What are your "other" top supplements?

I'm curious as to what your top supplements are that aren't included in the IH list? Are a lot of you still taking lecithin or l-lysine?

j87x - I take iodine, sulforaphane (9 milligrams found in Jarrow's Active Selenium), Celery seed extract, Green Tea Phytosome by Thorne Research, Brewer's yeast, Jarrow EPS probiotic, Chlorella and Magnesium.

CausticSymmetry wrote:j87x - I take iodine, sulforaphane (9 milligrams found in Jarrow's Active Selenium), Celery seed extract, Green Tea Phytosome by Thorne Research, Brewer's yeast, Jarrow EPS probiotic, Chlorella and Magnesium.

CS - are you taking Sulforaphane for cancer prevention?

scottyc33 - The funny thing is, I don't worry a thing about cancer, but just about everything I take is anti-cancer--it works out that way for hair.

Sulforaphane destabilizes the androgen receptor by inactivating histone deacetylase, that and its restoration of glutathione in keratinocytes are the main reasons I am taking it.

Here's a thread on other Sulforaphane info:

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/natural-hair-regrowth-forum-f1/sulforaphane-activates-the-transcription-factor-nrf2-and-induces-phase-2-and-antioxidant-enzymes-in-human-keratinocytes-t1255.htm

CS - In another thread you mentioned your hair has thickened and improved since you took the MJ photo, If you had to pick one or two supplements which lead to that what are they?

Glacier - I'm afraid I have little clue. The only thing I can say is that I once had pale skin, mostly throughout my life and the color in my face has improved quite bit. Whatever has happened, it would mean there is better blood oxygenation to the area. That said, could it be a residual effect of iodine over the last year? Or could it be a consistent level of Vitamin D in my system. However, before I started taking some 6,000 IU per day I was using Cod Liver Oil (lots of it), but not even close to the 6,000 IU I use today.

Or it could easily have nothing to do with either iodine or vitamin D and maybe attributable to sulforaphane, Brewer's yeast or Celery Seed extract.

These three above were the most recent additions to my routine. Note that I'm only using the super cheap 9 milligrams per day of Sulforaphane that is an extra found in Jarrow's Active Selenium. I also use the super cheap Nature's Herbs Celery Seed extract.

Finally, it simply maybe attributable to the fact my the principle regimen is still working, and by that I mean it is improving the infrastructure of microvascular system. One of the key areas in this is blood coagulation and oxygen transport.

Reversing some aspects of hair loss is a lot like reversing heart disease. If there are hardened collagen (fibrosis) or sufficient build-up of collagen strands (streamers), their very existence acts as a mediator of growth inhibitors. In other words, the presence of fibrin strands can send chemical messages to invite inflammation. When such deposits are lysed away or clot like material has been retracted through plasminogen activation, a free flow of both oxygen and elimination of growth inhibitors is present.

CausticSymmetry,

I know you told me before but are you taking 12.5 or are you taking 50 mg of Lugol's per day.

Thanks

jdp710 - I took 50 milligrams for a while then tapered down to about 12.5 to maintenance.

Thank you.

And great info regarding "Reversing some aspects of hair loss is a lot like reversing heart disease."

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Reversing some aspects of hair loss is a lot like reversing heart disease. If there are hardened collagen (fibrosis) or sufficient build-up of collagen strands (streamers), their very existence acts as a mediator of growth inhibitors. In other words, the presence of fibrin strands can send chemical messages to invite inflammation. When such deposits are lysed away or clot like material has been retracted through plasminogen activation, a free flow of both oxygen and elimination of growth inhibitors is present.[/quote]



In your most recent pic a clear improvement is certain.Maybe it's just a significant thickening ,even though i do believe you 've experienced regrowth since the old pics some 4-5 years ago.After reading this particular post of yours ,what i get out of it at least ,is that your take on subject of regrowth is that in time damages caused by AGA will likely be reversed and new(lost) hair will eventually start to re-appear?
Don't you agree that for the deposits to be lysed away ,digestive enzymes like serra or brom should be introduced in the regimen? There is a limitation in what ECE alone can do.

