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Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:25 am

I have just noticed a small collection of these (small, thin spider veins, purple in colour) just below my left ankle. They really are very small and it's quite possibly down to my hypothyroidism again (or the fact that I should do a bit more exercise), but I was just wondering, for now and for future reference, if there is anything you can take which will prevent or preferably heal/reverse them? Am I right in saying they are caused by blood "leaking" back through the little vein flaps and collecting too much in a small portion of the vein?

I am very much for the preventative approach you see, and also I know some people who have them and it would be great if there were ways to aid their internal healing naturally.

Most mainstream sources just say surgery and lasers and stuff, but then they always say that stuff and I have learnt now that most things can be healed naturally from within!

Thanks everyone, I'm aware I'm always all questions, but I find getting opinions on these things so helpful!

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hadrion on Fri Apr 16, 2010 7:40 am

Hop -- I had them. Had, the operative word in the sentence. I had surgery to have them removed in January as blood was starting to pool in my left ankle swelling it out. It caused some discoloration to my skin (brownish/blueish) in that area which sucked since it's still there. I let it go thinking it was a cycling injury that wasn't healing, but eventually when I saw the varicose vein pop out of my left calf at the gym (in the mirror) I knew I had to get it checked out.

The good news is the surgery was successful. They used a laser to basically kill the vein. It's painless. The painful part was when the doctor removed the vein from my left leg and yanked it out with a little hook. That's called an ambulatory phlebectomy. That sucked, but seriously wasn't bad. The only reason he did that was to get the vein that turned varicose out of my leg for appearance sake. My leg looks great now and there's no evidence of the vein showing. Scars are tiny pin pricks you can't see unless I point them out.

When they kill the vein with the laser, if they leave it in your body, your body supposedly reabsorbs it.

I had both legs done, but only the left leg vein was removed with the hook. The right leg was just shut down with the laser. They did an ultrasound to determine that the veins had gone bad. In my case, it was the "great saphenous" vein that had gone bad and had turned varicose in my left leg and was about to turn in my right leg.

Since the surgery, my legs feel lighter. I've also lost a chronic knee, groin and ankle pain I was having in both legs that I was attributing to getting old. All of those pains are gone and have not returned.

The veins they killed in me only account for 5% of the blood that goes back up to your heart. They are the superficial veins. The deeper veins inside your leg carry the rest.

If I were you and if you have insurance, I would go to a vein specialist to get it checked out. The only reason I say this is you can avoid the skin discoloration around your ankle that I allowed to get worse by ignoring things. It's not an emergency situation unless you see blood pooling/swelling. In my case my left foot wasn't fitting into my shoes like it had been. I had to do what I did.

My insurance covered the procedures 100%, but without insurance it's costly.

Considering I take a boatload of supplements IH has recommended for hair loss and for other health issues I'm concerned about, I wasn't able to stop this with diet, supps and exercise. It's hereditary in my family.

Good luck!

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:08 am

Ah I see. Well as I say these are VERY mild. I'm also aware they can be caused by hormonal or thyroid complications, so of course they are alerting me to possible problems. I am having a good look on Google and stuff to see what might help.

Apparently flavonoids are good, horse chestnuts were mentioned too in a couple of places.

So far these links look quite cool:

http://www.herbcompanion.com/health/Treat-varicose-veins-naturally.aspx

http://www.ehow.com/how_2078392_treat-varicose-veins-herbs.html

http://www.natural-homeremedies.com/homeremedies_veins.htm


I mean of course surgery and things are always viable, but I do think that if a problem is addressed really quickly, I think that most things can be fixed without any surgery, I mean obviously depending on the triggers. The more hereditary something is I would imagine the harder it is to treat without surgery ._.

I wonder what CS might think about this, I searched the forum but couldn't find a previous mention of it. Hmm! I'm sure I/we can get to the bottom of it! Smile

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  crincrin on Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:23 am

I just wanted to throw in that I've got the same problem. I have what look like very tiny varicose veins on the insides of my ankles, right behind the malleolus. I probably noticed them for the first time about a year ago. My thyroid numbers have been fluctuating for about two years now, and seem to be getting worse.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:01 am

The most effective supplement for a condition called chronic vein insufficiency is pycnogenol. However, for many of us it causes acne like lesions.

