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Reduced beard growth

Post  RC on Tue Aug 18, 2009 6:41 pm

Since starting on most of the IH supps, I've noticed significantly reduced beard growth. It's shocking actually -- it now takes me 3-4 full days to attain a a light 5 o'clock shadow. Before starting on the IH supps, I would get the same amount of growth in less than 24 hours.

The supps I added after which I noticed this phenomenon are:
Biotin
BCM-95 Curcumin
GliSODin
Green Tea caps
Others:
Zyflamend (anti-inflammatory)
Hyaluronic Acid

What's the "culprit"? Perhaps curcumin?

I believe reduced beard growth correlates with reduced DHT, and is therefore beneficial for hair growth (on scalp).

I haven't been able to take EC consistently because it drastically increases my sleep requirements. I haven't been able to get past the 2 week mark, after which these sides are said to subside. RC

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Re: Reduced beard growth

Post  johnt on Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:13 pm

Both green tea and cucrumin are said to play a role in dht reduction, although I'd be surprised if it did by that much. Are you taking any essential fatty acids?

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Post  RC on Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:34 pm

I have been taking fish oil for several years .. is that relevant in your opinion?

The stunted facial hair phenomenon started almost a week after adding the supplements, so there's a strong likelihood it is one or more of these supps, or a combination of them.

I suppose this means the supps are working, but I'm curious to know which specific supp is responsible. RC

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Post  johnt on Tue Aug 18, 2009 7:51 pm

RC-

Omega 3's help keep dht in check, but from what I understand it acts more to reduce excess dht. I was curious if you had added borage oil, which in my opinion reduces dht to a greater extent (but not nearly like a drung such as fin). But obviously if you've been taking the fish oil for years then it's not whats causing the decreased beard growth.

Perhaps the top 6 reduces dht more than is believed, or perhaps it is inhibiting it from binding to receptors... seems more likely the latter since I haven't heard of anyone suffering from low libido while on the IH regimen alone, quite the opposite actually.

I'll tell you one thing, about two years ago when I started the IH regimen I was on fin. Well I didn't think I had sexual side effects at the time, but when I started the IH regimen in tandem with the fin my libido took a huge hit, it was basically non-existent. Well I eventually weaned myself completely from fin, while retaining the IH regimen, and my libido eventually came back in full force. Oh and back when I was on both the IH regimen and the fin, I was not using curcumin (it wasn't even on the regimen at the time), but green tea was ... long story short, I think green tea is a relatively potent dht inhibitor.

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Re: Reduced beard growth

Post  Petch on Tue Aug 18, 2009 8:09 pm

Hey Jont, did you manage to keep your hair after quitting fin?

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Post  johnt on Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:05 pm

Petch- I was a great responder to propecia, it regrew my hairline and maintained it the entire time I was using it, which was about 8 years. I wanted to get off though because I started noticing sides and I started realizing it probably wasn't a good idea to be on it long term anyway. Anyway, I gradually weaned myself (ie, .5 mg for about a month, .25 for a month, .25 eod, then .125 eod), I was on the top 6 the entire time, plus a few other things, I've also been lasering for about 8 months (for full disclosure). That said, I believe I have managed to hold onto most of what I have gained and that is all I ever really wanted to happen. I think the hairline has thinned out a bit, probably not enough to be noticeable by anyone else, but overall I have been extremely satisfied and I feel great and I know I am much healthier because of the switch.

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Post  Petch on Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:44 pm

That's great to hear mate. I've been on the fin for 7 years, but been a bit to worried about losing hair should I drop it, so good to hear your story! I think dropping fin gradually is the way to go. Cool

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Post  johnt on Wed Aug 19, 2009 2:42 am

Thanks man. I agree. Get a good natural regimen that handles the inflammation that the dht causes, which is the main problem anyway, drop fin gradually, and I think diet is a huge factor also... mine is completely different now than when I first started thinning about 10 or 11 years ago. Best of luck.

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Post  johnt on Wed Aug 19, 2009 7:27 pm

Petch- I thought this was extremely interesting... Maybe reducing the drug even further in dosage and spreading it out over more days (i.e. up to 7 or more) is an even better strategy for quitting.

http://www.propeciahelp.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1170

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Post  Petch on Wed Aug 19, 2009 10:45 pm

Thanks for the link jont, withdrawing slowly is the way to go. Quitting cold turkey increases the DHT receptors or so i've read.. IH top 5/6, plus hair signals, rogain and maybe proxyphen. Should keep my hair as it is now, maybe better...made a few changes to my diet already, been doing it slowly, and plan to make a few more changes.

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Re: Reduced beard growth

Post  GoodThings on Wed Aug 19, 2009 11:54 pm

RC, i too noticed this when i started the regimen. Now, the hair growth seems to return to its previous state. Or maybe i'm not noticing it anymore. idk.

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