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"Decalcify" and "Ortho Organic Shampoo & Conditioner" Officially RELEASED

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Re: "Decalcify" and "Ortho Organic Shampoo & Conditioner" Officially RELEASED

Post  pancacke on Sun Jan 23, 2011 12:39 am

nidhogge wrote:This shampoo has strong anti-DHT, anti-bacterial, anti-fungal, anti-parasitical, and great moisturizing properties.
Awesome!! Can't wait to get my hands on these two. Decalcify formula looks superb, definitly a great addition to the original IH regimen!

Order coming soon...

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Post  j87x on Mon Jan 24, 2011 10:29 am

How many of these are yo supposed to take daily?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Mon Jan 24, 2011 1:59 pm

j87x - Three capsules daily (they can all be taken at the same time).


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Re: "Decalcify" and "Ortho Organic Shampoo & Conditioner" Officially RELEASED

Post  nidhogge on Mon Jan 24, 2011 2:46 pm

Silverlin--

Maybe I can swing some emu oil in the next batch, not a bad suggestion at all.

Mary, the lady that produce it, said she will e-mail me some information on ratios this Wednesday. Will share ASAP!

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Post  Silverlin on Mon Jan 24, 2011 3:20 pm

Nid - If you manage to include some quality emu oil in there that would put the icing on the cake for this topical, but remember a little emu oil goes a long way.

Hopefully the ratios are right so this topical can kick ass.

Thanks heaps Nid.

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with all due respect

Post  kydd3 on Mon Jan 24, 2011 5:38 pm

does it also give you a perpetual woody? it seems like it does everything else (theoretically)

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Post  nidhogge on Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:06 am

No kydd, but the Pure Ecklonia Cava seems to significantly increase the frequency of random woodies. Wink CS uses that word often, as we don't have the cash to fund a study for the product, so we can only go off of science that has been funded for the particular ingredients. They are, however, the same ingredients used in the studies.

Silverlin--

Here's what Mary, the formulator of the shampoo, sent to me today regarding ratios and what-not:

Here is basically what I already sent you. Not sure what you are looking for exactly. These are pure, natural organic products so there won't be a laundry list of 'other' ingredients. Hope this helps.

Certified vegetable-based organic ingredients. There are no harsh chemicals, colors, special sudsing agents or other ingredients. Just the following:

Filtered Water, Saponified Organic Oil Blend, Anhydrous Citric Acid, organic rosemary, organic lemongrass, organic tea tree, and your added ingredients.

I retain the right to mix the oil blend in any proportions. I use the following but not always in this order or quantity. I do not always add the same oils to every mixture: coconut, avocado, palm, safflower and castor.


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Post  Silverlin on Tue Jan 25, 2011 7:35 am

nidhogge wrote:I retain the right to mix the oil blend in any proportions. I use the following but not always in this order or quantity. I do not always add the same oils to every mixture: coconut, avocado, palm, safflower and castor.

Ok she doesn't always include the same oils in every mixture? What I get from this is that the shampoo won't be in fixed ratios.

Thats probably going to deter me from buying this product and give me more incentive to just make my own.

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Post  nidhogge on Tue Jan 25, 2011 9:03 am

Silverlin--

What she's saying, is that certain oils augment others better. For our particular batch, she used organic coconut oil, organic olive oil, and organic palm oil for the oil blend. For the Maca, since I provided the ingredient, I told her how much to put in the blend, which was based on the studies that Seveov did with their Maca extract and hair loss. Just want folks to know, she definitely doesn't skimp on ingredients--the cost of this stuff is pretty high to us, and she's not a corporation looking to rip us off or anything like that. Very Happy

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Post  Silverlin on Tue Jan 25, 2011 8:20 pm

nidhogge wrote:Silverlin--

What she's saying, is that certain oils augment others better. For our particular batch, she used organic coconut oil, organic olive oil, and organic palm oil for the oil blend. For the Maca, since I provided the ingredient, I told her how much to put in the blend, which was based on the studies that Seveov did with their Maca extract and hair loss. Just want folks to know, she definitely doesn't skimp on ingredients--the cost of this stuff is pretty high to us, and she's not a corporation looking to rip us off or anything like that. Very Happy

Oh well if that is the case i'll be happy to purchase the product. I guess I was just skeptical because of the ambiguity of her statements.

Anyway thanks Nid!

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Post  nidhogge on Wed Jan 26, 2011 4:28 am

No problem, Silverlin, and I can understand how they'd come off as ambiguous. I've had a number of text and phone conversations that give me more insight into her methods and what-not, so could be hard to convey that in a few words. But, she has earned my trust, and that ain't easy in the hair loss world.

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Post  Mastery on Wed Jan 26, 2011 5:26 pm


On an aside, a perpetual woodie can be very dangerous..., literally

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Post  pancacke on Thu Jan 27, 2011 1:26 am

hey nid,
Can you tell me what the washing agent and foaming agent is in your shampoo?

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Post  nidhogge on Thu Jan 27, 2011 9:23 am

Hey pancacke--

All the ingredients are the ones that are listed there, that's the cool part! No chemicals. The natural citric acid is the foaming agent. Foams up quite well, but the shampoo is very liquidy, so very little is to be put in the palm of your hand then throw on your head and lather it up.

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Post  pancacke on Sun Jan 30, 2011 3:21 am

And the citric acid is also responsibly for cleaning our scalps, right? Currently I wash with shower gel from miessence since my aubrey organics ran out, I have to say it works really well.

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Post  The Natural on Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:28 pm

nidhogge wrote:We were going to include Vitamin D3, but understand that some folks would prefer not to take it internally, so respected that when taking into consideration...

