Anyone else had a bout of dandruff that coincided with their hair loss?

I haven't had dandruff in like 10 years... and now.. I lose hair and.. I had dandruff o.O

I was putting it down to Nizoral, but I haven't used Nizoral in weeks and I don't even wash my hair too often. There really is very little to blame it on now. Do you think it's to do with fungus or yeast? I am still kind of veering towards herbal things as opposed to lithium and DMSO just for the time being, you know, and was wondering if AO Ginseng Biotin Shampoo + organic oregano oil (every 2-3 days), and this Hair Regain stuff daily: http://www.endhairlossnaturally.com/hair.loss.ingredients.DHT.htm

Might be enough to show any possible infections the door?

For the record, I also have geographic tongue, white stuff on my tongue, and these things like this random girl on Flickr lol:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2123/2109035483_56e7fbd55a.jpg?v=0

See the little like... hmm.. they look almost a bit like they could be a fungus-like thing, but like white bumpy halo shapes? I have that too.

My head has also been itching much more since my hair loss began, I actually almost suspected head lice at one point as it was itching often! I'm sure it's not that though, I haven't noticed any and if I do have anything like that it would just be shocking coincidence lol

So erm, what are your thoughts on this? I wonder what could be causing it. I wonder if it is tied to my tongue, and that girl on Flickr mentioned what gave it to her is cinnamon as she is allergic. I know many things seem to make my tongue hurt more, but I have no idea if anything in particular is setting it off, I noticed no real improvements when I changed my diet.

Hmm ._.

Since using that Lithium + DMSO rinse, my hair has been dandruff free every single day. It still gets quite oily however.

Oh, I even think I'm getting funny little red circles and things around where I'm losing hair, like not spots but.. little red patches sometimes, it's incredibly mild and they may even be birthmarks or something that I just never noticed before as they were covered in hair! Like I say it is very, very mild, don't worry or anything!

Hmm, I have never looked at this much as I have been so focused on stress and thyroid and things, hormones, inflammation etc, but now finally I have gotten round to thinking about fungi, bacteria, etc, and so all this stuff is starting to tie in and get me thinking.

I'd love some advice, and am curious to see where this goes!

Hoppi

Dave228 wrote:

Dave228 wrote:Since using that Lithium + DMSO rinse, my hair has been dandruff free every single day. It still gets quite oily however.

Ah ok that's cool. I mean I may use that, I guess I just like to go nice and slow though and just stick with what I know and build up as I understand more, you know? I am finally, finally starting to feel confident enough to move on from the ketoconazole and start coming up with better topical treatments, but it's still all a bit new and I'm only just understanding what my enemies are up there! lol


An edit! -- Oh, another thing I had put it down to before I thought of Nizoral was my thyroid. I was thinking well, my skin has been kind of dry and stuff, and my hair itself I think, maybe my scalp is just drier in the same way, and that's why I have dandruff. I dunno o.O

Man so much of this is so new to me... it's great to learn but.. I will feel so good when I have finally fully decoded this riddle, I don't know where I would be without this forum!!

I also had alot of dandruff two years ago when my hairloss started as my hair was falling out in clumps, but IH's topical along with 1300mg borage oil has reduced that.

Not initially when I was just receding, but when my mpb stepped in to overdrive I had bad dandruff which turned in to dermatitis, and a badly inflamed scalp shedding a hell of a lot of hair. Nizoral helped back then and LLLT.

Hmm APPARENTLY it's all tied to DHT, sebum and fungal infections (this then explains the huge support of ketoconazole amongst hair loss communities online!).

So, I am guessing that DHT accumulates in the sebum, leading to an increase, which leads to more fungal infection, leading to dandruff? That's certainly close, and damn that sucks ._. lol

RIGHT! So I'm gonna ensure I get a great shampoo topical (the IH one or similar) and great other topicals in my regimen, and take steps to reduce sebum! And AGAIN this apparently comes back to my good friend insulin, as CS said in another thread that insulin foods increase DHT and inflammation, leading to more sebum.

Well anyway this certainly explains a lot, all of this.

