. This is the only form used in FibroBoost and the only ingestible form of ecklonia cava extract currently sold in the US to my knowledge. As one can see, they do not list the percentage of actual ecklonia cava extract in Seanol-F, unlike any other supplement extract.

Pure ecklonia cava extract, unaltered from South Korea is called called Seanol-P for “pure” and is almost black in color. As far as I know, Seanol-P has never been distributed by Simply Healthy.
Simply Healthy gave the approval for JP Renew to sell Seanol-F under the name FibroBoost and Fibronol (SN 78685940, SN 78578748). All bulk purchasers of the Seanol ingredient, whether through JP Renew or not, must get ultimate approval from Simply Healthy. JP Renew has marketed FibroBoost so effectively that Seanol-F has become synonymous with FibroBoost.

From what I have found, most research with Seanol-F has not been done in independent double-blinded studies. Take a look at who conducted the studies and what the conditions of the studies have been. You can find these on the JP Renew website. (Eckonia cava and pure eckonia cava extract on the other hand have been studied and shown to have antioxidant properties.)

The product Seanol is all from the same source, no matter what brand name it is sold under. All Seanol commercially available is Seanol-F. Seanol-F is so diluted by fillers that I cannot imagine it having any effect on hair loss, unless you want to take a bottle a day. Regarding Dr.'s Best, I believe they simply forgot to add the “F” at the end of Seanol on the label. Seanol-F is NOT pure Eclonia Cava extract.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:31 pm

nicholas - Interesting information, but perhaps a bit of a harsh point. I have no doubt of it's efficacy (Seanol-F). I've used it since 2007 with great results. A few members here discovered that the source is the same, but there might be other differences with respect to Doctor's Best and Nutricology. Irregardless the proof is in the user and there's more than a few that have noticed a difference.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:48 pm

Very few extracts are 100% pure. Oleuropein from oliver leaf can be obained in 5%, 10%, 20% from different vendors. A 100% extract might have a severe side effects, or problems to absorp (think curcumin 95%). Fibroboost WORKS, I know that since I have observed it very closely "in the field" among elderly and sick. It is a very powerful supplement.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:14 pm

Btw the swanson Seanol product list the phlorotannin as 13%

Who knows if vendors will begin to compete with higher percentages.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWU497/ItemDetail?n=4294967187

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:24 pm

Has anyone tried this?
http://entropower.com/

It's an energy drink with seanol..

I just found out that mitol is also another form of ecklonia cava extract by livechem. However, it's for topical applications.

http://www.fibronol.com/algaeax.html

I wonder if it would be a decent topical.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:26 pm

btw, has anyone tried this brand?

http://www.fibronol.com/fibroboost.html

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:06 pm

Interesting with that topical formulation. Here is some info on MITOL which is actually an extract from Seanol

About Mitol™

MITOL™ is a patented polyphenol extract from the Ecklonia cava brown algae that grows off the coasts of Korea and Japan. It is the result of more than 15 years and over $35 million dollars of developmental research. The extraction process first produces SEANOL®, an ingestible polyphenol used in capsule and tablet products. MITOL is then extracted from SEANOL and is a significantly more purified and potent form of polyphenol specificallydeveloped for topical applications.

Some of the primary healing properties of these polyphenols include:
Fibroboost Strong anti-inflammatory effects that both heal and protect.
Fibroboost Significant improvement in blood flows and promotion of circulatory system health.
Fibroboost Strong anti-oxidant scavenging of free radicals promotes healthy cellular function and eliminates a key source of oxidative stress known to impair cellular health.

Inflammation is associated with of a number of chronic conditions that impair or otherwise interfere with everyday living activities by adversely impacting joint health and function, including joint strength, flexibility and endurance. Long-term chronic joint discomfort often arises from inflammation and degradation of cartilage in the joint that may also cause damage to surrounding tissue resulting in further discomfort.

