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Post  runnerup on Wed Jul 13, 2011 2:04 am

Any idea on how rabies works then? Always seemed to be an open-shut discussion on if it was transmissible.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:31 am

teacup wrote:Just think of all the marriages that got destroyed when one of the couple found they had HIV in their blood, or AIDS symptoms. I can clearly image a man saying "But honey, i didn't!!" ..and she's pointing at the blood test in her hand, shaking her hand as she screams "where did the HIV come from then?"

CS,
1) weapons
What about germ-warfare viruses, or bacteria like the ones that cause Lime disease or anthrax ... can they actually infect people?

Answer: No, the vaccines will though.

A ton have Lime disease, if bacteria doesn't infect how can a person catch Lime, or how could anthrax eat one's skin?
Are there germ-weapons made of viruses or are they all bacterial? See below for comments about that.

Answer: See comments below

2) bacteria vs mold/fungi vs viruses
Do bacteria, viruses and mold behave in the same way? i.e. they do not infect people, do they create disease? are they all made by the body.

Answer: They are different. They are the result of a toxic body, not the cause of it. I make no money from this viewpoint. I'm only interested in the truth. If people ask those who profit from this belief, they will not likely find an objective answer.

In a case of a root canal, the bacteria that turns anaerobes didn't come from the outside it mutated, but the bacteria itself is not made by the body, rather it is feeding on the body (dead tooth), because the environment allows it. Correct?

Answer: Yes, that's correct. We are made up of bacteria and we have a lot of it in the mouth ready for digestion. Its excrement is neurotoxic when allowed to be existing on decaying tissue. When food is cooked and left out long enough, by the nature of it being cooked it becomes toxic, and when the bacteria feed on it, they emit a toxic byproduct, making the food poisonous. Of course, society blames the bacteria. It's their excrement from eating the toxic substance that created the problem.

So, unlike a virus that is made by the cell to rid of waste, the bacteria comes in or is there all long but mutates per environment conditions and is not made by the body like a virus. Right?

Answer: Bacteria help us out in ways, that scientist are not even aware of yet, maybe they have figured out a small percentage of it so far. Bacteria helps us with toxins in our body. The reason those 100 year old Bulgarian peasants lived so long was a large amount of lactic acid bacteria in their gut. They drank fermented dairy products, which in today's 'modern' world is shunned out of the ignorant fear of bacteria.

If we have a toxin, the bacteria will make an attempt to detoxify it, if they can't do it, we may need a flu to purge it out. Or our body may eject it in the form of lesions that we discussed earlier in this thread, which again, are blame to be the problem (virus) instead of it merely being a reaction to a toxin.

I believe everything that I am stating because the theory works in my own experience, and the germ theory and virus infection theory do not apply to my experience. Nor do they apply to other's experience who also share that viewpoint.

I can clearly see how the (non-living) virus is made to rid the cells of waste or toxins, but I can also see how mold can take over a body part and mold is definitely not made by the body, what about bacteria (salmonela, ecoli, C. tetani, etc) can you catch bacteria and get sick or is it all made by the host? It seems bacteria and mold are more similar than viruses, since they are living, feed of the environment.. Could one get infected with mold if they inhale mold spores from a shower curtain or moldy food etc..?

Answer: I think I addressed that above, they are the reaction to the toxin.

They come to the scene to clean it up, but they are blamed for the disaster. It's like blaming firemen for trying to hose out the fire. What they're not considering is the toxin involved. If you leave out raw meat (not cooked at all) and let it rot freely, there will be a lot of bacteria. If you eat it, you will not get sick.

However, if you cook just a small portion of that raw meat, that small portion of it will be toxic and when the bacteria feed off it, the waste product from that decay could be toxic, and likely make you sick if you ate it.

I cannot address mold too well, because I have very little experience with it. It maybe an issue, so I cannot comment on it.

Thanks!

When soldiers get vaccines they get diseases. The Anthrax vaccine caused Gulf war syndrome. As for Anthrax itself, it's a scam. The "idiot box" known as a TV is a propaganda machine, the truth isn't found there. Most of us can't help begin to believe something if we hear it long enough.

The pig flu occurs by injection. You get a vaccine, you get the pig flu. Most cases of the flu were assumed to be the pig flu and documented as such without any actual check. Many who died from pneumonia were documented as dying from the pig flu. If the pig flu were really infectious, where is the epidemic? Most people wisely did not get vaccinated with the poison.

The world will continue believing this myth and I am only part of a very small minority who think differently. So there's really no point in me trying to make a case for this.

