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Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
So the possible issue with Vitamin D just letting pathogens pass by the immune system, and building up over time due to Vit D supplementation scares the hell out of me. So I'm thinking... What if we cycle Vit D and when we're on it (in the winter months for instance) we take intense action to cleanse? For instance, doing things like internal clay, colon cleanses, MCP, humifulvate, candida cleanses, ACV etc.
Would this work to allow the short term benefits of Vit D, and dismiss the long term downsides?? JDP?? CS?? Anyone?
Would this work to allow the short term benefits of Vit D, and dismiss the long term downsides?? JDP?? CS?? Anyone?

Yanks- Posts: 518
Join date: 2010-03-11
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Hi Yanks. No reason to take a D3 supplement. The benefits of sun exposure is not D3 supplementation. Good info = http://mpkb.org/home/pathogenesis/vitamind#fn__11
A quote from link =
If you still wish to take D3 supplementation would also recommend make sure get enough in co-factors which are boron, Vitamin A, Vitamin K2, magnesium and zinc. Most MPB sufferers are known to be low in magnesium and zinc. Don't know about the others.
If you're looking into detoxing your VDR receptors so to speak, while I use Rife, another alternative is Chanca Piedra and Iodine. Also, UVA beds as well. A quote from Newport
A quote from link =
observational studies show that populations which avoid vitamin D consumption have naturally low levels of 25-D and remain healthy with such levels.
Healthy Chilean women – A study which tested the level of 25-D in 90 “healthy, ambulatory Chilean women” showed that 27% of the premenopausal and 60% of the postmenopausal women had 25-D levels under 20 ng/ml.6
Healthy Bangladeshi women – A study on healthy Bangladeshi women found that approximately 80% of the women had a level of 25-D under 16 ng/ml.7
Healthy Chinese infants – In a 1992 study, healthy full-term infants from China had serum concentrations of 25-D ranging from an average of 5 ng/ml to 14 ng/ml.8
If you still wish to take D3 supplementation would also recommend make sure get enough in co-factors which are boron, Vitamin A, Vitamin K2, magnesium and zinc. Most MPB sufferers are known to be low in magnesium and zinc. Don't know about the others.
If you're looking into detoxing your VDR receptors so to speak, while I use Rife, another alternative is Chanca Piedra and Iodine. Also, UVA beds as well. A quote from Newport
All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.
The Sun in most can both create D3 and convert D3, the UVA beds will convert D3 but not create D3, the UVB beds will create and convert.
All assumes your receptors aren't completely plugged

rdkml- Posts: 1639
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
wow! this is what scares me on here at times...the conflicting information..between experts like jdp and CS.
RobHealthMan- Posts: 434
Join date: 2009-11-06
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Shouldn't scare you; a little conflict brings about great knowledge and learning for every party involved! 
JDP--thoughts on the transdermal D3 cream idea? Keep in mind that this quote is referring to food-grade D3:
JDP--thoughts on the transdermal D3 cream idea? Keep in mind that this quote is referring to food-grade D3:
All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.
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nidhogge- Posts: 1948
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Yes, same... food grade transdermal cream = uncoverted D3. Meaning your liver, kidneys, etc. still needs to convert the 25 D to 1,25 D. We test 25 D levels and call that the standard even though 1,25 D is the active metabolite and what everyone is after. Testing 1,25 D is hard and many times inaccurate and thus why testing of 25 D.
"Under most normal conditions the serum level of 1,25-dihydroxyvitamin D is constant throughout the year, due to tight biochemical regulation."
"The vitamin D status is usually assessed by measuring the level of the latter vitamin D derivative [25 D], rather than that of the presumably most active derivative 1,25(OH)2 vitamin D [1,25 D]."
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19444938

rdkml- Posts: 1639
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Thanks guys! VEry imformative. So if I'm getting this right, sunlight doesn't necessarily increase 25-D, but converts it to 1,25 D? Or is it just a source of 1,25 D?

