MASSIVE shed from heavy metal chelation, good or not?

Sanderson,

I find the topic of over- and under-methylation to be very confusing, probably because in my mind, I'm of the paradigm that giving the body all of the nutrients it requires for a given process should benefit that process. This isn't so with individuals with methylation problems, as they are having snares at different points in the methylation cycle and often have an overabundance of certain compounds. It is important to remember there aren't just two classes (over or under), its a spectrum.

I'll post an article I found a while ago that goes over it a little bit. There is an easy way to find out whether you are over- or under-methylating to a great extent. Essentially, the last step in the methylation process involves the donation of a methyl group by SAM-E, and SAM-E is then converted into histamine. In an over-methylator, the regeneration of SAM-E happens quickly and leaves you with low histamine. In an under-methylator, there aren't enough methylation precursors (B-vitamins) to convert histamine back into SAM-E. Deficiency in precursors can be due to a gut flora inbalance, deficiency in the diet, a pyrrole disorder (which I think is underdiagnosed today), or inability to absorb certain forms of b-vitamins.

Simple way to tell if you fall into one category or the other: Taking SAM-E or methionine will make you feel like shit if you are an over-methylator, whereas it will make you feel much better if you are under-methylating. Taking precursors such as folate and B-12 will make you feel like shit if you are under-methylating, but will make you feel better if you over-methylate. Essentially, it looks like you experience deficiency symptoms depending on where you fall. If you are overmethylating, you are experiencing a deficiency of precursors. If you are undermethylating, you are experiencing deficiency symptoms of precursors. The B-supp CS recommended should help there.

It is possible for a methyl group to be removed from DNA. It happens all the time and is done enzymatically. Typically, methylating the promoter region of a DNA gene sequence will silence it because it blocks the enzymes needed for transcription.

http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/pfeiffer.htm

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Sanderson,

I find the topic of over- and under-methylation to be very confusing, probably because in my mind, I'm of the paradigm that giving the body all of the nutrients it requires for a given process should benefit that process. This isn't so with individuals with methylation problems, as they are having snares at different points in the methylation cycle and often have an overabundance of certain compounds. It is important to remember there aren't just two classes (over or under), its a spectrum.

I'll post an article I found a while ago that goes over it a little bit. There is an easy way to find out whether you are over- or under-methylating to a great extent. Essentially, the last step in the methylation process involves the donation of a methyl group by SAM-E, and SAM-E is then converted into histamine. In an over-methylator, the regeneration of SAM-E happens quickly and leaves you with low histamine. In an under-methylator, there aren't enough methylation precursors (B-vitamins) to convert histamine back into SAM-E. Deficiency in precursors can be due to a gut flora inbalance, deficiency in the diet, a pyrrole disorder (which I think is underdiagnosed today), or inability to absorb certain forms of b-vitamins.

Simple way to tell if you fall into one category or the other: Taking SAM-E or methionine will make you feel like shit if you are an over-methylator, whereas it will make you feel much better if you are under-methylating. Taking precursors such as folate and B-12 will make you feel like shit if you are under-methylating, but will make you feel better if you over-methylate. Essentially, it looks like you experience deficiency symptoms depending on where you fall. If you are overmethylating, you are experiencing a deficiency of precursors. If you are undermethylating, you are experiencing deficiency symptoms of precursors. The B-supp CS recommended should help there.

It is possible for a methyl group to be removed from DNA. It happens all the time and is done enzymatically. Typically, methylating the promoter region of a DNA gene sequence will silence it because it blocks the enzymes needed for transcription.

http://www.enzymestuff.com/methylation.htm
http://www.alternativementalhealth.com/articles/pfeiffer.htm

Wow, those are extremely, extremely interesting. The crazy thing about it is also in that article it mentions the following foods as having histamine: Egg, strawberries, cocoa, chocolate, bananas, citrus, pineapple, pork, soy, benzoates, sulfites, nitrates, BHA, BHT, food colors, MSG.

Okay, I got an IgG food anti body test, and I know that I cant have egg, banana, pineapple. From knowing reactions, I know I can't have strawberries (causes my hands to swell up), sulfites adn nitrates (I used to eat non organic and felt my arm goign numb, I connected it to these substances, cleared up after I went organic), food colors (I ate salmon from the grocery store that was farm raised and had food coloring, only to find my heart rate accelerated greatly as if I was having a heart attack, eat wild with nothing and am fine), and MSG is just a given I know I have bad reactions to. Chocolate causes me to be hyper active in a strange way, I feel weird on it. Soy makes my testicles literally have pain in them (tried soy milk). The other ones I'm not sure because I haven't had them, but that is almost all of them I have tried I have had a bad reaction to.

anthony, I think I am an over methylated. Get this: I found some B complex in my fridge from a few months ago with only 2 or 3 pills left, I took one yesterday and one today along with B12. I have literally never felt the horniess in my stomach that I felt today for the past like 2 years. I even went to wal mart just to walk around to look at the girls because I haven't looked at a girl and felt anything in over 2 years. It was so crazy. So this is what it's like to have emotions? lol. Definetely not near 100%, but this is without a doubt a start and from what I have found so far.. this has to be a step in teh right direction. A simple B complex and B12 did this.. I've had B12 boosts before in the past, but I haven't felt this good in a while. Never felt actually normal slightly. I don't think it's going to last though, but I will continue with all the leaky gut treatments.. I should be getting my stuff in the next 2 days.

also, this morning, my nipples were actually smaller than they normally are. maybe i had high estrogen or something causing this and the vit b helped clear it? freaking propecia man...