About Lyme, here's a doctor who thinks differently about what it really is:

http://www.insightdirectory.com/articles-/184-healing-destinations-interview-dr-harvey-bigelsen-by-suzie-daggett.html


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Re: STD - AIDS. Very worried

Post  pancacke on Wed Jul 13, 2011 5:50 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:The pig flu occurs by injection. You get a vaccine, you get the pig flu. Most cases of the flu were assumed to be the pig flu and documented as such without any actual check.
I belive that the pig flu epidemic in the ukraine was started by contaminated vaccines, but the great majority got infected by people who got a shot. The only other explanation I could think of are willingly contamination of the drinking water or similar.


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Post  Misirlou on Wed Jul 13, 2011 6:01 am

Could someone please sum up this thread? bounce

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Post  teacup on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:03 am

Thanks CS, this is good education. I am open minded to this theory and will continue to examine it.

A short quote from the link you posted "... Harvey Bigelsen M.D. (no longer licensed by choice) ..."

.. sounds like something I'd do. I have been wanting to go to med school, but ...


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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:35 am

teacup wrote:Thanks CS, this is good education. I am open minded to this theory and will continue to examine it.

A short quote from the link you posted "... Harvey Bigelsen M.D. (no longer licensed by choice) ..."

.. sounds like something I'd do. I have been wanting to go to med school, but ...


Dr. Harvey Bigelsen ran into some real problems with the medical establishment. Many good doctors have run into serious trouble. I wouldn't doubt if there isn't a good book somewhere on the subject. The problem that many physicians face is that they have to follow protocol, which is often lacking in results.

Physicians are at the greatest risk of losing their license for not following protocol. It doesn't matter if they save someone's life using an alternative method, if they are investigated using that approach, regardless of the result, jail, fines or decommission is a very real possibility.

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Post  Misirlou on Wed Jul 13, 2011 7:50 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:
I wouldn't doubt if there isn't a good book somewhere on the subject.
http://drbigelsen.com/Biological_Health_Institute/Store.html

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Jul 13, 2011 8:26 am

Misirlou wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:
I wouldn't doubt if there isn't a good book somewhere on the subject.
http://drbigelsen.com/Biological_Health_Institute/Store.html

Ha, ha nice find Misirlou!

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Post  Directo on Wed Jul 13, 2011 10:46 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:First AIDs is not HIV, so whatever actually causes it, must be a toxin that is severe enough to suppress the immune system. If something was designed to cause cancer in laboratory animals, one way to do that is to suppress the immune system.

Whatever the agent is that is suppressing the immune system, would not be infectious. It's like saying cancer is infectious
But it does not really answer my question: is Aids can be transmitted by blood-to-blood contact?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Jul 13, 2011 11:16 am

It's not contagious. If the toxin that causes it were to be introduced via blood transfusion, hypothetically that could cause it.

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Post  magic_gro on Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:04 am

http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/07/new-virus-jumps-from-monkeys-to-.html

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Jul 16, 2011 8:13 am

magic_gro wrote:http://news.sciencemag.org/sciencenow/2011/07/new-virus-jumps-from-monkeys-to-.html

Junk science.

I second the comment from within: "The receptors/attach vector for the virus are the same for the monkeys as in the humans (possibly multiple species of money)."


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Post  Raxe on Sun Jul 17, 2011 5:36 am

I find this whole topic crazy.

if I am reading this right, the contention is: if you never met someone (meaning you had different, diets, living conditions, barometric pressure differences) and they had the flu and you came into contact with them, you would not get the flu?

What about chicken pox?

Or the plague?

I know a girl (who is a yoga instructor, eats an extremely healthy lifestyle) who had sex with 2 people before going away on a trip. First night she had unprotected sex with a guy she just met. He had herpes. She got herpes.

I'm supposed to believe this is because they share the same environment somehow and not because he passed this to her?

CS, couldn't the reason you don't get sick be due to your immune system being stronger (due to supplements) and it beat back any pathogens?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Jul 17, 2011 7:02 am

The simple explanation is that a non-living virus is being blamed instead of a toxin. The disconnect on this whole premise is that no one is talking about the specific toxins involved and they are everywhere. Sudden outbreaks of whatever will affect those people who are either young and not exposed to the toxin previously, (an important part of building up their innate immune system) or people who eat and breath most of the environmental pollutants as others who like most people have less than optimal immune function.

If you give someone a substance that raises their glutathione level high enough, they will be immune to a flu, no matter how many people who have it are around.

In prison populations, those giving enough vitamin D, which does raise glutathione levels did not get the flu as others did.

When I've seen people with high viral loads, those loads went to zero after continuous antioxidant therapy through IV.

If someone has a herpes eruption, or if they have chicken pox or shingles this toxin will be ejected and cleared out by an intravenous vitamin C infusion.

If someone has the measles, a high dose of Vitamin A, in the several hundreds of thousands of units for a few days will knock it out.

Whatever the so-called outbreak is or was, it's related to a toxin. Polio is thought be caused by a toxin in the cerebrospinal fluid. One theory is that the introduction of tin cans during the period was a brand new situation, that the advent of that toxin created a lot of polio cases. Of course by the time the vaccine came out, polio was already wiped out, like the other vaccines.