Yanks- Posts: 518
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
JDP--
Eric (from Primordial Performance) created his hormonal topics based around the fact that we have enzymes that would convert the topical compounds right in the skin to the proper compound to be utilized by the body directly in the bloodstream. I wonder if this would be the case with D3 as well? I should mention that I'm asking for our transdermal product, and I should also mention that this is pharmaceutical-grade and not D3, so the quality is significantly different and higher.
Check this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsRvoZNDLSc
Eric (from Primordial Performance) created his hormonal topics based around the fact that we have enzymes that would convert the topical compounds right in the skin to the proper compound to be utilized by the body directly in the bloodstream. I wonder if this would be the case with D3 as well? I should mention that I'm asking for our transdermal product, and I should also mention that this is pharmaceutical-grade and not D3, so the quality is significantly different and higher.
Check this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OsRvoZNDLSc
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nidhogge- Posts: 1948
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
nidhogge wrote:Shouldn't scare you; a little conflict brings about great knowledge and learning for every party involved!
JDP--thoughts on the transdermal D3 cream idea? Keep in mind that this quote is referring to food-grade D3:All food based and supps are unconverted D3, unconverted D3 is an immuno suppressant steroid.
so should we supp with 5000 iu D3?
thank!
RobHealthMan- Posts: 434
Join date: 2009-11-06
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
There's always going to be a small subset of patients who will not respond to a specific nutrient because of problems.
I am seeing more research showing benefits of vitamin D3 supplementation that has been followed up.
For the majority of people reduced mortality from all causes.
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news.shtml
I am seeing more research showing benefits of vitamin D3 supplementation that has been followed up.
For the majority of people reduced mortality from all causes.
http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/news.shtml
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Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Hi nid,
The transdermal is uncoverted. Weather it be transdermal cream, Mercola spray, D3 supplement they are all evil! Follow the money! Raising 25 D levels is not sun exposure. Forcing your body to do something nature did not intend. Also, correlation does not equal causation.
Don't know why people don't just use co-factors to raise 25 D levels.
Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about. Most will come down with nonspecific health issues weather it be years or decades later... will come.
If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.
The transdermal is uncoverted. Weather it be transdermal cream, Mercola spray, D3 supplement they are all evil! Follow the money! Raising 25 D levels is not sun exposure. Forcing your body to do something nature did not intend. Also, correlation does not equal causation.
Don't know why people don't just use co-factors to raise 25 D levels.
Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about. Most will come down with nonspecific health issues weather it be years or decades later... will come.
If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.

rdkml- Posts: 1639
Join date: 2009-06-19
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
jdp701 wrote:Hi nid,
The transdermal is uncoverted. Weather it be transdermal cream, Mercola spray, D3 supplement they are all evil! Follow the money! Raising 25 D levels is not sun exposure. Forcing your body to do something nature did not intend. Also, correlation does not equal causation.
Don't know why people don't just use co-factors to raise 25 D levels.
Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about. Most will come down with nonspecific health issues weather it be years or decades later... will come.
If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.
Like Fructoborate and Vitamin A (synergystic nutrient)

LittleFighter- Posts: 1071
Join date: 2009-07-06
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Jdp--
Been doing some research on this over the past few days, and from what I've studied, it seems that D3 passes the liver regardless of what source you get it from. Sunlight, Transdermal, or Oral. Check out this diagram:

Been doing some research on this over the past few days, and from what I've studied, it seems that D3 passes the liver regardless of what source you get it from. Sunlight, Transdermal, or Oral. Check out this diagram:

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nidhogge- Posts: 1948
Join date: 2008-07-09
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
jdp701 wrote:Rather complicated subject which is impossible to post about...If I'm wrong, then everything I know regarding Rife would be false. I don't see this being possible though.
And yet, you continue to make a case against vitamin D3 supplementation, using poor diction, reasoning, and manners. Your arrogance is surpassed only by your willful blindness (ignorance).
The Natural- Posts: 668
Join date: 2008-12-02
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
JDP - how has your experience and understanding of the the rife machine played into your current understanding of D3 supplementation as being negative? I know clues to that being true have come from many sources but how specifically from the world of rife? and sorry if you have answered this already I havent been able to find it..
The Natural - whoa, slow down. that is way too harsh. JDP has been one of the most generous and beneficial contributors on this forum not named Immortal Hair/Caustic Symmetry. I think everything JDP says should be evaluated respectfully. if you disagree that is one thing but lets hear the man out.. especially THIS man.
The Natural - whoa, slow down. that is way too harsh. JDP has been one of the most generous and beneficial contributors on this forum not named Immortal Hair/Caustic Symmetry. I think everything JDP says should be evaluated respectfully. if you disagree that is one thing but lets hear the man out.. especially THIS man.
Project: JS- Posts: 250
Join date: 2008-07-19
Location: Maryland
Re: Vitamin D Issue... Possible Resolution? JDP, your input?
Project: JS wrote:The Natural - whoa, slow down. that is way too harsh. JDP has been one of the most generous and beneficial contributors on this forum not named Immortal Hair/Caustic Symmetry. I think everything JDP says should be evaluated respectfully. if you disagree that is one thing but lets hear the man out.. especially THIS man.
Project JS,
This is an old thread. I don't need to slow down. It appears that you need to catch up.
Make use of the search function, and trace the origins of this discussion/debate (e.g. "Throw Away Your Vitamin D!"). Perhaps then, you will understand the prevailing mood here regarding JDP and his rants about vitamin D.
The Natural- Posts: 668
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