And I find this to be most unfortunate.

What exactly is "Decalcify" without the anti-calcifying agent, vitamin D3 [Osteoporosis International 18: 251-59, 2007], [Current Opinion Lipidology 18: 41-46, Feb. 2007], pray tell.




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Post  nidhogge on Sun Jan 30, 2011 12:54 pm

TN--

Vitamin K2, Potassium and Magnesium all are decalcifying agents. Plus, we have 500g of pharmaceutical-grade D3 waiting to be used...you tell me, what would you want in a D3 product. Some co-factors to enhance absorption for example?

Pancacke--

Yes, found this for you in a quick google:

"After applying oil and leaving it in your scalp and hair all night, you can also take half a lime and scrub out your scalp with it. Let it remain in your hair till it begins to itch, a sure sign that it is actually working. Lime has natural citric acid which will help to remove dandruff from the roots. You may add 10 drops of tea tree oil to a liter of your shampoo. This will automatically sanitize your hair each time you wash. Tea tree oil has very strong anti fungal properties that can actually kill the bacteria causing recurring dandruff if that is what you are troubled with."

Source: http://www.dailyglow.com/askquestion/controlling-dandruff-clean-hair-and-scalp-preventi.html

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Post  The Natural on Sun Jan 30, 2011 4:12 pm

Why consideration was even given to such opinions (which is all they are) that vitamin D3 supplementation is somehow unhealthy, I'll never know...Well, I guess that it doesn't matter now, as you've already finished the product.

Anyway, I would include kelp (iodine).

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Post  scottyc33 on Sun Jan 30, 2011 8:36 pm

The Natural wrote:Why consideration was even given to such opinions (which is all they are) that vitamin D3 supplementation is somehow unhealthy, I'll never know...Well, I guess that it doesn't matter now, as you've already finished the product.

Anyway, I would include kelp (iodine).

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Vitamin D3 is uber-cheap and readily available elsewhere. What's the fuss?

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Post  The Natural on Sun Jan 30, 2011 9:00 pm

scottyc33 wrote:Vitamin D3 is uber-cheap and readily available elsewhere. What's the fuss?

Vitamin D3 is cheap. It is not, unfortunately, "readily available" in the amounts needed by most people. And based upon my readings (e.g. those of Harvard professionals, IH's posts), a "fuss" should not have been made about including it in this "Decalcify" formula.

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Decalcify safe with adrenal fatigue?

Post  NeoGenesis on Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:27 am

Nid or CS- Would decalcify be okay to use for those who are experiencing adrenal fatigue? I ask this because in part of the product faqs it states: "This formula also helps to improve electrolyte balance, which plays a role in the renin-angiotensin-aldosterone system (RAAS) (which, in turn, regulates blood pressure and systemic vascular resistance). When this system is imbalanced, it can create an elevation in aldosterone, which is associated with androgenic alopecia." Those experiencing adrenal fatigue tend to have low aldosterone and are recommended to increase their intake of sodium because of it. I notice that potassium, a direct antagonist of sodium, is included within the formula and am concerned that it could modify one's electrolyte balance unfavorably for those of us experiencing adrenal fatigue. Would this be a product to avoid while dealing with AF? Any thoughts are appreciated, thanks.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Mon Jan 31, 2011 8:56 am

NeoGenesis - The Potassium enhances the retention of Magnesium. Essentially this promotes balance. A lower aldosterone level is a result of adrenal burnout, not enough hormone production. The Magnesium and Zinc in particular will help since these nutrients are often in short supply in those with AF.


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Post  j87x on Mon Jan 31, 2011 9:52 pm

You may consider adding kelp bioferment to the shampoo in the future if not too costly, I found this review to be intriguing:
"I absolutely love this stuff! I put this on my scalp after I shampoo. This stuff saved my hair. I was going bald, no kidding. After a year my hair
was back. I haven't stopped using it. It's now been 3 years and I have healthy strong hair."

http://www.ncnproskincare.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&flypage=shop.flypage&product_id=49&manufacturer_id=0&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=200&cid=10049

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Post  nidhogge on Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:31 am

j87x--

Thanks for bringing seakelp bioferment to my attention, and it looks like some solid stuff:

http://www.skinactives.com/product/detail.aspx?prodID=97

However, it doesn't look like something that would blend particularly well with a completely organic shampoo. The consistency of our stuff is a good deal thinner than your typical shampoo, and sea kelp bioferment appears to be considerably thicker. My guess is that it would separate from the shampoo if mixed in. I like one of the feedback suggestions on that page though:

I cannot rave about Sea Kelp Ultramarine enough! I wash my face with it right out of the jar.....leaves your skin so soft and radiant! I mix a dab with my shampoo when I wash my hair.......WOW! I don't need any other products (I have straight, fine, color-treated hair) because the Ultramarine makes my hair shiney, healthy and full of body.....it's amazing!

That said, I dropped them an e-mail to find out for sure! Will keep you guys updated.

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Post  TheFunkyStumpfighter on Tue Feb 01, 2011 2:48 am

I've been using sea kelp bioferment in my shampoos for a solid 6 or 7 months now, and I couldn't speak more highly of it. Not only does it serve as a really great thickening agent, but the lather that gets worked up with it in the mix is much richer and much easier to spread around. Also, in the probably year and change I have been making my own shampoo mixes, it is easily the best thing I have added as far as cosmetics goes. It does a great job of offsetting how harsh castile can be, and leaves hair really smooth and hydrated. Generally just healthier looking. I use about 3/4oz - 1oz when I make a 16oz mix. If you can find it on the cheap in bulk, then I'd say jump on it.

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