Pappilla Power vs Maliniak Method

Not naming names, but this technique seems to draw out a lot of what I feel are shill posters, that claim results then magically disappear or make up a myriad of excuses when asked for photographic proof, especially blaming the persons who are asking for proof. This is NOT the only website I've noticed this trend on. If you read the postings of the "Yay-Sayers", there seems to be a lot of commonalities. The internet should be packed with hundreds or thousands of people EAGER to show their great hair growth results, especially on youtube videos, blogs, facebook, etc. But that's not what's happening. Why is that?

I'm not doing either of these methods in particular but am using ideas similar to what I suppose they use? I've never read either one on my own but others have been discussing it here and other places enough to get the gist of what's going on. In a few months I plan to make some update photos and post them...
That being said.

With the steady progress I'm getting with my current regimen, I haven't been checking the boards quite as much and am thinking less about my hair since it seems like I have something that is working for me. Working better than being on finasteride (proscar) and minoxidil ever did I might add and I did respond to both of those decently.

I think people just don't come back as much once they find something that works for them. I almost didn't even post this response since I don't feel as engaged in the dialogue of finding a cure as much as I feel confident and happy that what I'm doing is working.
But like I said I ( and most others I think) aren't doing any of these specific methods so much as a combination of things that can be found around the board. Each of us picking what seems to work for us.

Hope that helps?

I only posted this response so that you wouldn't shrug of these simple methods like I did for so many years. They're definitely worth trying out but you need to be consistent.

Hi gentlemen,

Just a quick, light-hearted comment as to the continued DOUBT expressed by some people about the comments from people who are getting good results with the MALINIAK METHOD and whether or not they are really LEGITIMATE and whether they are truly "unsolicited" or not.

Some people, like the guy who started off this whole thread here called HOBBES ( who I have tried desperately to get to write to me personally and identify himself) and others, both here and on other HAIR FORUM sites, like ARCHON, ZAMBUTU, DREXX, ELIOTRAMSEY, CYBERPRIMATE, NEWBY, and others, have ALL posted comments about their success with this method BEFORE me having even heard about them first OR KNOWING WHO THEY WERE. Later I got to know some of them personally AFTER they made these posts and then wrote to me personally with questions and I asked them to continue to update people on these forums with their progress...OR honestly to openly report failures or lack of success...with NO STRINGS attached.

So these testimonials and many others like them were completely " UNSOLICITED" when they first appeared. After that, I asked them to continue to post.

A few others, like the new guy RAYDALZIEL, wrote to me first privately, before posting any comments, and HE was so excited about his very fast results that he OFFERED to help, even to make a financial contribution, which I said was NOT necessary. In his case, I just asked him, that if he wants to help, to just tell others about the MALINIAK METHOD and post comments on these HAIR FORUMS...which he did... but I had no input or control over what he said at all.

So this one is not completely "unsolicited" but it repeats what he said to me privately first and because I thought it was important enough and of potential interest to people still undecided about all of this, I did ASK him to tell others about it. He obviously did so with great " ENTHUSIASM "...which I really appreciate.

There are just TOO MANY different people now from all over the world posting these type of comments for them to ALL be dismissed as some sort of "conspiracy" , BUT... some people will never be satisfied. If I posted one hundred( 100) pictures on the website of my steady progress or that of others they would want 200. If they were too GOOD...they would claim they are FAKE or PHOTO-SHOPPED. This is why we have never relied on too many BEFORE and AFTER pictures or "solicited" testimonials on the site itself. We prefer if people decide based on the LOGIC of the thoery and treatment method AND on the basis of these independent and unsolicited testimonials NOT posted on our website, but posted on these various forums. If I even had an " affidavit" from 100 ordained NUNS, that they witnessed every step of my progress and that of these other members...there are some people would still say " THEY ARE ALL IN ON IT".

So, I do not waste my time trying to convince these people who continue to be in DENIAL or who refuse to ACCEPT the obvious; This MALINIAK METHOD is legitimate and ALL these different people are NOT "in on any conspiracy".

Those of you who are still skeptical and cynical, do NOT buy the book and do not go on this method...I DO NOT TRY TO FORCE ANYBODY...

I DO NOT EVEN FORCE ANYONE TO BUY A MACHINE FROM US AND I TELL THEM WHAT THEY CAN BUY ELSEWHERE !

But those of you who have read the website and are satisfied with the " layman's " LOGIC of it all and are satisfied with the credibility and sufficiency of the PROOF of its effectiveness, including my testimonials and those of ALL these other people, then come and join our group and do exactly what I say.

IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG TO COME UP WITH SOMETHING WHICH FINALLY WORKS...please do not fool around with it by trying "variations" which have not been tested and do not rely on partial second-hand accounts which are mis-leading and incomplete...READ IT YOURSELF.