The healing powers of MITOL arise primarily from stimulating blood circulation and promoting healthy cellular function around the inflamed areas potentially leading to reduction or elimination of discomfort in muscles, joints and surrounding tissue.


http://www.jprenew.com/seanol

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:34 pm

You can find more info on mitol (and seanol) at livechem's website: http://www.livechem.com/new_eng/product/product02.php

*Use IE to browse around there as i had problems clicking some of their tabs through firefox.

The thing i don't like about Algaea-X, which is one of the few mitol containing topicals commercially available (at least on this continent), are some of the ingredients.

http://seanol-f.com/product_info.php?products_id=3

Butylene Glycol, Propylparaben, Methylparaben, Hydrogenated Vegetable Oil, Fragrance, etc.

They even have cholesterol as one of their ingredients (weird..)

But, seriously, hydrogenated vegetable oil? wtf

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:50 pm

jksl, yeah seriously that sucks with those ingredients. Pretty much ruin the product. GSE could replace those parabens but the preservative industry managed to discredit GSE enough, a shame.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:51 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:there might be other differences with respect to Doctor's Best and Nutricology.

Yeah, i think so too, looking at their ingredients.

Doctor's Best: Vegetable capsule, rice powder, magnesium stearate (vegetable source)

JP Renew: Vegetable Cellulose (Preservative-Free, from Capsule Shell), Cellulose, and Palm Kernel Stearate.

Swanson's: Dextrin, cellulose, magnesium stearate, rice flour

Nutricology: Hydroxypropyl methylcellulose, cellulose, magnesium stearate

Looks like doctor's best has two fillers in there: the rice powder and the mag stearate. But, it looks like Swanson's is the worst when it comes to the number of 'other ingredients'.

If only JP Renew's prices were lower i'd give it a try. I found a seller on ebay who was auctioning them for 18 dollars, but the bids ended a month ago.

http://cgi.ebay.com.my/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=270417908213

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:54 pm

P.S. I would really love to try seanol-P. I wonder if there is any way to make that happen.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  europe on Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:16 pm

jksl - would like to try seanol-p ?

Seanol-F to Seanol-P , so easy to trick the label on the bottle...and it works ! i already fell better !

i'm jocking fellers...

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  hapyman on Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:28 am

I just found out that mitol is also another form of ecklonia cava extract by livechem. However, it's for topical applications.

I have been thinking about this recently. Somehow increasing the endogenous antioxidants topically. Seanol is a fat soluble antioxidant and so are curcuminoids. I was wondering if it would be worth it to empty some caps in either some Castor Oil, CCO, or Emu Oil (or some combination of). Those oils have shown their ability to carry fat soluble molecules into tissues.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  hapyman on Thu Aug 06, 2009 2:42 am

If you look at Livechem's website, under the business section they have a list of their customers. "Allergy Research Group" is listed, however "Dr. Best's" is not.

Just searching through the other customers websites I see there is a couple other products with Mitol but nothing to get excited about.

Maybe we can get a group buy of Mitol from LiveChem Very Happy

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  curt504 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:18 pm

Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  tommmash on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:57 pm

curt504 wrote:Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

curt

I guess that IH reccomends just Nutricology´s
http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-FibroBoost-75-Veggie-Caps/7777?at=0
and nothing else.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:49 am

curt504 wrote:Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

curt

oh man, i really hope it's the real deal. i mean, i hope it's the authentic extract from LiveChem. I'm kind of iffy and reluctant to take supps with fillers. This would be great. Their Algoran-AR product looks fantastic as well.

Zinc (Aspartate) -----------------5 mg
Magnesium (Glycinate) ---------30 mg

Ecklonia Cava Extract 98.8% pure -----300 mg
MSM

Other Ingredients: Methyl Cellulose

No fillers! The zinc and magnesium is perfect for sleep and you can't really overdose on that 5 mg of zinc either. Seems like a great adjunct to the Pauling protocol (especially since vitamin c is an antagonist to zinc). My only question is, how much MSM is in there?

Wonder if it can be used as a topical as well (talking about the pure EC powder). Emu oil + Ecklonia Cava extract (+ ethyl alcohol) ? Or would that be a waste?

