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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  tommmash on Fri Aug 14, 2009 11:57 pm

curt504 wrote:Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

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I guess that IH reccomends just Nutricology´s
http://www.iherb.com/Allergy-Research-Group-Nutricology-FibroBoost-75-Veggie-Caps/7777?at=0
and nothing else.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  jksl on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:49 am

curt504 wrote:Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

curt

oh man, i really hope it's the real deal. i mean, i hope it's the authentic extract from LiveChem. I'm kind of iffy and reluctant to take supps with fillers. This would be great. Their Algoran-AR product looks fantastic as well.

Zinc (Aspartate) -----------------5 mg
Magnesium (Glycinate) ---------30 mg

Ecklonia Cava Extract 98.8% pure -----300 mg
MSM

Other Ingredients: Methyl Cellulose

No fillers! The zinc and magnesium is perfect for sleep and you can't really overdose on that 5 mg of zinc either. Seems like a great adjunct to the Pauling protocol (especially since vitamin c is an antagonist to zinc). My only question is, how much MSM is in there?

Wonder if it can be used as a topical as well (talking about the pure EC powder). Emu oil + Ecklonia Cava extract (+ ethyl alcohol) ? Or would that be a waste?

Really wanna try this, but kind of hesitant since the company doesn't look too reputable. Anyone else think they might wanna try their EC?

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Aug 15, 2009 11:53 am

Please do not buy Doctor's Best Ecklonia cava/Fibroboost. For reasons unknown it doesn't seem to be effective. Buy Nutricology/Allergy Research Group instead.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  curt504 on Mon Aug 31, 2009 10:49 pm

My report on 3 weeks on Nutricoloy EC, 3 caps morning and night. No physical / hair difference noticed. My main interest was for body wide anti-inflammatory benefits, not particularly hair.

I'm prone to inflammation in my shoulders / connective tissue, hips etc and feel from experience I'm a canary in the mine for compounds that reduce inflammation. My shoulders at least have not noticed any change. They still twinge at night sleeping on them (rotating to keep from stressing just one side) and during the day especially in the morning. I've had rotatorcuf in each shoulder that B-12 injections nightly, 1000mcg-2000mcg each, was the only anti-inflammatory protocol that worked to relax the locked shoulder into painless function. BTW B-12 injections is not well documented on the net. Football team Drs do preventative damage B-12 injections into knees etc. It's the only protocol that relaxed my knotted up tendons in the back side of my shoulders.

I haven't added curcumin yet and am planning on comparing LEF's bio-curcurmin vs Super Curcumin C3 w/BioperineŽ 1000mg-60 Tabs TIME RELEASE
http://www.agelesscures.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=3&products_id=1&gclid=CLPnlLfazZwCFVRc2godAGUiHg

Maybe EC isn't that effective at reducing general inflammation or ??? don't know. I bought 3 bottles of 60 so I'll run the entire course to see for sure. I'm almost finished with the first bottle.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Amaranthaceae on Mon Aug 31, 2009 11:06 pm

curt - have you tried 5-LOXIN? It is a Boswellia extract for joint pains.

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Is that really the Truth about Seanol

Post  mtcglobal on Thu Jun 03, 2010 9:22 pm

It seems to me that if your going to judge a product, you need to truly know and understand that product. and the only real way to understand and know a product is to experience that product thus you must put it to the test-Use it-.
So are you really qualified to give a true and accurate assessment of seanol? You can throw numbers and percentages around all day, but at the end of the day, the real question is, "does the product work"?
before a friend told me about Seanol-F, about one year ago, I was suffering from arthritis in both of my shoulders. My wife will agree that I could not sleep at night. We searched diligently for a rub or cream that would help ease the pain enough for me to sleep at night, with very little luck. My Doctor diagnosed me with arthritis in both shoulders. Life was very difficult for me, I did not want to take the chemical drugs that he wanted me to take. I was searching for a natural alternative.
So does Seanol-F work? I will tell you, shortly after starting the daily regimen of Seanol-f, the pain in my shoulders stopped. I believe that it even has helped repair the damage, now when I lift weights my shoulders no longer make that grinding noise.
I am 50 years old. I am now back in the gym working out regularly, I run 3 to 4 times a week. I feel great, I have absolutely no pain in my body and I take no chemical medications.
Thank you Seanol-F

Michael
www.seanol-f.com

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Are you a represenative of that company?