In conclusion, I also get PRIVATE letters from many other people who are also getting great results with this method but who want to keep their situation private and confidential and do not want to post on these sites at this time, although I have asked them to do so at a later date when they are more comfortable with doing so. Some of the YOUNG men, report results that are so fast, like RAY, that it is hard to believe...BUT THIS IS CONSISTENT WITH MY THEORY...especially for very young men, just starting to lose their hair. Not everyone reacts that fast...most take 3-4 months to see the first results...but it is being reported more and more and it is very gratifying to get these heart-felt letters of thanks from these people who are so traumatized by their hair loss they were afraid to go out in public.

Those of us with this problem will understand.

So READ the whole thing for yourself and decide what to do.

Sincerely,

LEON MALINIAK

I can't complain about someone wanting to help. If Malianak was selling something, then I'd be suspicious..nobody should buy from anyone just here with a sales pitch. I wouldn't buy at all from someone here to sell a product. But he just tells you where to get it. I got my violet ray from (www) . violet-ray. com
Because it has the same specs Malianak recommends. I found a lot of cheap models around but they are weak or junky and maybe 1/10th the output and most of them are fly by night operations or somewhere in china. So I found a US company that puts out a solid product and is less than the other US companies. I asked about their warranty and they said they have a lifetime warranty. Cant beat that, if Im paying for something I don't want it breaking 3 months in and nothing I can do about it. They also said that theirs has the original therapeutic frequency range to get into tissues, not just on surface. I think when someone said, isn't a lower voltage ok, if you are going to just use it at low setting? I think the frequency has more to do with it, myself, so I looked for the same frequency. They had a couple different kinds, one a lot cheaper, but I wanted a longer warranty.

So that made my decision seeing they had the lowest price for that kind and if I found it cheaper anywhere I could tell them and they would match it..plus still get the lifetime warranty. Which I didn't find it anywhere cheaper. So I Went ahead and ordered today, and got the Malianak book already from amazon.
They got one more used at amazon but its $218? Crazy.

So give Malianak a break. it seems he has this method and massage and is getting good results, and just tells you where to get the product. He's NOT selling anything.

So...wish me luck.

Leon,

I am 29 years now and A Nw 2.5. I am slowing receding and the front "island" part of my hair is thinning out a little. I am wondering if I do the scalp exercises alone without the machine can I at least halt my hairloss for years? I cannot buy the machine and really do not trust this machine.

I want to do scalp exercises only. Will this help maintain the good amount of hair I have? I believe in your methods but I don't know if I trust these machines and I do not have the money to buy them too. Thanks

Robmos86 wrote:I can't complain about someone wanting to help. If Malianak was selling something, then I'd be suspicious..nobody should buy from anyone just here with a sales pitch. I wouldn't buy at all from someone here to sell a product. But he just tells you where to get it. I got my violet ray from (www) . violet-ray. com
Because it has the same specs Malianak recommends. I found a lot of cheap models around but they are weak or junky and maybe 1/10th the output and most of them are fly by night operations or somewhere in china. So I found a US company that puts out a solid product and is less than the other US companies. I asked about their warranty and they said they have a lifetime warranty. Cant beat that, if Im paying for something I don't want it breaking 3 months in and nothing I can do about it. They also said that theirs has the original therapeutic frequency range to get into tissues, not just on surface. I think when someone said, isn't a lower voltage ok, if you are going to just use it at low setting? I think the frequency has more to do with it, myself, so I looked for the same frequency. They had a couple different kinds, one a lot cheaper, but I wanted a longer warranty.

So that made my decision seeing they had the lowest price for that kind and if I found it cheaper anywhere I could tell them and they would match it..plus still get the lifetime warranty. Which I didn't find it anywhere cheaper. So I Went ahead and ordered today, and got the Malianak book already from amazon.
They got one more used at amazon but its $218? Crazy.

So give Malianak a break. it seems he has this method and massage and is getting good results, and just tells you where to get the product. He's NOT selling anything.

So...wish me luck.

Cool so we should get our violet-ray from violet-ray.com
Thanks for the input and for promoting your site on here.

oh fer chris sakes, just trying to contribute. I got the link from THIS BOARD

Wasabi wrote:
I bought this one:

(redacted) violet-ray. com/new-violet-rays/85-electronic-violet-ray. html

Maliniak wrote me a novel on why it wouldn't work - but his vague logic didn't add up to me. This one is 92% as powerful as the one he sells and about 1/4 the cost. Never having used a coil VR, I can't compare the sensations, but I can say that the electric one I have definitely packs a punch - if I turn it up much more than half-way it becomes almost unbearable (for me at least). I think the VRs advertised as facial devices or whatever are probably much weaker. The color of the electrode just depends on the gas inside, and as far as I know that doesn't matter (the one I use is orange).

