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Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  mphatesmpb on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:38 am

http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays5-1/vegoil.html

This article turned my stomach. I'd appreciate if someone with thorough knowledge of this topic could give an explanation of how this question of saturated vs. unsaturated oils pertains to hair loss. what I understand at this point is this: unsaturated fats contain long-chain fatty acids which are unstable. These acids rapidly oxidized within the body and contribute to inflammatory diseases. It makes sense.

What oil do you guys use in your cooking? I'm going to be more vigilant about what kind of oils are used in the food I eat from now on.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Dec 08, 2010 1:48 am

mphatesmpb - Vegetable oils in their unnatural state (which is most of the time), can increase 5-alpha reductase.

Saturated fat can reduce 5-AR.

Polyunsaturated fats are not completely bad though.

When consumed in unprocessed form, they improve arterial flexibility and here is the proof:

http://brianpeskin.com/BP.com/studies-experiments/IOWA-Study-Results.pdf

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  mphatesmpb on Wed Dec 08, 2010 2:27 am

Thanks CS.

I've found some more interesting information:


Effects of saturated and unsaturated fats with vitamin E supplementation on the antioxidant status of broiler chicken tissues.

(Wikipedia Definition: TBARS is the abbreviation for ThioBarbituric Acid Reactive Substances, harmful substances formed by lipid peroxidation, e.g. as degradation products of fats in foodstuff, and detected by the TBARS assay, using thiobarbituric acid as a reagent.)
Husvéth F, Manilla HA, Gaál T, Vajdovich P, Balogh N, Wágner L, Lóth I, Németh K.
Department of Animal Physiology and Nutrition, Georgikon Faculty, Pannon University of Agricultural Sciences, H-8360 Keszthely, Deák F. u. 16, Hungary. h5544hus@ella.hu
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The influence of fish oil (highly unsaturated) and beef tallow (highly saturated) with vitamin E (100 IU/kg) supplementation on the antioxidant status of broiler chicken cockerels was investigated. Chicks were fed a control diet with no added fat, 40 g/kg each of fish oil and beef tallow diets, respectively, from 11 to 42 days of age. Tocopherol concentration and the rate of lipid peroxidation, thiobarbituric acid reactive substance (TBARS) in liver, fatty acid composition of the liver lipids, blood serum total antioxidant status (TAS), and reduced glutathione (GSH) content were determined.
Vitamin E supplementation of the diet increased liver alpha-tocopherol content in chicks regardless of the type of dietary fat.
Fish oil diet resulted in higher liver TBARS value while beef tallow diet showed lower values compared to the control diet. (the highly unsaturated fats in fish oil are more susceptible to oxidation than the saturated fats contained in beef tallow)
Vitamin E supplementation reduced liver TBARS as well as serum GSH, and raised serum TAS for all diets. (Vitamin E supplementation counteracts the oxidation of unsaturated fatty acids)
Serum GSH was the same for vitamin E supplemented diets regardless of the fat supplement. Fish oil diets resulted in a significant increase in hepatic lipid n-3 PUFA content. A significant positive correlation was found between liver TBARS and n-3 PUFA content. No relationships were established, however, between liver TBARS and n-6 PUFA or saturated fatty acids. The results suggest that feeding oils rich in n-3 PUFA increases tissue concentration of these fatty acids, consequently increasing tissue lipid peroxidation and reducing the antioxidative status of broiler chickens. Supplementing high levels of vitamin E with such oils may increase tissue oxidative stability. Serum TAS or GSH may be used as a measure of antioxidative status in chickens.


Vitamin E seems to counteract the oxidation of the unsaturated fatty acid chains. Monounsaturated fats contain Vitamin E, which suggests that they are better than polyunsaturated fats with regard to the issue of oxidation. I've come across several studies showing that vitamin E supplementation (especially if it contains tocotrienols) has a therapeutic effect on AGA. Maybe this oxidation issue is the reason?

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  mphatesmpb on Sat Dec 11, 2010 4:59 am

CS,

I've read articles about acne vulgaris (a disorder with an etiology very similar to that of AGA) which claim that saturated fats increase sebum production. Shouldn't I be more cautious about emphasizing saturated fats over unsaturated fats?

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  italian on Sat Dec 11, 2010 8:59 am

As part of Mediterranean diet we use extravirgin olive oil which contains a great amount of oleic acid, which is known to be a strong 5 alpha reductase inhibitor.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Dec 14, 2010 6:41 am

mphatesmpb wrote:CS,

I've read articles about acne vulgaris (a disorder with an etiology very similar to that of AGA) which claim that saturated fats increase sebum production. Shouldn't I be more cautious about emphasizing saturated fats over unsaturated fats?