Really wanna try this, but kind of hesitant since the company doesn't look too reputable. Anyone else think they might wanna try their EC?

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:53 am

Please do not buy Doctor's Best Ecklonia cava/Fibroboost. For reasons unknown it doesn't seem to be effective. Buy Nutricology/Allergy Research Group instead.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  curt504 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:49 pm

My report on 3 weeks on Nutricoloy EC, 3 caps morning and night. No physical / hair difference noticed. My main interest was for body wide anti-inflammatory benefits, not particularly hair.

I'm prone to inflammation in my shoulders / connective tissue, hips etc and feel from experience I'm a canary in the mine for compounds that reduce inflammation. My shoulders at least have not noticed any change. They still twinge at night sleeping on them (rotating to keep from stressing just one side) and during the day especially in the morning. I've had rotatorcuf in each shoulder that B-12 injections nightly, 1000mcg-2000mcg each, was the only anti-inflammatory protocol that worked to relax the locked shoulder into painless function. BTW B-12 injections is not well documented on the net. Football team Drs do preventative damage B-12 injections into knees etc. It's the only protocol that relaxed my knotted up tendons in the back side of my shoulders.

I haven't added curcumin yet and am planning on comparing LEF's bio-curcurmin vs Super Curcumin C3 w/Bioperine® 1000mg-60 Tabs TIME RELEASE
http://www.agelesscures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=1&gclid=CLPnlLfazZwCFVRc2godAGUiHg

Maybe EC isn't that effective at reducing general inflammation or ??? don't know. I bought 3 bottles of 60 so I'll run the entire course to see for sure. I'm almost finished with the first bottle.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:06 pm

curt - have you tried 5-LOXIN? It is a Boswellia extract for joint pains.

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Is that really the Truth about Seanol

Post  mtcglobal on Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:22 pm

It seems to me that if your going to judge a product, you need to truly know and understand that product. and the only real way to understand and know a product is to experience that product thus you must put it to the test-Use it-.
So are you really qualified to give a true and accurate assessment of seanol? You can throw numbers and percentages around all day, but at the end of the day, the real question is, "does the product work"?
before a friend told me about Seanol-F, about one year ago, I was suffering from arthritis in both of my shoulders. My wife will agree that I could not sleep at night. We searched diligently for a rub or cream that would help ease the pain enough for me to sleep at night, with very little luck. My Doctor diagnosed me with arthritis in both shoulders. Life was very difficult for me, I did not want to take the chemical drugs that he wanted me to take. I was searching for a natural alternative.
So does Seanol-F work? I will tell you, shortly after starting the daily regimen of Seanol-f, the pain in my shoulders stopped. I believe that it even has helped repair the damage, now when I lift weights my shoulders no longer make that grinding noise.
I am 50 years old. I am now back in the gym working out regularly, I run 3 to 4 times a week. I feel great, I have absolutely no pain in my body and I take no chemical medications.
Thank you Seanol-F

Michael
www.seanol-f.com

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Are you a represenative of that company?

Post  Jocko59 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:11 am

Just curious, because that reads like an advertisement. And how exactly is that product different (if at all) from Nutricolony Fibroboost? Same Seanol-F Eckonia Cava it looks like.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  tao81 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:42 am

looks like spam for me.
But what´s about algoran? Is it a descent extract?
They say 98%- but even if it was a litte bit lower e.g.80% it would still be better than seanol in terms of money??

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:52 am

tao81 - I believe the difference between Algoran and Seanol in Fibroboost is the following:

Algoran maybe 98% Ecklonia Cava, but Seanol is an extract of the active constituents in Ecklonia cava. That all being said, the feedback I've received from real users is that Fibroboost is superior, even though it contains a reported 13% Seanol.

So 13% Seanol is probably more potent than 98% Ecklonia Extract.

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Swansonvitamins

Post  gregslater on Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:34 pm

Looks like Swansonvitamins has gotten back in the market with their 53mg/cap of 98.8% pure extract.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR053

Because I'm making a big order now I'll give it a whirl.

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