I didn't take any metal cleaners the past 2 days and my hair hasn't shed as bad as it has in the past. Although I still will feel the random pain on individual hairs, then I will have one hair fall out or a few hairs, but before it was like massive shed everywhere.

You know, this really pisses me off. I was 19 years old and didn't know anything else but to go and take propecia because the doctor recommended it. Now, like 3 years later, here I am with still sexual problems and doctors are in flipping la la land and don't know how to treat anything. You guys on this forum have helped way more than they ever could and they would never even consider this. This is BULLSHIT. The entire medical system is screwed up. We would seriously have so much less illness if people just stopped with the prescriptions.... this is so crazy to me. Thanks so mcuh for the help guys. Thank you anthony and thank you CS and thakn you J and everyone that responded here to help me out.

Holy shit, Sanderson, you must have been horny if you went to look at the girls at WalMart, lol.

But in all seriousness, libido tends to be a very good indicator of general health. When the body is in trouble, it drops off quickly. After all, without your own homeostasis, procreation is the last thing your body is worried about.

We do need to get a handle on this methylation process though. It seems to be the primary mediator of epigenetic processes as methylation is how we turn on and turn off certain genes.

I'm glad to hear that helped you out. There are other important methylation cofactors to consider as well. Both zinc and magnesium are very important. I would actually recommend support for any vitamin your diet might be deficient in, as C and D are very important. Mitochondrial function is critical for methylation, so r-lipoic acid and acetyl-l carnitine combo should help.

Another very interesting wiki I found on methylation:

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Holy shit, Sanderson, you must have been horny if you went to look at the girls at WalMart, lol.

But in all seriousness, libido tends to be a very good indicator of general health. When the body is in trouble, it drops off quickly. After all, without your own homeostasis, procreation is the last thing your body is worried about.

We do need to get a handle on this methylation process though. It seems to be the primary mediator of epigenetic processes as methylation is how we turn on and turn off certain genes.

I'm glad to hear that helped you out. There are other important methylation cofactors to consider as well. Both zinc and magnesium are very important. I would actually recommend support for any vitamin your diet might be deficient in, as C and D are very important. Mitochondrial function is critical for methylation, so r-lipoic acid and acetyl-l carnitine combo should help.

Another very interesting wiki I found on methylation:

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

lol yeah well I had to buy some avacados anyway so I decided to take a stroll around the store. One girl was there.. she was so amazing to look at, I was going to talk to her, but I couldn't bring myself to do it lol... next time.

Dude, that website is AMAZING. It gives a great outline on what to take exactly to help fix it. I'm without a doubt going to go for it after I have done all this leaky gut treatment for the next month. Amazing man, amazing, wow. I wonder if that guy's email still works since this article was from 2006. I might message him.

The thing with vit c and vit d (i think vit d) is my hair also starts shedding on both of these. I'm going to be using calorie counter from about.com to make sure I get everything. I know I get enough vit C from diet, and I go out in the sun for 20 mins a day so hopefully that is covering my Vit D also.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:
Another very interesting wiki I found on methylation:

http://drmyhill.co.uk/wiki/CFS_-_The_Methylation_Cycle

Nailed it, again. Very educational posts, keep it up! Sometimes i wonder, what would the world be like if it's was driven by inner motivation we balders/maintainers/regrowers truely show on this boards.

I agree that libido is good indicator of overall health. If my day stars with a strong erection, i already know it's gonna be a good one, .

@sanderson
I stopped believing in convencional medicine a while ago. Whatever it was done to me it was a big f**kup since from my childhood. I found out if there is anybody who can do any good for my help is me - alone. Of course by learning from people who know more and are willing to share it over the internet. When i found this boards and some others i've come to realise that i really dont need my doctor anymore, cause i am doing on myself better things beyond their ''educational'' knowledge. I am at age when medical students are just becoming doctors and some of them are in my circles. From their ignorance about some subjects this site and others promote as origins of health i promote discussion about, i've reailzed their ability to heal people is very weak. And I dont see their opinion is gonna change if some of them will not have some serious ''uncurable'' conditions on their own. Imagine how many ''I need antibiotic/drug'' people will suffer just because educational system is not ''right'' or up to date - whatever is wrong with it. Dont be angry, you just werent be able to see it at a time. BTW, where are you from?

