Does topical iodine cause apoptosis?

Was reading a bit about the function of iodine (lugol's), and was wondering if topically, it could cause apoptosis in existing hairs. I think it can help with scalp skin, but wanted to make sure I'm not killing off any existing hair - I know apoptosis is a good thing regarding cancers and viruses, scalp bacteria, demo, etc. but I was curious about the benefit.

Thanks.

Applying once per week you should be fine.

Thanks JDP, it felt great right after I used it. Will stick to 1x a week.

So, is apoptosis caused by iodine a good or bad thing for hair? I have used it 3-4 times in the last week and a half or so mixed with colloidal oatmeal (maybe 3/4-1 dropperfull of 2% lugols per application, like how clay is applied) and leaving it on overnight for my seb derm, and I am seeing pretty decent results in the last week or so. Should I be weary of this, or is it okay as long as it's diluted as much as it is? I have been thinking of ordering some of Wombats highodine salve, or making it myself as per the old instructions, and applying it to my hairline.

Also, does this increased apoptosis occur with iodine in general (or the potassium iodide), or only with higher doses?

I personally don't see topical iodine as a problem based on enough testimonials on the internet ... used for alopecia areata. Actually, I believe everyone should use it at the first sign of hair loss based on the fact that it prevents scar tissue. TK on this forum also used it often without any problems.

With that said, I have seen some information that if you're in poor health/mental health even topical application can cause problems. Zix Creator in one of his posts on this forum noticed something similiar at his work where too much topical Iodine caused problems.

In short, even topical iodine there isn't a one size fits all so you have to wing it and see how you do and then go from there.

Also, I should mention regarding wombat's Iodine salve it's great but I haven't noticed anything regarding regrowth. I was hoping I would see some regrowth by now. My recommendation if you're going to try this a long your hair line "for regrowth" then possibly try the next step up and mixed 50% with DMSO. That's what I'm trying pretty soon.

BTW, regarding fungal infections, topical lugol's, nascent, SSKI may not work as well as detoxified iodine.

TheFunkyStumpfighter - I second jdp710, and wanted to add that hair loss that is sometimes reported with iodine use is actually and not surprisingly........

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A bromide detoxification reaction. This is where salt loading protocol is very useful.

As far as apoptosis, this a very healthy and essential function of cells. If they become abnormal, apoptosis is
a healthy function, perhaps that's a bit of an oxymoron, but nonetheless.

for the last month iv been mixing iodine (lugols) with coconut oil and then wrap my head in cling film before bed and leave it all night. My hair is feeling really good at the moment.

I usually do this about 3 times a week--does this seem an ok thing to do?
Sometimes i add a little gse aswell and the reason i do that is because i did all 3 applications the other week ( but applied much too high a strength gse) covered up again and it felt like it killed hundreds of demodex! My face looked a right mess for the next few days (also put all 3 there).

But although it def killed alot of bad stuff it was way too much as i actually burnt my skin and it was so painful that it woke me up at 4 in the morning and i couldn't sleep again!

Iv applied very high strenght gse on my hair and face loads of time before without any problems but this combination of all 3 killed me....and lots of demodex!

I thought it was because id covered my head and forehead with cling film but my cheekbone was very burned and spotty too and that wasn't covered.

Must have had over a hundred pimples on my forehead after!

jdp701 wrote:
With that said, I have seen some information that if you're in poor health/mental health even topical application can cause problems. Zix Creator in one of his posts on this forum noticed something similiar at his work where too much topical Iodine caused problems.

jdp,

Do you know the connection between iodine and mental health? I'd pm you but it's disabled.

I was looking for some information in my notes but it's very disorganized.

Besides the quotes posted below, it was something like 40% of all patients in a mental health hospital around the 1940's - 1960's or so was due to bromide ... they use to give out bromide as a way to suppress the sex drive/thyroid back then.

Also, CS has posted a great study showing that in Iodine deficient areas, there is a higher rate of I believe it was MS.

Here's some quotes

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Adams found that iodine levels in hair were 45% lower in the children with autism.

"Adequate dietary iodine supplies and thyroid hormones are needed for the development of the central nervous system (CNS) and brown adipose tissue (BAT) function.

The diet with very low iodine content results in a decrease of local blood flow in both brain structures, but the greatest changes were observed in hippocampus. Addition of the iodine to the diet eliminates the above blood flow changes."

"Experimental studies show depressive behavior in rats caused by hypothyroidism and antidepressant effect of thyroid hormones.

quotes taken from http://www.iodine4health.com/body/brain/brain.htm

"Heavy metals get stored in the same receptors that are looking for iodine."

cells are not able to distinguish iodide from other anions of similar atomic or molecular size, which may act as “pseudo-iodides”: bromide, flouride, chlorine, thiocyanate, cyanate, nitrate, pertechnate, perchlorate.[

quotes from http://www.curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1564469

BTW, on another note, I came across some information a week ago regarding zinc supplementation and mercury. I believe it was something similiar to zinc supplementation without copper supplementation causes increased blood brain barrier penetration of mercury. I believe it was Cutler who mentioned that. So you might want to research that a bit more regarding lowering copper with zinc supplementation. I believe I saw some info regarding molybdenum supplementation first then NAC and MSM for copper and oxidized copper. Mercury and MMS causes copper ----> oxidized copper. Also, ALA can increase copper levels and therefore would want to take NAC or similiar to prevent build up.

Might want to double check all that though as I'm working off memory.

Here is one quote I found though

"No Zinc without copper and certainly no zinc without active chelation (ALA)."

