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Post  angstman on Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:26 am

I decided to frequent a couple other forums and apparently a lot of people have jumped on using miconazole on their scalps.

http://www.regrowth.com/hairloss-topic/25445

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Re: Monistat for hair growth?

Post  baller234 on Thu Dec 30, 2010 1:38 am

Yes it definitely works. I'm using it along with nizoral cream and am getting FAST hair growth on temples.

There are probably several mechanisms by which these two grow hair.

Miconazole nitrate- Nitrates increase oxygen. I read somewhere that DHT increases hydrogen in the hair follicle so by using Miconazole Nitrate you are allowing more oxygen to reach the follicle (this is the main reason I think it works). Miconazole (active ingredient in monistat) is reported to lower testosterone levels by inhibiting the conversion of progesterone to test. Progesterone inhibits 5 alpha reductase and would lessen the effects of undesirable estrogens in the hair follicle.

Ketoconazole- Reported to be anti-inflammatory. It also blocks the androgen receptor and clears estradiol and DHT from SHBG. A 5 month Japanese study reported imppressive hair growth from just using nizoral cream.

Also both are anti-fungals which will help improve scalp health if immune system is not doing its job.

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Post  angstman on Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:14 am

If Ive read correctly, it just speeds up hair growth- not actually regrowth?

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Post  baller234 on Thu Dec 30, 2010 2:05 pm

It will make minaturized hairs become terminal. It's not going to grow new hair but it will allow damaged hair to grow longer and (my own speculation) repair itself due to increased oxygen and possibly progesterone.

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Post  teacup on Thu Dec 30, 2010 3:55 pm

Interesting! Wink

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Post  Trace on Thu Dec 30, 2010 5:28 pm

So this product is not natural. I have a lot of miniature hairs on my temple area so I would love to give this a shot.

Baller where do you buy it from.

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Post  tonyj on Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:19 pm

This is interesting, miconazole is an anti-fungal agent and is used for fungus or yeast infections. So the younger gen's hairloss issues may be more related to skin infections, skin infections that may not be visible or even create some type of irritation on the scalp, and the only indication that you have some type of yeast or fungus growth is by thinning or shedding hair.

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Post  action<reaction on Thu Dec 30, 2010 6:34 pm

Malassezia yeasts perhaps.

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Post  tonyj on Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:05 pm

Is that possible? That the Malassezia yeast is the cause for most of these early MPBs. Looking at what little info Wikipedia has on the Malassezia yeast, what scientist know so far is that Malassezia requires fat to grow. and sebaceous glands sweat out fat. But then there was an old study that referred to another study that claimed sebaceous gland activity is higher on high carb diets than fatty diets.

Racial, age and regional differences in human sebaceous glands of the head and neck

Also some scientist speculate that the Malassezia yeast sexually reproduces. No proof yet just speculation. If it does, that means producing offspring with a better chance of survival.

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Post  action<reaction on Thu Dec 30, 2010 7:08 pm

"Cause" in terms of something like MPB is really very Vague, but it's definitely in the process.

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Post  John Marsh on Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:44 pm

Signals sent out by the body determine when the anagen phase ends and the catagen phase begins. The catagen phase, also known as the transitional phase, allows the follicle to, in a sense, renew itself. During this time, which lasts about two weeks, the hair follicle shrinks due to disintegration and the papilla detaches and "rests", cutting the hair strand off from its nourishing blood supply.

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Post  John Marsh on Thu Dec 30, 2010 8:46 pm

Signals sent out by the body determine when the anagen phase ends and the catagen phase begins. The catagen phase, also known as the transitional phase, allows the follicle to, in a sense, renew itself. During this time, which lasts about two weeks, the hair follicle shrinks due to disintegration and the papilla detaches and "rests", cutting the hair strand off from its nourishing blood supply.
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Post  teacup on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:43 am

John Marsh - are you a spammer?

I think scalp parasites do play a role in hair loss.. when i exfoliate or use topicals shedding slows down.. if i go without these for over 4 days my hair sheds like crazy accompanied by itching dandruff etc.. yes diet helps but is has not stopped these scalp reactions.. I tried not washing the hair for a week and it shed more.. I think keeping a clean scalp reduces possible parasites/fungus activity.

I wonder how much of a role hair salons play in spreading such parasites ..

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Re: Monistat for hair growth?

Post  tooyoung on Fri Dec 31, 2010 2:53 am

I've been using miconazole inconsistently for about 2 weeks now, as well as nizorol every 2-3 days because my shampoo is coming in the post.

By "hair growth" does it mean speeding up the growth of hair you already have, or growing hair where there was none before?

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Post  Crusher on Fri Dec 31, 2010 3:41 am

baller,

sounds good! What do you think is the right dosage?
Miconazole cream 2% or 4%?