I think there is merit to his method, but I have a hard time fully trusting Malaniak - especially when obvious shills show up to "tell their story." But I'm sure we'll hear a compelling defense very soon...

You know, I have gotten up a great deal of nerve to post here after lurking, and suddenly an idiot to make the whole forum look hostile. Ill chalk it up to one troll and move on to another thread.

date stamped, me

Gentlemen,

I only comment on these forums now when someone is giving false or mis-leading information which may cause people to not do the MALINIAK METHOD PROPERLY.

I suggest you listen to the advice of ROBMOS86, who seems to have this all in perspective, and not to WASABI who is giving mis-leading and untested advice and suggesting "variations" to the MALINIAK METHOD which will cause people to be disappointed.

WASABI is giving advice about things he has never tested and which he has no idea whether or not they work for hair loss. I responded to his post on another thread by saying the device he is now suggesting is a SOLID STATE device which is nowhere near the combination of specs of the ORIGINAL science of NIKOLA TESLA, upon which my system is based...and he doing so just because it is CHEAPER and is 92%, he says, of the specs I use in my system. In an earlier post he implied that because it had a "PUNCH"...that it was as good as the one I recommend.

IRRELEVANT AND UNTESTED.

On the other hand, I HAVE IN FACT tested dozens and dozens of devices, including SOLID STATE devices like the one he is suggesting, and I would have loved to find one that is cheaper and still duplicates the original science of TESLA, but they did not and they were USELESS for hair loss.

AS ROBMOS86 POINTS OUT; WE DO NOT EVEN INSIST THAT PEOPLE BUY THE DEVICE FROM US...THEY CAN IF THEY WANT...BUT THEY CAN ALSO BUY IT ELSEWHERE...AS LONG AS THEY GET THE EXACT ONE THAT I SUGGEST AND NO OTHER.

In spite of this freedom to get the machine wherever they want, many people around the world ADAMANTLY insist on getting the right machine from us in GRATITUDE for my having come up with this method and I am overwhelmed and so appreciative of their civilized and humanitarian attitude. They also know I am recovering from a seven year battle with my wife's BREAST cancer, which has ruined me financially, and so they do not begrudge me making a few dollars from all of this. These kind and co-operative people have my eternal gratitude.

It has taken so long to come up with something which finally works for HAIR LOSS and which is so simple...it makes no sense to "PLAY" around with it and suggest variations which have never been tested or proven.

Just do the MASSAGE portion of the MALINIAK METHOD the way I explain in the book and get ONLY the proper violet ray device which I have tested and PROVEN to be effective.

Even if you buy the proper device and spend a few dollars more, this MALINIAK METHOD is still the absolutely LEAST EXPENSIVE system to treat hair loss available...but more importantly...IT REALLY WORKS.

Final note to HAIRISTHICKENING; Please write me a private note to my direct e-mail at LEONMAL33@HOTMAIL.COM and I will tell you how I can help.

Sincerely,

LEON MALINIAK

whoa whoa, don't get me involved in the middle of things. I linked Wasabi's link because that exact solid state violet ray is the one I bought. If you guys are arguing, keep me out of it. I did look at the tesla type, but even then the malianak book suggests it costs $425, except you can get the tesla coil one from the website Wasabi posted for $299, or Baar for $399. So, since Malianak isn't selling anything, then it works for me to do my homework and either get the same thing for more than $100 off and a good warranty, or a really close version for my tighter budget from the same company. Who says themselves its just as good.

what would make a difference between a tesla coiled one and a solid state? Say somebody made one with exact amount of power as the specs required would it fail just because it's solid state? I'd like to get one too, but no way would I spend over 300 right now at least.

Gentlemen,

This is LEON MALINIAK trying to tell you one last time about WHAT is the proper violet ray machine...AFTER THAT I WILL COLLABORATE WITH ONLY THOSE PEOPLE WHO FOLLOW MY ADVICE AND DO THIS MALINIAK METHOD "CORRECTLY"...AND NOT THOSE WHO IGNORE WHAT I SAY and what IT HAS TAKEN SO LONG TO FIGURE OUT.

As I have said over and over, I don't care if you buy THE MACHINE from someone else as long as you get only the correct machine or else you are not really on the MALINIAK METHOD and you will not get results. Just because something is "called" a violet ray device and just because it has some specs which seem to be "close" to the ones first created by NIKOLA TESLA, does not mean mean they are just as good. CLOSE DOES NOT COUNT. Most of these lower powered, cheaper devices are sold for FACIAL treatments and they are perhaps effective for that BUT, they have not proven, in my TESTING to be effective for hair loss at all.