Paradox,

found some of my info regarding copper

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Time to spell it all out and save it in favorites, anyone reading this should do the same I am getting very bored having to repeat and repeat and repeat…



Let’s start simple and use Iron since it reflects exactly what happens to copper but is simpler;

Iron and copper are used by the body as oxidizers. Copper is used to change Iodide storage in the Thyroid to Iodine when needed and I am sure you can find pages on what Iron does.



Super oxidizers, those include Hg, Pb, Chlorine and yes MMS, actually oxidize these mild oxidizing metals. They turn Iron into Rust and Copper in oxidized Copper. This change of ions makes them bio-unavailable but still fools the body into thinking you have plenty.

So when a good chunk of your Iron is turned into Rust it can no longer do its job. Yet the body refuses to absorb any more of it because as far as it is concerned it already has plenty.

A 2 minute search on CZ by typing in “Iron IP6” will show you that plenty have fixed Iron deficiencies by removing Iron (Rust) from their bodies.

In short you can be both Copper/Iron toxic and Copper/Iron deficient.



A very similar process occurs with Copper, except that once oxidized the normal adrenal function of binding elemental Copper to an amino acid is broken. The adrenals work 24/7 attempting to bind to this Ionized Copper (IC) and fail until you get adrenal burnout. Finally there is no option left but to store that IC in cells where it continues to play havoc.

Since it is still toxic (not bound to an amino) it breaks the lysine, potassium and salt pump of the cell and also disturbs Taurine levels.



Lysine is a byproduct of normal cell function and together with Selenium is the first line of defense against viruses. So any viral infection will eat up the tiny amount of Lysine produced and always present HSV can go to town.



When we first started biofeedback Lysine was always red (problematic), we like everyone else just figure that was because it was needed to kill HSV. It is only later that we figure out that a copper toxic person is ALWAYS Lysine deficient and that is the reason HSV can flare up.



The best way to deal with this toxic copper is to bind it to sulfur like MSM, I recommend you take both NAC and MSM because it is inevitable that the kidneys will try and steal some to convert it to up the bodies Glutathione (GSH) content. So by supplying both forms you help both the copper detox and improve GSH levels.



Which brings us back to sulfur and chelation, taking sulfur with large levels of Hg and/or Pb is not advisable see Cutler on that…





ALA increases copper excretion in the urine and to some extent intestinal secretions, but inhibits copper excretion in the bile. Copper excretion is as follows in terms of percentages:

Bile - 80%
Intestinal Secretions - %16
Urine - 4%

So ALA can speed up excretion of copper by the channels that get rid of 20% of it, but can also slow or stop excretion of copper by the channel that gets rid 80% of it. The net effect is that for a normal individual, ALA will tend to raise copper levels in the body. If you were never to take a break from ALA chelation, it could raise copper to dangerous levels.




NAC .... chelates oxidized copper which MSM can't

jdp,

Thanks... I appreciate the info! I didn't realize that I would be getting into copper territory again with the iodine question. I guess I haven't fully acknowledged the issue with copper and chelation because it throws a wrench into removing lead and mercury simply, and I don't have evidence that I am copper-toxic. So, I don't mean to ask repetitive questions and I hear you this time. My dilemma I suppose, is how to assimilate that info into a working plan or protocol. I'd like to make a simple linear "to do list" starting obviously with proper diagnostics.

I know that I am carrying lead and mercury because of the dmsa challenge urinalysis I did. After reading about all copper-toxic people being high in lysine, I am wondering what would be both the most cost-effective, and reliable test to order for copper. If lysine levels are definitive, then I wonder if getting amino-acid levels checked would be the way (added benefit of finding other low levels for supplementation), or if I should go with hair-analysis?

Once I know for certain if I need to address copper, then I can look at how it applies to chelation of lead/mercury from there.

Now because I do have elevated levels of mercury/lead (at least to the extent that a challenged urinalysis is diagnostically useful) then it seems I cannot use MSM.

This leaves me somewhat confused because if I am understanding this correctly (large possibility I am not)... then it seems I have a conundrum?

The one thing I know for certain is that I need to find out if copper is an issue. If it is, I'm having difficulty trying to figure out how to remove it and Mg/Pb in what order with what agents. In the meantime I will reread Cutlers statements on copper to try to make more sense of it. Nothing's ever simple is it?

Here is a good list of symptoms regarding heavy metals/copper toxicity.

http://www.curezone.com/forums/fm.asp?i=1625599#i

So I have begun using a 3 parts to 1 lugols/dmso mix on my hairline in an attempt to get some regrowth. Skin started peeling off at the third day, and the skin beneath looks so much better than the skin that was there before that I am thinking about using it on my whole face one weekend.

What I was wondering is if whether causing damage in the first place would be beneficial here or not? Forgive my ignorance, but is the damage caused by hair loss (fibrosis, microscar formation, etc) on a scale large enough to cause the kind of regeneration response that would bring these follicles back from the dead so to speak?

I remember there being a fella on HLF who claimed to have regrowth in response to painting his scalp with silver nitrate cauterizing sticks, and while he was practically driven off with torches and pitchforks, I have come across a few examples of peoples hair growing back after being burned (although the one I remember was quite old, and pictured an old man who fell on a fire only to have his hair grow back where his scalp had been burned). The pictures the man who had used silver nitrate on his head were impressive, and it stuck in my head.

The whole "damage the skin to cause regrowth" notion is by no means new, but maybe the causing of damage with the use of chemical peels, or even those silver nitrate sticks, followed by applications of lugols could stimulate a regenerative response stronger than either by themselves? If the more damage caused (within reason, of course), the stronger the regenerative response, then does it not stand to reason that applying lugols to your scalp after damaging it would create a considerably larger response than just the lugols alone?

I'm not sure if I would use topical lugol's. It seems like it might damage the hair follicle as well.