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Post  Joey on Fri Dec 31, 2010 5:13 am

Used Miconazole 2% a few times and seem to get a headache from it so have backed off it for now. Sometimes I think I might be rubbing in these topicals too much. Using Keto 2% cream once everyday and haven't noticed side effects. Only been around 2 weeks so too early to say if it is doing anything

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Post  sighguy on Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:39 pm

Can anyone confirm if this really works? Also if this regrows hair, will it drop back out if you stop miconazole?

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Re: Monistat for hair growth?

Post  blahblahblah on Thu Jan 31, 2013 3:40 am

I'm beginning to really believe the demodex theory of hairloss. Everything that seems to work for people on this forum makes me believe this:

Retin-A: kills demodex?
Brushing/Ferox method: physically damages demodex and limits reproductive activity?
Itching on skin/scalp: Demodex activity?
Banging hard wooden brush on scalp: damages demodex?
Wearing Brylcreem in hair: kills demodex or inhibits demodex's ability to reproduce. I recently thought about how so many older men I knew had thick, thick hair and always wore some sort of "hair dressing" for the entirety of their lives. One of my grandfathers wore Brylcreem and had thick beautiful hair, and my other grandfather didn't put anything in his hair and it all fell out. This is just a theory
Wearing hats: gives demodex a dark environment that makes them believe it is night, thus fostering overgrowth of demodex populations? Demodex only leave follicles and lay eggs at night.
When you were young and wore hair product: hair product kept demodex at bay, but hair product that went onto forehead killed off demodex, triggering breakouts?
Monostat: kills demodex? kills demodex eggs?
Too much DHT: Adventageous to demodex? Maybe they eat it?
Dr. Brenners: kills demodex if left on scalp long enough or creates a bad environment?
Olive oil/other oils used topically: smother demodex and detach demodex from their placement in hair follicle?
massage : damages demodex due to friction, perhaps dislodging demodex from their place in follicle?


So I think it's not that we need to revitalize the hair follicle/give it extra oxygen/give it nutrients, etc, it's just that we need to eliminate and reduce demodex that are inhibiting the hair from growing normally.

Now I'm trying to decide if mineral oil is a good deterrent to demodex as it is very inexpensive and in many products, such as brylcreemMany women claim that using Ponds Cold Cream is amazing for their skin and destroying demodex and say it is the borax in the cold cream that kills the demodex. However, i think it might be the mineral oil as it is the #1 ingredient after water, I think.

My hairloss didn't start until I started wearing hats all the time because some girl I liked told me it was "gay" that I put hair products in my hair. Before that I used extensive amounts of hair products and my hair couldn't have been thicker.This could've created a 24/7 dark environment for demodex to repopulate. This was ALSO when I started doing the vegan/vegetarian low-protein diet.
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Some more info if interested in this theory: http://www.healio.com/optometry/cornea-external-disease/news/print/primary-care-optometry-news/%7B586c29a0-2bf5-4548-9670-14e88fae9b98%7D/demodex-infestation-requires-immediate-aggressive-treatment-by-doctor-patient

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Post  Isreviro on Thu Jan 31, 2013 8:04 am

blahblahblah wrote:I'm beginning to really believe the demodex theory of hairloss. Everything that seems to work for people on this forum makes me believe this:

If this was the cause of going bald then why do these demodex not kill off the side hairs on the head?

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Post  Lw on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:05 pm

Sea buckthorn oil is known to kill demodex mites.

I own an air conditionner with sbt oil and castor oil in it. I'm using it every two days, for about one week. So I can't say if it's very helpful. Seems to "heat" my scalp in some way.

I do believe the demodex thing. What's interesting is that I got a shed when I started the conditionner. I'm brushing with a bristle brush everyday so I'm not sure what caused the shed. I'm dubitative because I had a shed already from brushing.

Time will tell.

Anyone here using sea buckthorn oil topically ??

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Post  Lw on Thu Jan 31, 2013 1:14 pm

[quote="Isreviro"]
blahblahblah wrote:
If this was the cause of going bald then why do these demodex not kill off the side hairs on the head?

The mites aren't the root cause of MPB imo. Seems obvious. But we still probably have them for some reasons.
Could be all the scalp conditions. Lack of vascularization, low oxygen, serum build up, whatever.. Who are bringing them on the field.
When you think about, scalp itches are sometime very nasty.