If there is a problem with the veins, might be worth trying. Vein integrity is also related to vitamin K, so this is probably preventable if you can catch it in time.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hadrion on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:09 am

Hoppipolla wrote:Ah I see. Well as I say these are VERY mild.

So you're basically a hypochondriac who likes to post a lot.? Wink

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Post  hadrion on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:11 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:The most effective supplement for a condition called chronic vein insufficiency is pycnogenol. However, for many of us it causes acne like lesions.

If there is a problem with the veins, might be worth trying. Vein integrity is also related to vitamin K, so this is probably preventable if you can catch it in time.

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Funny thing is I was heavy into Pycnogenol when you first started touting it in your old forum. This was before I had any visible problem in the ankle. Of course, I got the acne and dropped it. I'm always curious if dosing that for awhile and then removing it from my regimen could have helped caused the issue I had.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:29 am

hadrion wrote:
Hoppipolla wrote:Ah I see. Well as I say these are VERY mild.

So you're basically a hypochondriac who likes to post a lot.? Wink

lol!

I think it's more a combination of enjoying learning, and being way too vain! hehe Smile

But the way I see it I'm in this body for like another.. 60 years or something if I'm lucky? Gotta learn to take care of it sometime right, and I put it off for the last 24 years lol

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Fri Apr 16, 2010 1:38 pm

Hmm, I'm currently starting to sway towards a herb called Gotu Kola, as it seems brilliant for this problem, stress, thyroid, hair loss, the mind, and many things. Combined with sorting out my thyroid and diet and getting plenty of exercise, this should do fine Smile

I was looking at Ginkgo and Horse Chestnut and all that, but they are a bit risky when taken with blood thinners like curcumin apparently, and they dont seem as good for me as Gotu Smile

When I get back on a pc I'll put one more link to a great page I found on this, as it might help anyone else who stumbles upon this thread in future!

Sorry if I sound like a hypochondriac, I guess I just favour the preventative and "nipping something in the bud" approach where possible Smile

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Post  Trace on Fri Apr 16, 2010 2:19 pm

O.K. Hoppi I decided to find another info site on natural hair loss and I found you again. Then I see you posting varicose vein questions and teeth questions. I don,t understand you. Are you O.K.. Are you even real. Please Please don,t take this the wrong way, but are you a hypochondriac. I am not trying to be rude in any sense. How do you have so much time to be on all these sites.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Fri Apr 16, 2010 9:43 pm

oh my hehe, this thread is going messy! For the record, I am only on these 2 sites related to hair loss, and I am not posting on any other forums atm.

I am just a vain semi-italian who currently has no job, uses his computer far too much, and loves his hair far too much. Erm, is that sufficient info? hehe Smile

I do tend to pick one or 2 forums and then just over-post on them lol, before hair ones it was Ubuntu forums, and before then it was hippy forums, before then it was erm.. Sega forums? God knows lol

I will try to behave more ._. hehe

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  randle20 on Fri Apr 16, 2010 10:53 pm

How much Pycnogenol are you guys taking? Im taking 25MG every morning. I can't live without this product. http://www.marketamerica.com/viewproducts/topproducts-13009/isotonix-opc3.htm Two years ago when I first started taking Pycnogenol I noticed small acne bumps on my forhead after a couple of weeks they were gone and never came back... Maybe this might be some break-in effect? Thats what a doctor told me but ofcourse with no research we cannot make conclusions.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  hoppipolla on Sat Apr 17, 2010 9:36 am

oh, here is that link (had to copy it off my phone's browser lol):

http://www.mothernature.com/library/bookshelf/books/15/25.cfm


But yeah erm, that's fine I think. I'll also cut down the hugely high calcium dose I was on to support magnesium, as that was the only sloppy thing I was doing I think, and try not to overdo any supplements without fully knowing what I'm doing!

Chances are it's just the result of sitting at this damn pc too long xD And also maybe hypothyroid or whatever.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  The Natural on Sat Apr 17, 2010 10:32 am

Curcumin and resveratrol really helped to reduce the appearance of veins in my arms.

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Re: Spider veins and varicose veins

Post  kewiesterrock on Fri Sep 23, 2011 8:07 am

Spider veins are one type of disease which is related to the blood .It can be red, green, blue or purple. It is base of varicose veins disease.



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