Post  Jocko59 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:11 am

Just curious, because that reads like an advertisement. And how exactly is that product different (if at all) from Nutricolony Fibroboost? Same Seanol-F Eckonia Cava it looks like.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  tao81 on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:42 am

looks like spam for me.
But what´s about algoran? Is it a descent extract?
They say 98%- but even if it was a litte bit lower e.g.80% it would still be better than seanol in terms of money??

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Jun 04, 2010 7:52 am

tao81 - I believe the difference between Algoran and Seanol in Fibroboost is the following:

Algoran maybe 98% Ecklonia Cava, but Seanol is an extract of the active constituents in Ecklonia cava. That all being said, the feedback I've received from real users is that Fibroboost is superior, even though it contains a reported 13% Seanol.

So 13% Seanol is probably more potent than 98% Ecklonia Extract.

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Swansonvitamins

Post  gregslater on Tue Jul 27, 2010 6:34 pm

Looks like Swansonvitamins has gotten back in the market with their 53mg/cap of 98.8% pure extract.

http://www.swansonvitamins.com/SWR053

Because I'm making a big order now I'll give it a whirl.

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Seanol vs. Ecklonia cava

Post  nick309 on Tue Sep 07, 2010 8:59 am

Maybe everyone should read this article on Seanol.

http://www.fmnetnews.com/resources-alert-product3.php

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  Admin on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:22 am

I've been presented with the above article no less than a few dozen times since it came out, some 4 years ago. It's strictly an opinion piece, and it seems mighty suspicious. The reason is that organizations typically feel threatened with something comes along to offer help for a condition they expect to never have help for. Is it the money? I do not know. It's a lot like Alzheimer's associations trying to bury the positive effects of niacinamide.

Fibromyalgia is a very difficult condition to treat, and if something as fundamental as thyroid is not addressed, there isn't a lot what will provide relief. I would not expect too many single substances to work on everyone.

In the last few years a number of studies continue to validate ECE's powerful effects. If I had to take only one thing, this would be it.


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Seanol vs. Ecklonia cava

Post  nick309 on Tue Sep 07, 2010 9:38 am

I have a friend who had Fibromyalgia. She's been on Algoran-FS and her fibromyalgia does not bother her anymore. However, she has not tried Seanol so it's difficult to say if it would of had the same effect.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  fender89 on Tue Sep 07, 2010 11:32 am

mtcglobal wrote:It seems to me that if your going to judge a product, you need to truly know and understand that product. and the only real way to understand and know a product is to experience that product thus you must put it to the test-Use it-.
So are you really qualified to give a true and accurate assessment of seanol? You can throw numbers and percentages around all day, but at the end of the day, the real question is, "does the product work"?
before a friend told me about Seanol-F, about one year ago, I was suffering from arthritis in both of my shoulders. My wife will agree that I could not sleep at night. We searched diligently for a rub or cream that would help ease the pain enough for me to sleep at night, with very little luck. My Doctor diagnosed me with arthritis in both shoulders. Life was very difficult for me, I did not want to take the chemical drugs that he wanted me to take. I was searching for a natural alternative.
So does Seanol-F work? I will tell you, shortly after starting the daily regimen of Seanol-f, the pain in my shoulders stopped. I believe that it even has helped repair the damage, now when I lift weights my shoulders no longer make that grinding noise.
I am 50 years old. I am now back in the gym working out regularly, I run 3 to 4 times a week. I feel great, I have absolutely no pain in my body and I take no chemical medications.
Thank you Seanol-F

Michael
www.seanol-f.com

LOL! blatent spam. nobody is gonna buy that now mate.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  nick309 on Tue Sep 07, 2010 12:14 pm

Did I hit a soft spot Mike? You know if both product contains ECE then they should both work
but why is it that your product is diluted with Dextrin? Can you not provide a pure source of ECE. That way one would not have to take 3 to 4 capsule per day. Too expensive maybe?

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  m. fred on Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:13 pm

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curt504 wrote:Anyone look at this source of supposed pure EC?

http://www.eckloniacava.com/online_store.html

At this point in time and question re purity vs cost, is there a recommendation of vendor and product? I was about to buy from iHerb
http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-FibroBoost-400-mg-90-Veggie-Caps/15663?at=0

curt

I just emailed eckoniacava.com and asked them what the difference was between their product and seanol-f, and here's how they replied:

Thank you for your interest in our Ecklonia Cava Extract. As per your question in the difference between our ECE and Seanol.