CausticSymmetry wrote:j87x - I take iodine, sulforaphane (9 milligrams found in Jarrow's Active Selenium), Celery seed extract, Green Tea Phytosome by Thorne Research, Brewer's yeast, Jarrow EPS probiotic, Chlorella and Magnesium.

CS - would the celery seed help with eliminating or preventing belly fat?

Thankx CS - that was quite informative.

How do you know that fibrosis is effecting your hairloss, what are the external signs? I am assuming EC is effective against this since it has blood thinning properties, how long have you been taking EC?

edony - Regarding Bromelain and Serrapeptidase, are they enough? Probably depends. Ecklonia Cava works by keeping a steady supply of plasmin, which is a protein that is naturally present to prevent abnormal clotting. It's an extremely powerful inhibitor of anti-plasmin. Anti-plasmin occurs when "bad" foods are eaten, such as products of glucose combustion and inflammatory oils, such as high Omega-6 and oxidization of such oils (through cooking).

If you stomach acid is weak, it is a good indication that stomach enzymes will also be low, such as pancreatin, which contains protease enzymes similar to Bromelain. So in other words, if it is difficult to digest food and if proteolytic enzymes
help, it is a sure sign that it would be wise to add these. In my particular case, I have strong stomach acid, because I eat mostly meat. Those who do not eat as much meat or particularly those who find it only easy to tolerate meat if it is in raw form (some vegans have this difficulty), may benefit from taking Bromelain.

As far as Serrapeptidase, I'm not sure.

scottyc33 - Yes, I believe--although not 100% certain that celery seed extract would help with weight loss. If it does, it would act through two mechanisms, one combating oxidative stress and improving glucose levels and two, reducing uric acid which may negate the obesity and hypertensive effects that HFCS induced uric acid cause.

Glacier - AGA in itself is highly indicative of fibrosis, especially if a bad diet has been consumed for several years prior to treatment. My diet during the time I first identified that I had hair loss was bad for most of those years. If I knew then what I knew now, I probably could have prevented a lot of fibrosis. I've been taking Ecklonia Cava since late 2006 I believe.

Horenstein MG, Jacob JS. Follicular streamers (stelae) in scarring and non-scarring alopecia.
J Cutan Pathol 2008; 35: 1115–1120. © Blackwell Munksgaard 2008.
ABSTRACT

Background: Follicular streamers are residual fibrovascular tracts representing the impermanent lower third of the hair follicle below the bulge region. Streamers are generally not counted in transverse alopecia samples as they may represent catagen/telogen (CT) follicles and vellus-like (VL) follicles, or be mistaken as follicular scars.

Design: We evaluated 22 non-scarring alopecia cases, including alopecia areata (AA) and androgenetic alopecia (AGA), and 22 scarring alopecia cases, including follicular degeneration syndrome (FDS)/central centrifugal cicatricial alopecia and other scarring alopecia (OSA) disorders. We counted terminal follicular streamers found at a deep dermal level (L2) and followed them into a mid-dermal level at the central follicular unit (FU) to determine their precise derivation.

Results: We found streamers in 8/9 AA, 11/13 AGA, 6/12 FDS and 3/10 OSA cases. We counted a total of 74 streamers at L2, including 61 in non-scarring alopecia cases (p < 0.001). At the more superficial FU level, 72% of streamers corresponded to CT follicles, 25% to VL follicles and 3% to follicular scars.

Conclusions: Follicular streamers are found predominantly in non-scarring alopecia cases. Streamers found at deep dermal or subcutaneous levels should be followed and identified at the FU level in order to obtain accurate follicular counts and follicular ratios needed for non-scarring alopecia diagnosis.

CS--

I should have the celery seed product that you mentioned by Monday. Years ago I was moved to try celery seed (just for the sake of experiment), but never did, so i guess I'll finally have my chance.

Also, I just wanted to point out taking more Sulforaphane Glucosinolate makes a huge difference for me, particularly in regard to allergies. I tried to get it through just selenext for about a week and a half, and when i went back on it I realized just how great a supplement it is (Brocomax). That's not to suggest you should adjust your dose, just pointing out my experience.

Also, my random addition of Thymus has proven to be really good (allergies/immune system). On Monday I should have a new version from Enzymatic Therapy: Thymulus. If it isn't as good as the Soloray product I'll return it and stick with Soloray i guess.