If you get the swine flu, you were either injected with it via vaccine before or you were misdiagnosed, which is usually the case.

If these viruses were really what they were supposed to be, I don't see any of this in the wild. Rabies is a myth like everything else. Yes, we've all seen propaganda videos and these makers might believe it, but they are ignoring that there's no evidence that is scientifically valid about viruses or even germs.

It's a similar premise to germs....According to the orthodox view it is okay to cook our food, but in animals it's okay to eat everything raw. Looking at the most healthy people on earth, they eat primarily raw food and have the least toxic load.

If you take a cat or a dog and feed it raw food and compare it with a cat or dog fed "pet food," which isn't raw, the differences in health will be profound. No problems and long life span in the raw group, and all kinds of trips to the vet in other pet food group.

It's the terrain of the body that matters, not the germ. The virus is non-living and involves the eradication of the toxin, it is not responsible for the toxin.

If you look at a picture of a virus, it's non living. The nebulous explanation by the medical community is similar to how people just 500 years ago thought that the sun revolved around the earth. It appears logical, so few ever question it.

There are lots of things about the human body that are not fully understood and from what I have learned, lots of orthodox explanations make no sense in observation or practice.

One doctor reports how he sees people who are diagnosed with hepatitis C, their viral load drops when an implant is removed, such as an IUD. How do people explain virgins getting HSV? It happens all the time.

My final point is, for as many what if's on one side, I can produce just as many what ifs that are just as difficult to answer. The medical profession is setup to treat symptoms, not understand how to fix the problem--because that's the most profitable way to go. As long as the focus is that way, no real research will be revealed by "creditable sources" to change any one's view.




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Post  teacup on Sun Jul 17, 2011 9:15 am

Raxe,
One of the links posted earlier in this discussion has a lot of good history on Antoine Bechamp, and Pleomorphism. The germ theory, is a theory, most people forget the word "theory" in "germ theory" and think of it as fact.. and ignore the evidence than can/has disproven this theory, but they seem to not be interested in investigating it.

CS,
When I went to college, I was tested for TB, and they told me based on the test I was exposed to TB at some point in my life. They told me I either had it or that I was vaccinated for it... I believe it was a skin test http://www.google.com/search?q=TB+skin+test&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=yLt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

I just read from a friend in NY who had Lyme disease 3 times... and they used antibiotics to kill bacteria from this disease that was in his brain and effected his mood.

So, if I understand Pleomorphism, the bacteria evolved within his body due t the environment, the poisons the bacteria made caused the sickness, killing the bacteria stops the poisons and thus the "Lyme" is gone.. Is this interpretation correct?

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Post  Raxe on Mon Jul 18, 2011 1:08 am

Teacup, not trying to be obtuse - But, we call gravity a "theory" also.

CS, maybe HPV can be transmitted in ways other than sexual contact?

I don't see how the glutathione reference is meaningful - I would read that to say glut protects against flu, or vitamin C does the same.

As far as aids references go, a lot of this is people suffer from the availability heuristic. you don't hear about AIDS as much anymore because mortality rates, especially in the US have dropped due to drug cocktails. I just read an article about AIDS last week - peoples focus shift on whims and trends, that doesn't mean problems dissapear.

By no means am I saying poor diet/toxins don't contribute to bad health - But to say that there are no contagious diseases I find hard to believe.

Smallpox wiped out a lot of the natives in south america when the europeans landed. I can't see an explanation for this that would comport with your theory.

I've known at least a dozen people whove gotten STD's from others with STD's - I don't think it was because they were exposed to the same toxin - unless you are suggesting that toxins are spread through sexual contact.

Anyway, I'll read up on this - Admittedly, I do not know all of the details of the theory you are proposing. But, on it's face, what you are proposing seems outrageous.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Mon Jul 18, 2011 6:48 am

teacup wrote:Raxe,
One of the links posted earlier in this discussion has a lot of good history on Antoine Bechamp, and Pleomorphism. The germ theory, is a theory, most people forget the word "theory" in "germ theory" and think of it as fact.. and ignore the evidence than can/has disproven this theory, but they seem to not be interested in investigating it.

CS,
When I went to college, I was tested for TB, and they told me based on the test I was exposed to TB at some point in my life. They told me I either had it or that I was vaccinated for it... I believe it was a skin test http://www.google.com/search?q=TB+skin+test&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=yLt&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official

I just read from a friend in NY who had Lyme disease 3 times... and they used antibiotics to kill bacteria from this disease that was in his brain and effected his mood.

So, if I understand Pleomorphism, the bacteria evolved within his body due t the environment, the poisons the bacteria made caused the sickness, killing the bacteria stops the poisons and thus the "Lyme" is gone.. Is this interpretation correct?