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Post  rofl on Thu Jan 31, 2013 5:03 pm

I doubt dermodex are a major cause of mpb. sure some people have them, but i dont think its common. a while ago i studied alot of my hair under the microscope, dermodex being potentially quite visable at 1000x, and i couldnt spot any parasites or microorganisms in my hair, or a few other ppls that i looked at. doesnt mean some ppl dont have them, i just dont think u can say its a common cause. im sure alot of ppl without mpb have them too.

also if they were a cause, a good anti microbial treatment would easily kill them i would think. And many people use them, without a sudden reversal or even cesation of MPB. there has been some ppl who thought they had success with demodex, but i doubt it was actually proven microscopically that they had them in the first place, and then didnt have them, more likely they just treated a fungal infection and acheived some degree of success slowing related hairloss from seborraci dermititis, but retained theyre mpb, giving the illusion that mpb was being reversed.


also i dont think much came of the miconazole fad. it probably helped those with severe dermititis cauysed by fungal infections, and possibly regrew hair, but i dont think it can reverse mpb. after all hairloss from a fungal infection (malezzia furfur), and male pattern baldness are two separate things, but its complicated by the fact that some ppl have both, and seborraic dermititis often occurs at the same areas as a receding hairline, but i think rather than a cause, theres just a correlation, such as mpb AND seborraic dermititis occurring in people who release alot of sebum and oil.

FWIW i also think its just a correlation between sexual activity and mpb, i dont believe too much masturbation/sex i.e. ejacualtion causes mpb, i just think people with high conversion of T into DHT, are prone both to mpb and high sex drive.

i.e. as said many times b4, correlation doesnt neccessarily mean causation.

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Post  nohairequalsnogirls on Fri Feb 01, 2013 7:25 am

Androgenic alopecia is caused by hair that can't stand dht for some reason. Its probably the immune system that directly carries out the deed, and is signaled todo so by dht for some reason.

this by itself however does not explain why androgenic alopecia scalps have slower blood flow through the scalp, assuming they do actually have slower blood flow through the scalp. That conclusion came from one possibly shady Japanese study. if it can be corroborated that scalp blood flow is slower in androgenic alopecia scalps, and that in general the faster the baldness the slower the scalp blood flow, then we have good evidence that increasing scalp circulation could increase hair growth.

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Post  masterfree on Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:23 pm

blahblahblah wrote:I'm beginning to really believe the demodex theory of hairloss. Everything that seems to work for people on this forum makes me believe this:

Retin-A: kills demodex?
Brushing/Ferox method: physically damages demodex and limits reproductive activity?
Itching on skin/scalp: Demodex activity?
Banging hard wooden brush on scalp: damages demodex?
Wearing Brylcreem in hair: kills demodex or inhibits demodex's ability to reproduce. I recently thought about how so many older men I knew had thick, thick hair and always wore some sort of "hair dressing" for the entirety of their lives. One of my grandfathers wore Brylcreem and had thick beautiful hair, and my other grandfather didn't put anything in his hair and it all fell out. This is just a theory
Wearing hats: gives demodex a dark environment that makes them believe it is night, thus fostering overgrowth of demodex populations? Demodex only leave follicles and lay eggs at night.
When you were young and wore hair product: hair product kept demodex at bay, but hair product that went onto forehead killed off demodex, triggering breakouts?
Monostat: kills demodex? kills demodex eggs?
Too much DHT: Adventageous to demodex? Maybe they eat it?
Dr. Brenners: kills demodex if left on scalp long enough or creates a bad environment?
Olive oil/other oils used topically: smother demodex and detach demodex from their placement in hair follicle?
massage : damages demodex due to friction, perhaps dislodging demodex from their place in follicle?


So I think it's not that we need to revitalize the hair follicle/give it extra oxygen/give it nutrients, etc, it's just that we need to eliminate and reduce demodex that are inhibiting the hair from growing normally.

Now I'm trying to decide if mineral oil is a good deterrent to demodex as it is very inexpensive and in many products, such as brylcreemMany women claim that using Ponds Cold Cream is amazing for their skin and destroying demodex and say it is the borax in the cold cream that kills the demodex. However, i think it might be the mineral oil as it is the #1 ingredient after water, I think.

My hairloss didn't start until I started wearing hats all the time because some girl I liked told me it was "gay" that I put hair products in my hair. Before that I used extensive amounts of hair products and my hair couldn't have been thicker.This could've created a 24/7 dark environment for demodex to repopulate. This was ALSO when I started doing the vegan/vegetarian low-protein diet.
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Some more info if interested in this theory: http://www.healio.com/optometry/cornea-external-disease/news/print/primary-care-optometry-news/%7B586c29a0-2bf5-4548-9670-14e88fae9b98%7D/demodex-infestation-requires-immediate-aggressive-treatment-by-doctor-patient

your theories make this whole forum a laughing stock for the anti-natural guys. Hats = hair loss, hair gel = no hair loss etc , I have not heard this much non-sense for a long time. I am not even addressing your theories to refute them because that would give "some" credit to them and unfortunately they are not even worth responding to.

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Post  my1doc199 on Thu Feb 07, 2013 4:58 pm

Is it really effective?? Please explain it more. Mad

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