I have tested so many machines OVER A PERIOD OF TWO YEARS on so many different people and the one which has the specs of the ORIGINAL science of NIKOLA TESLA is the ONLY one that got results for hair loss. IT WAS SO OBVIOUS...THERE WAS NO DOUBT. I especially tested this type of SOLID STATE device because I would have been thrilled if it had been effective since it was lighter and it much cheaper...BUT IT DID NOT WORK.

The SOLID STATE device does NOT have the same exact combination of specs, meaning the voltage range, the frequency range and the AMPERAGE of the ORIGINAL science and if ANY KIND of violet ray was sufficient...this problem would have been solved a long time ago because many manufacturers of these devices CLAIM that their device is effective for hair loss, because 100 years ago, that is ONE of the purposes they were designed for...but the new cheaper machines are NOT like those OLD, original devices. Some manufacturers, who have now heard of the MALINIAK METHOD have tried to claim that their device is the one that I use...BUT THIS IS FALSE.

If money is a problem...don't buy a NEW one and just shop around, LIKE I SAY IN THE BOOK and find a good USED one...they can be had for prices around $ 100.00...AS LONG AS YOU STILL GET ONE WITH THE EXACT SPECS I SUGGEST AND NOTHING ELSE...OR ELSE YOU WILL BE WASTING YOUR TIME AND END UP BEING FRUSTRATED AND DISAPPOINTED.

Those of you who do not have financial restrictions....do not fool around and just get the proper device from us.

To STOP HAIR LOSS and GROW BACK NEW HAIR is too important an issue to fool around with and this new SIMPLE two step MALINIAK METHOD is really working...so do NOT fool around with it.

Later on, and only AFTER MUCH TESTING...if someone PROVES that any other type of device is equally effective and is much cheaper...then I would be glad to switch and endorse it...but right now it is OBVIOUS that the exact ORIGINAL device is the ONLY one that works for hair.

One more important reminder; No matter what violet ray device you buy...even the BEST ONE in the world...IF YOU DO NOT FIRST RELAX THE "GALEA" in the way I say in the book...the machine will do NOTHING.

Sincerely,

LEON MALINIAK

leonmal wrote:Gentlemen,

I suggest you listen to the advice of ROBMOS86, who seems to have this all in perspective, and not to WASABI who is giving mis-leading and untested advice and suggesting "variations" to the MALINIAK METHOD which will cause people to be disappointed.

WASABI is giving advice about things he has never tested and which he has no idea whether or not they work for hair loss. I responded to his post on another thread by saying the device he is now suggesting is a SOLID STATE device which is nowhere near the combination of specs of the ORIGINAL science of NIKOLA TESLA, upon which my system is based...and he doing so just because it is CHEAPER and is 92%, he says, of the specs I use in my system. In an earlier post he implied that because it had a "PUNCH"...that it was as good as the one I recommend.

Leave me in peace, Maliniak. All I did was to share my opinion and what I decided to do. That's what people do on forums. This isn't a courtroom, and your attacks just make you look foolish.

oh you had me confused you said it like it's one brand, but as long as it has the original specs it's ok I understand now. How many people on your method for a while have had frontal regrowth or complete restoration of the hairline or is it more the vertex?

GENTLEMEN,

THOSE OF YOU WHO ARE HONORABLE AND HONEST and who see the LOGIC and MERITS of the MALINIAK METHOD, you are invited to write to me PRIVATELY at LEONMAL33@HOTMAIL.COM...and I will give you all the HELP and SUPPORT you need and I will work with you until your HAIR LOSS problem is solved...I am very pro-active with our members and help them every step of the way...I DO NOT GIVE UP.

However, I will not waste any more of my time and energy ARGUING with and REBUTTING, addressing or dignifying the unredeemable nay-sayers and trollers on these sites who waste everyone's time with gratuitous personal comments that do NOT in any manner shape or form discuss the MERITS or SUBSTANCE of this whole approach to treating hair loss.

These are just JEALOUS, BITTER, trolling remarks from people who are upset that they did not come up with a solution themselves. They don't like my theory and treatment method ? They don't see the LOGIC of it ?...NO PROBLEM...do NOT USE IT ! COME UP WITH YOUR OWN THEORY AND TREATMENT METHOD.

They want to use UNTESTED and UNPROVEN "variations" of the MALINIAK METHOD ?...STAY BALD.

But, PERSONAL ATTACKS that have nothing to do with anything are NOT really legitimate comments or "opinions" at all and do not deal with the MERITS of this method...THAT type of exchange WOULD BE FINE AND WELCOMED and part of the mandate and purpose of these forums...but IRRELEVANT PERSONAL ATTACKS ARE A WASTE OF TIME AND MAKING US LOSE OUR "FOCUS"...WHICH IS DEALING WITH OUR HAIR LOSS.

I will only comment here if someone produces mis-leading information or is complicit in illegal activities.

Sincerely,

LEON MALINIAK