-mp


There are many articles on the Internet condemning saturated fat, but they never can cite any real evidence except for epidemiological studies which unfortunately are meaningless.

You might be interested in this research here, you will find that refined polyunsaturates are shown to have a role, research wise in acne.

http://www.thepaleodiet.com/articles/Final%20Acne%20Article.pdf#search=%22etiology%20of%20acne%22

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  sneha123 on Tue Dec 14, 2010 10:12 am

mphatesmpb wrote:http://www.thescreamonline.com/essays/essays5-1/vegoil.html

This article turned my stomach. I'd appreciate if someone with thorough knowledge of this topic could give an explanation of how this question of saturated vs. unsaturated oils pertains to hair loss. what I understand at this point is this: unsaturated fats contain long-chain fatty acids which are unstable. These acids rapidly oxidized within the body and contribute to inflammatory diseases. It makes sense.

What oil do you guys use in your cooking? I'm going to be more vigilant about what kind of oils are used in the food I eat from now on.


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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  nidhogge on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:01 am

Building off of what Italian said, most of us in America have never had TRUE extra virgin olive oil. I was at the public farmer's market, and had the fortune to speak with an italian lady that had a little international cheese store. She also sells olive oil straight from her family's estate in Italy; it tastes AMAZING. She explained that the stuff they sell in stores is generally 5 to 15% Olive Oil and then a mixture of other things, whereas true olive oil that is enjoyed by folks in the mediterranean region is 95%+. Of course, they never use Olive Oil for cooking as we do neither, as heat destabilizes the Olive Oil's health benefits and makes it essentially worthless. So, use Olive Oil as a dressing or to drip bread in and stuff like that for its benefits!

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  scottyc33 on Wed Dec 15, 2010 2:53 am

I cook with Coconut Oil.

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  mphatesmpb on Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:31 am

This is from the wikipedia article on monounsaturated fats.


Although polyunsaturated fats protect against cardiovascular disease by providing more membrane fluidity than monounsaturated fats, they are more vulnerable to lipid peroxidation (rancidity). On the other hand, some monounsaturated fatty acids (in the same way as saturated fats) promote insulin resistance, whereas polyunsaturated fatty acids are protective against insulin resistance.[1][2] In contrast to this, the large scale KANWU study found that neither dietary monounsaturated or supplemented polyunsaturated fats (in the form of fish oil) affected insulin sensitivity while increased consumption of saturated fat significantly decreased insulin sensitivity.[3]

Foods containing monounsaturated fats reduce low-density lipoprotein (LDL) cholesterol, while possibly increasing high-density lipoprotein (HDL) cholesterol.[4] However, their true ability to raise HDL is still in debate.


The bolded text should concern anybody whose dietary fat intake consists primarily of saturated fat. CS what do you make of the claims made in the article?

PS, sorry for posting so many questions. But I'm just researching the daylights out of everything, and you said on your site that you're open to this. Smile

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Post  mphatesmpb on Sat Dec 18, 2010 7:37 am

Are there any problems with unsaturated fats besides the fact that they are more susceptible to lipid peroxidation than saturated fats? I imagine that we could counteract the oxidation of unsaturated fatty acids by adequate intake of vitamin E (ie., through supplementation). Research indicates that vit. E protects against the oxidative degeneration of unsaturated fatty acids.

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  italian on Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:08 pm

Vitamin E is contained in the oil that also has powerful polyphenols: oleuropein, hydroxytyrosol, oleocanthal, verbascoside.

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Re: Article about Vegetable Oils

Post  AboDi on Sun Dec 19, 2010 9:35 pm

I wanted to ask guys about the possibility to find a tasteless coconut oil , or even milder .. unfortunately I can't handle the taste .. and what is the other choices ?

I think I read something about palm oil but I don't know about its availability .. please input guys !

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Post  mphatesmpb on Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:57 pm

What about canola oil? it appears to be low in polyunsaturated fatty acids. The omega 3-6 ratio is pretty good also.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Dec 30, 2010 9:35 pm

mphatesmpb - Canola oil increases 5-alpha reducatase enzyme.

Canola oil is not desired for many reasons. Also any refined vegetable oil is a bad idea really.

More info here on why Canola oil is not good:

http://aspartame.ca/page_oho3.htm

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