The only thing I don't yet understand is the exact pathway through which the DHT triggers more sebum. Does it just all accumulate?

And man I have learnt so much over the past.. 2-3 months lol, about hair loss but also my whole body! I feel SO equipped to tackle this now it's just unreal! hehe

Hoppipolla - When blood sugar levels are low, due to high insulin clearing glucose levels from the blood, liver and so forth, the adrenal glands are stimulated to increase adrogens, and at the same time, the body is urged to replenish its supply of glucose, so when glucose levels raise again with the consumption of food, the eventual high glucose level will increase IGF-1, which will increase sebum, and the cycle repeats.

For a more exact explanation you can check this PDF file out:

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Final%20Acne%20Article.pdf

CS, since dropping sugar I am sure my blood sugar levels are very low. I get very tired and really crave sugar, especially after meals. When Im feeling tired I generally sleep and ignore what my body is saying. Should I be giving it some sugar to balance out the levels? Rather confused to be honest. I have found that my inflammation gets worse after a big intake of sweets.

CausticSymmetry wrote:Hoppipolla - When blood sugar levels are low, due to high insulin clearing glucose levels from the blood, liver and so forth, the adrenal glands are stimulated to increase adrogens, and at the same time, the body is urged to replenish its supply of glucose, so when glucose levels raise again with the consumption of food, the eventual high glucose level will increase IGF-1, which will increase sebum, and the cycle repeats.

For a more exact explanation you can check this PDF file out:

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Final%20Acne%20Article.pdf

That's fascinating thanks CS - what's really cool is that I am now gradually nearing a point where so much more stuff makes sense to me, as over time I am looking into things more and more and accumulating the knowledge I need! I'm glad I also finally understand what people meant when they spoke of these kind of sugar and carb cravings that actually aren't beneficial to the body, as the body is like, just fuelling it's production of more insulin!

Man my diet before REALLY sucked... lol

And DBAL, that's a good question. I think the best idea would be to try to work out what your insulin, blood glucose and preferably IGF-1 levels are currently, and gauge what the next move should be. I have found in my experience and research over this that the best approach, is a targeted approach

Regardless of what contributes to oilyness or cell proliferation...

To me is like some switch was activated and suddenly I have thinning hair and dandruff, it was like that... I suppose the same happened to many people.

Yeah odd that it feels like that isn't it? I guess that's why so many people have this thing about it being some kind of epigenetic change (although I'm pretty sure what I've heard over the last couple of months has largely disproven that!). Still possible though I guess.

Wait a second though! Like, it's definitely not like this for everyone though is it? I mean many people have very slow loss, not sudden and aggressive, or with heavy inflammation or dandruff.

Something... maybe something makes our particular kind of loss different. Insulin resistance and thyroid would again be my top two guesses, I am with CS on this one, but there could be other issues... drastically reducing sebum would probably help I would imagine.

Hippo- when I moved away from my parents and started eating a lot of fast food because I was too lazy to cook, I had really bad scalp itching and dandruff. I remember sitting at work scratching and seeing hair and flakes fall out all over my desk. I had really fast hair loss at the time, I remember one day just getting out of the shower and looking at how thin my hair was in areas of future recession and felt like it just happened over night.

Hoppi, yes I think that reducing sebum would help the condition.

Curiously, when I used a very effective fiber supplement, the dandruff disappeared, and came back when I stopped using it. At this point I preffer not to use fiber, because it's not a good strategy after all. Use only probiotitcs... btw CS posted a great article about fiber in his Daily Topics some time ago.

So, this seems to have a lot to do with intestinal ecology. BTW, probiotics induce gene expression! just like diets.

I have been researching about dysbiosis, probiotics and related stuff for a long time and I'm convinced that these factors are probably the most important things for health.

For WHATEVER reason, seems that a lot of people in here have other health issue beyond hair loss.... including digestion issues. Thyroid problems? Hair loss? Skin problems?... the root cause might be candida, parasites or other organisms, disturbed intestinal ecology, dysbiosis, LGS, etc.