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CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  thissucks on Sun Sep 05, 2010 3:55 am

CS, wondering what your thoughts are on this study, which I find quite alarming if true. It recommends only 18 oz of red meat a week, whereas I eat about 50 oz. Shocked

http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/99293.php

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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  Mr. Clean on Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:36 am

http://www.health.harvard.edu/fhg/updates/Red-meat-and-colon-cancer.shtml



Red meat and colon cancer

Although the results vary, studies from around the world have suggested that a high consumption of meat is linked to an increased risk of colon cancer. In all cases the worry is confined to red meat, not chicken.

The best evidence comes from a pair of large 2005 studies, one from Europe, the other from the United States. The European research tracked 478,000 men and women who were free of cancer when the study began. The people who ate the most red meat (about 5 ounces a day or more) were about a third more likely to develop colon cancer than those who ate the least red meat (less than an ounce a day on average). Their consumption of chicken did not influence risk one way or the other, but a high consumption of fish appeared to reduce the risk of colon cancer by about a third.

The U.S. study added important information about the effects of long-term meat consumption. The subjects were 148,610 people between the ages of 50 and 74. A high consumption of red and processed meats was linked with a substantial increase in the risk of cancer in the lower colon and rectum. Conversely, the long-term consumption of large amounts of fish and poultry appeared protective.

These two studies are impressive, and they don’t stand alone. A meta-analysis of 29 studies of meat consumption and colon cancer concluded that a high consumption of red meat increases risk by 28%, and a high consumption of processed meat increases risk by 20%.


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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:43 am

thissucks - It's junk science. The key phrase from the study author is linked, but not causation.

For example, it's not a physiologic study, it's an epidemiological one, it actually proves nothing. Generally, those who eat red meat tend to eat more of everything. There's no telling how much processed, microwaved food they eat in addition.

More recent studies have shown that it is the processed deli meats that seem to be a problem. As far as red meat is concerned, it is not a problem. However, red meat is much more beneficial when it is cooked at medium-rare or less, because beyond medium-rare is when the anti-cancer protecting B-vitamins are lost, allowing homocysteine to be a factor.

Colon cancer is predominantly a vitamin D deficiency problem.

I should mentioned that I saw a study that suggested that a high-carb diet may raise the risk of colon cancer. That study also proves nothing.

Sadly, the news headlines are not reliable source of information. Their main interest is to stir controversy

Oh, and meta-analysis studies are notorious for high bias.

More vegan propaganda.

Lastly, I will point out that there is a well known nutritionist who cured himself of colon cancer eating only meat.


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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  Mr. Clean on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:11 am

There is also the Warburg hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_hypothesis



Warburg's hypothesis was postulated by the Nobel laureate Otto Heinrich Warburg in 1924.[1] He hypothesized that cancer, malignant growth, and tumor growth are caused by the fact that tumor cells mainly generate energy (as e.g. adenosine triphosphate / ATP) by non-oxidative breakdown of glucose (a process called glycolysis). This is in contrast to "healthy" cells which mainly generate energy from oxidative breakdown of pyruvate. Pyruvate is an end-product of glycolysis, and is oxidized within the mitochondria. Hence, according to Warburg, cancer should be interpreted as a mitochondrial dysfunction. Warburg reported a fundamental difference between normal and cancerous cells to be the ratio of glycolysis to respiration; this observation is also known as the Warburg effect.


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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  thissucks on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:32 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:thissucks - It's junk science. The key phrase from the study author is linked, but not causation.

For example, it's not a physiologic study, it's an epidemiological one, it actually proves nothing. Generally, those who eat red meat tend to eat more of everything. There's no telling how much processed, microwaved food they eat in addition.


Reassuring news., thanks CS. BTW, since you mention the microwave, is microwaving food a problem? I typically cook 2 burgers in the stove, and save one for later in the day in the fridge, which I microwave to warm up. From the sounds of it, this is potentially very bad. Also, how do you cook your meat? On the grill?


CausticSymmetry wrote:
Lastly, I will point out that there is a well known nutritionist who cured himself of colon cancer eating only meat.


Interesting, who was this? Also, if colon cancer is a vitamin D deficiency, then how would meat help address that?

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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  thissucks on Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:38 am

Oh, one more thing - If one takes Brewer's Yeast, will that compensate for overcooking meat and losing B-vitamins?

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Re: CS: Red meat linked to colon cancer?

Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Sep 05, 2010 6:09 am

Mr. Clean wrote:There is also the Warburg hypothesis:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Warburg_hypothesis



Warburg's hypothesis was postulated by the Nobel laureate Otto Heinrich Warburg in 1924.[1] He hypothesized that cancer, malignant growth, and tumor growth are caused by the fact that tumor cells mainly generate energy (as e.g. adenosine triphosphate / ATP) by non-oxidative breakdown of glucose (a process called glycolysis). This is in contrast to "healthy" cells which mainly generate energy from oxidative breakdown of pyruvate. Pyruvate is an end-product of glycolysis, and is oxidized within the mitochondria. Hence, according to Warburg, cancer should be interpreted as a mitochondrial dysfunction. Warburg reported a fundamental difference between normal and cancerous cells to be the ratio of glycolysis to respiration; this observation is also known as the Warburg effect.



The Warburg effect is taken very seriously in integrative cancer treatment.

It equates to sugar "feeding" cancer by it stealing glucose stores from the kidney and livers and converting energy metabolism from the fermentation of sugar, instead of oxygen combustion. Cancer also robs us of iron.

Vitamin D deficiency alone of course is not the sole cause of colon cancer, but it does play a large role. Antibiotics play a strong role in the development of cancers, also low thyroid function, which is also tied to kidney function (less bicarbonate production, leads to too many positively charged hydrogen ions.)

Natural sources of folate (not folic acid) can help turn the tide of homocysteine. If meat is consumed at higher heat, then something like Brewer's yeast would supply good protection.

Microwaves are not safe. The Russians banned microwaves in 1976. Surprisingly, there are virtually no studies assuring of its 'safety.'

Instead, there is an old Swiss study that brings on some disturbing findings. Depressed hemoglobin levels, higher white cell count--nothing very good.

There's a lot more on microwaves. I just checked out one source and found a good page on it:

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2010/05/18/microwave-hazards.aspx






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