- Seanol-F consist of 13% polyphenols derived from the Ecklonia Cava Plant and
87% Dextrin.
Our product consists of 98.8% full spectrum Ecklonia Cava Extract.

- Seanol use an alcohol extraction process
We use a water extraction process


So it's still unclear whether or not the specific polyphenols derivatives are better for you than the whole plant extract, but I'm definitely leaning towards the products at eckloniacava.com at this point.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  theseeker on Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:22 pm

Is the one that's on CS's regime still the best one to use?

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Feb 11, 2011 1:30 pm

It depends on who you ask.

Either way, the pure stuff is cheaper here:

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t4310-immortal-hair-supplement-line-now-available-pricing-information


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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  theseeker on Fri Feb 11, 2011 2:03 pm

So would the Pure extract be better then the fibroboost one? Or is it just a case of it being cheaper with the benefit of it being perhaps better?

I recently purchased the fibro one but if the pure is a lot more effective I'll go with that.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  nidhogge on Fri Feb 11, 2011 5:55 pm

Ours is the pure one--CS and I had a choice to make. Piggy-back off of FibroBoost's popularity and simply carry the same exact extract that they do (Seanol-F) or give the full-spectrum, pure version of Eckonia Cava. We chose the pure version. It is always best to get the full spectrum, as isolating particular strains and amplifying them in a capsule is what pharmaceuticals do, and it is unnatural. Also, fillers like dextrin and magnesium stearate are not good in the long-term for the body.

Master Herbalist Roger Drummer had a good deal to say about Pure Ecklonia Cava vs. FibroBoost--I'll post that up when I have some more time tomorrow or this weekend.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  m. fred on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:15 pm

theseeker wrote:So would the Pure extract be better then the fibroboost one? Or is it just a case of it being cheaper with the benefit of it being perhaps better?

I recently purchased the fibro one but if the pure is a lot more effective I'll go with that.

I just sent a follow up question to the folks at eckloniacava.com. Here's what I asked:

"In the studies cited on your website, what kind of Ecklonia Cava Extract was used-- your ECE, or Seanol-f. Or was it something else? I've heard of Seanol-P. What's that?"

Here's the reply I got back (very quick response, I might add):

On our site, Ecklonia Cava Extract was use and not Seanol; however, studies done with Seanol have shown similar effect. The difference is that you need to take over 7 times the amount of Seanol-F to yield the same results. Seanol-P is the pure version of Seanol. It is 95% pure but is also about $2400 per kilo. I've never heard of anybody using it. In my experiences when you use a hydrocarbon to do botanical extractions it always leaves impurities. I'm not quite certain if this would be the case with Seanol-P.


To be fair, I haven't asked the same questions of the people who make Fibroboost, But this pretty much settles it for me. I'm ordering from eckloniacava.com. These guys seem to have a real commitment to offering a higher quality product. And EC seems to have adaptogenic qualities, like ginseng or ashwagandha. Herbs like this are always better consumed in as close to their natural state as possible, because the healing reaction depends on many components of the plant working in a synergistic whole. I don't want a bunch of corn fillers, and I don't want something that's been extracted with alcohol-- you gotta figure that damages the phytochemicals.

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  theseeker on Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:31 pm

Is the one that you are talking about the same pure version of Eckonia Cava that nidhogge was referring too?

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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  scottyc33 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:47 am

m. fred wrote: Herbs like this are always better consumed in as close to their natural state as possible, because the healing reaction depends on many components of the plant working in a synergistic whole. I don't want a bunch of corn fillers, and I don't want something that's been extracted with alcohol-- you gotta figure that damages the phytochemicals.

Totally agree.


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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  scottyc33 on Sat Feb 12, 2011 5:48 am

theseeker wrote:Is the one that you are talking about the same pure version of Eckonia Cava that nidhogge was referring too?

The stuff on eckloniacava.com and the Immortal Hair / nidhogge stuff are the same extract.


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Re: The truth about Seanol and ecklonia cava extract

Post  nidhogge on Sun Feb 13, 2011 7:36 am

Yea guys--the "Pure Eckonia Cava" supplement sold on this forum IS EckloniaCava.com's extract. Far as I know, we offer the best price on the stuff around. 320mg a day for $28.49 for 3-day supply.

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