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All we need is to remove the sebum

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All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  teacup on Wed Nov 17, 2010 8:59 pm

What do you think?
Benedict Palermi using herbs to clean the scalp remove sebum and allow hair to regrow out healthy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o&feature=related

Herbal treatments for balding or thinning hair. Benedict Palermi, from Brooklyn, NY, and now from Honolulu, Hawaii has been a hair stylist for 25 years. He's treating baldness and thinning hair with an herbal concoction that really works. That's why I am putting him out there, my own testament to his fabulous and effective work. This TV news segment, MIXED PLATE, with Pamela Young of KITV shows Benedict and his treatments.

ACV, coconut oil, etc.. is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  jeruslan on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:26 pm

teacup wrote:What do you think?
Benedict Palermi using herbs to clean the scalp remove sebum and allow hair to regrow out healthy

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mZ80u2RoX7o&feature=related

Herbal treatments for balding or thinning hair. Benedict Palermi, from Brooklyn, NY, and now from Honolulu, Hawaii has been a hair stylist for 25 years. He's treating baldness and thinning hair with an herbal concoction that really works. That's why I am putting him out there, my own testament to his fabulous and effective work. This TV news segment, MIXED PLATE, with Pamela Young of KITV shows Benedict and his treatments.

ACV, coconut oil, etc.. is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?

Watched the video and was amazed, but, I am not sure that this is the solution. Overproduction of sebum is just a symptom as wall as hair loss. I would rather hit the cause, instead of focusing on symptoms. I would combine it with some diet and regimen. Just my opinion...

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  misterE on Wed Nov 17, 2010 11:55 pm

teacup wrote: is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?

Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  abc123 on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:08 am

What is the best topical for removing sebum???


misterE wrote:
teacup wrote: is the answer simply to remove any and all sebum buildup?

Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!

First sentence in english please?????? Shocked

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  misterE on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:32 am

abc123 wrote:

misterE wrote: Rather the build-up of corneocytes. It is best to reduce the proliferation of keratinocytes and increase apoptosis in corneocytes by lowering free-IGF-1 and increasing IGFBP's, while at the same time, exfoliate the scalp. I use Dr. Bronners Magic Peppermint Soap (as a shampoo) and a boar-bristle-brush to exfoliate my scalp and I feel it does a darn good job!

First sentence in english please?????? Shocked

Keratinocytes are skin-cells beneath the surface of the scalp, as they age they gradually move up towards the surface of the scalp. When they finally reach the surface of the scalp they are called corneocytes. So when the keratinocytes move up towards the surface of the scalp and turn into corneocytes, they are suppose to be shed or fall off. This process is under the control of free-IGF-1 and IGFBP-3. The free-IGF-1 promotes the growth of keratinocytes while IGFBP-3 promotes the shedding of corneocytes. However in men with baldness, there is an overproduction of keratinocytes and an underproduction of corneocyte-apoptosis (death). This causes skin-cells to literally build-up on top of hair follicles trapping sebum underneath. The trapped sebum has nowhere to go and is eaten by a bacterium called P.Acnes and other scalp-parasites like Malassezia-furfur and P.Ovale. The human body is very intelligent and the immune-system picks up on these microscopic-parasites and attacks they with an auto immune-response called inflammation.

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  teacup on Thu Nov 18, 2010 12:46 am

Thanks for explaining, it does make sense to me (but I'm not a doctor or biologist).

CS, jdp, and others

Where do you agree and where do you disagree with the above view explained by Mister E?

(sorry I am not trying to start a debate, but I want to know if you share Mister E's view of the role of free-IGF-1 and IGFBP-3, how the sebum is trapped, the bacterium and inflammation. All points of views are worth considering.)

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  TheFunkyStumpfighter on Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:10 am

Removing sebum is easy, use a harsh soap. In fact, use straight Dr. Bronner's (undiluted), and see what it does to your scalp. It'll get so shiny that you could use it as a mirror.

It's not a matter of removal, its a matter of regulation. Will an excess of hormones cause keratinocyte activity to rise? Sure it will, it is among the reasons teenagers get acne. To assume these hormones, which naturally occur in the body regardless of they are stimulated by outside forces, are the cause of said evil is ridiculous for reasons of just common sense. Again, it's not a matter of removal, it's a matter of regulation. It is not the hormones themselves that cause the problem, it's your body's reaction to them. Having an excess of IGF-1 will cause issues, but typical production in a body that is equipped to handle it's presence will promote health, not detriment it. Why? Because that is the body's natural state, and the closer you get to your natural state, the more healthy you'll become. Can I prove this? Why should I need to, nature has done it for me.

In any case, removing the sebum is easy. Hell, even keeping the sebum at bay once you've removed what you have is easy enough with the lithium/dmso combo. The issue with hardened skin/fungal infections on the scalp is that you have to be wildly proactive in combating it. Some people can use a simple antifungal and be okay, but in my case, I have to use antifungals, enzymes, lithium, and anti irritants just to make any kind of progress. All I'm saying is that it isn't all that hard to keep things in check, it's just something you're going to have to stay on top of unless you have an extremely clean diet jdp style, or take lots of great supplements cs style. It's not rocket science, just extreme diligence.

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:12 am

teacup - What misterE is saying is correct. However, in regards to the topic of the thread, removing sebum will help, but it will not stop hair loss. What it will do is slow the process down.

Even normalizing sebum secretion through diet or other means will only work to an extent. I have a topical that I add to a shampoo that works quite well for eliminating sebum excess. It will not change the autocrine and paracrine actions from kerotinocytes to the invagination of the hair bulb via dermal papilla.

Eliminating sebum is dealing with the symptom.

Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.


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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  teacup on Thu Nov 18, 2010 1:16 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:
I have a topical that I add to a shampoo that works quite well for eliminating sebum excess. It will not change the autocrine and paracrine actions from kerotinocytes to the invagination of the hair bulb via dermal papilla.


What's the topical?

CausticSymmetry wrote:
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.


is that good or bad?

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  Balthier on Thu Nov 18, 2010 3:19 am

that would be dmso and lithium look at his topicals page.

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  Maelstrom on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:13 pm

[quote="teacup"]
CausticSymmetry wrote:

CausticSymmetry wrote:
Note the peppermint oil is a type of androgen blockade.


is that good or bad?

I'd like to know the answer to this too if CS could spare the time. I've just added some DMSO and 1 crushed lithium tablet to Dr. Bronners Peppermint soap (the liquid castille stuff).

Would like to know if I should have used something else instead?

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  Decro435 on Sat Nov 20, 2010 6:21 pm

Sebum ---- Fungus ----- Inflammation

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Re: All we need is to remove the sebum

Post  Maelstrom on Sun Nov 21, 2010 3:59 pm

No arguements there. Just wanting to check that an 'androgen blockade' is a good thing.

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