I hope we can wrap this subject up, because it's not likely to change anyone's views and this perception of disease will continue on indefinitely.

Tuberculosis can be averted by nutrition (Vitamins A & D).

Regarding Lyme and Pleomorphism: If you get surgery or get into an accident, all of a sudden you may have a block in flow. Wherever the block is created, whether it's due to dental procedure or having a scar due to the scalpel, bacteria can change to another form. They were not caught from somewhere--this is why Lyme disease patients do not need to be bitten by a tick. If you change the terrain, or fix the block in the body. That block could be caused by a structural problem. Meaning that the alignment of the bones is out of place. So, if there is a structural problem, is must be corrected. Unfortunately, very few doctors understand structure and how to correct it.

The choice on whether the germ and virus theory should be accepted requires a lot of education. Since 90% of everything in medicine is wrong, to even explain this process is not easy. If you look at history during plagues or smallpox or whatever breakout that history mentions, what is interpreted by whomever will create the foundation for the belief system.

What is ignored, because people do not understand is that a serious quality of food and/or nutrition was lacking. Switches to refined foods, lack of fat soluble vitamins. Reading Weston A. Price's "Physical & Nutritional Degeneration" is a must to understand these concepts.

Taking a second look at the history of disease, if you understand what these people were eating or not eating, it will become more apparent, and it's also necessary to know how fat soluble vitamins play a role in immune health.

It's really sad, but because of these germ and virus theories, people are in FEAR (false expectation appearing to be real).

How many people really understand the role and vitamin A, D, E and K play in immune health? Very few, I think.

Instead, people are mis-educated to fear and to be aware of symptoms, never understand true causes.

I can list hundreds of everyday lies we are told about health. But this subject is the most difficult for people to accept. Virtually everyone is sick, so society teaches us to expect this, and do a large extent, we are being proposed and marketed ideas that have never been proven. So my explanation which is shared by few is always going to be controversial to say the least.

HPV isn't contagious.

Final note, I won't answer anymore questions about this. Time is too valuable.

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Post  Misirlou on Mon Jul 18, 2011 7:54 am

So if viruses are non-infections biological units essentially produced to help our bodies fight toxins, in what ways could toxins be transmitted into humans?

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Post  teacup on Mon Jul 18, 2011 10:51 am

Thank you CS.

Misirlou, I'm not an expert on this and probably don't know any more than you do, toxins come from many sources, air, food, water, environment, bodily functions, lack of nutrients, teeth, etc..

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Post  GoodThings on Mon Jul 18, 2011 11:45 am

Anyone read this book?
http://www.amazon.com/Inventing-AIDS-Virus-Peter-Duesberg/dp/0895263998/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1310949919&sr=1-1

Currently reading it.

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Post  thissucks on Mon Jul 18, 2011 2:32 pm

Thank you again CS for all the valuable information in this thread.

I know myself and many others find everything you are saying extremely useful... life-changing in fact. I would love to hear more, but I know your time is limited, so thanks again for all the thought-provoking and enlightening information that you've provided us with here.

It really is amazing how little we still know today about our own bodies, even today. Shocked But this thread (along with all the other great information on this forum) seems light years ahead of what mainstream science tells us.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Mon Jul 18, 2011 4:50 pm

thissucks and teacup, thanks for keeping and open mind and your interest Smile

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Post  j87x on Thu Jul 21, 2011 1:36 pm

I'm curious as to what your explanation for chickenpox is? My understanding is that it is one of the most contagious viruses, people will bring their kids over to other kids houses who have chickenpox to catch it. I never caught it because I had the vaccine. Thanks.

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Final note, I won't answer anymore questions about this. Time is too valuable.

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Post  empty on Thu Jul 21, 2011 2:00 pm

By the way, tons of evidence establishing the causal relationship between HIV and AIDs exists. We know quite well the pathogenesis involved here, it's just difficult to target HIV because it mutates at a high rate.

Scientists are trying to mimic the bodily mechanisms by which "elite controllers," the 1 in 300 people who have HIV but do not contract AIDs:
http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/notrocketscience/2011/06/20/herding-hiv-into-an-evolutionary-dead-end-%E2%80%93-study-finds-the-virus%E2%80%99s-weak-spots/

No offense, but these people have a far greater understanding of biology than any of us; they've slaved over the empirical data showing the causal relationship between HIV and AIDs and the mechanisms by which this occurs. Bechamp drew upon empirical data for his theory as well.

I'm not saying these people are correct 100% of the time (there's no certainty in science), but I'm saying 1) biology and medical science ARE NOT one in the same across the board, so please stop mixing them up, 2) these theories have been supported by empirical data. To say there are no data supporting the theories is incorrect.

I've got an open mind and I'll continue to read about the other theories. Just don't forget there's data supporting the orthodox. Lots of it.

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