Exactly how I base how my day is going to go also, haha. Oh and Beebrox, if we could power the world with the motivation of balding dudes to regrow their hair, we'd have world peace.

I thought that wiki was interesting because it showed all of the processes that inherently rely upon the methylation cycle. I was amazed at everything that required it.

Also, that reintroducing those supps and kickstarting methylation might make you feel terrible because you start to detox so quickly. I've had that experience with B-vitamins before so perhaps its a matter of just sticking it out and waiting for better days.

I find it really interesting how big a role the gut plays here. Without proper stomach acid, you won't absorb essential B-vitamins. If you have leaky gut, intrinsic factor cannot attach to the receptors in the illeum and you'll be B-12 deficient. If you have a bacterial overgrowth, you'll convert too much histidine over to homocysteine by decarboxylating it. ALl of this has big impacts on methylation. The more I learn, the more the gut is central to everything.

I have another very important question for you guys because I have no idea how to approach this.

Do you think it's more important to combat the effects of leaky gut first, or the methylation process first? This is the difference between me taking gelatin, colostrum, gluatmine, etc. or all the pre cursor vitamins to methylation?

This is the problem I find myself with. Thanks to propeca, I have no idea at all why my body is screwed up or why I'm losing my hair right now, but this is what I know. I started on gelatin and colostrum B12 and vtamin B and I have seen an increase in my hair loss. After I take the gelatin, I can literally feel my hair having a sting of pain. I think my DHT is starting to function normally again because when if I see some girl and miracously I manage to get some kind of erection (which has been happening slightly more frequently lately.. thank god), I can feel my hair getting a pinch of sting. I'm pretty much not going to masturbate at all and probably just try to hook up with girls.

When I grab the sting of pain, I pull out 7 or 8 hairs and all of them have SEBUM at the end of it. I just recently discovered ALL my hair has sebum at the end of it when it is fallign out. When I was taking heavy metal detox, I believe I didn't have any sebum at the end of my hairs, however, there were more hairs with the heavy metal detox.

What I am worried about is that by "fixing my gut" or whatever, I will have a super high increase of sebum and if my methylation process is still screwed up, I will have an ultra high acceleration of hair loss.

However, I don't know if I fix the methylation process first, perhaps it will ease off of the hair loss from treating the leaky gut.

I just want to make something clear, after I took propecia, for about 2 years all my hair loss mostly stopped. It was falling out very, very slowly. Now, since I have gone hardcore diet, supps, etc. it is significantly increasing. But my sex drive was screwed up over this whole 2 years, didn't have normal sex drive at all. I think I'm experiencing the "propecia shed" 2 years late becuase my body was so screwed up from the poison.

What do you guys recommend.. gut or methylation? I almost want to do methylation just to try it to see what happens (the link anthony posted) because I definetly am getting an increase in hair loss with sebum right now which is concerning.. I just look really bad with no hair lol. I shaved my head... no more girls giving me double glances lol.

Hey Sanderson,

If you are trying to boost methylation, it could certainly result in a shed. There could be a couple of reasons for this. If your methylation cycle was blocked, your detox pathways wouldn't have been working at top gear. Suddenly opening the floodgates could open you up to some serious detox symptoms, one of those being hairloss. Toxins the body can't handle tend to get sequestered where they do the least harm, in places like fat deposits. This is the same reason losing weight very quickly can produce a shed. There is also the possibility that (I"m assuming you were under-methylating but you may not be, are you taking any methyl donors like TMG or SAM-E?) a broken methylation cycle could produce a hormonal imbalance. I've heard that once people begin to restart the cycle their hormone levels will rebound, including testosterone, but I wouldn't expect that as quickly as you are reporting.

I would imagine what you are experiencing is temporary and I would stick out your methylation regimen at least for a while, unless it begins to concern you too greatly. I would be on a potent antioxidant regimen during this though, R-Lipoic Acid and N-Acetyl Cysteine with meals. Ecklonia Cava twice daily. A couple grams of vitamin C daily. Vitamin E.

You can approach fixing the gut and methylation at the same time, methylation is more of a ubiquitous, full-body broad spectrum process that you are fixing with nutrients, as opposed to trying to heal an actual tissue like you are with the gut. Healing the gut should actually help with methylation as you are going to better absorb B-vitamins and establish gut flora that are important for producing certain vitamins.

Try also incorporating some activated charcoal or perhaps some bentonite clay in the morning and the evening. These will help mop up some of the toxins you are emptying into your bowels, which is where your body is going to try to excrete most toxins. Don't forget your probiotics. Take a look at the GAPS diet and see what you think.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Hey Sanderson,

If you are trying to boost methylation, it could certainly result in a shed. There could be a couple of reasons for this. If your methylation cycle was blocked, your detox pathways wouldn't have been working at top gear. Suddenly opening the floodgates could open you up to some serious detox symptoms, one of those being hairloss. Toxins the body can't handle tend to get sequestered where they do the least harm, in places like fat deposits. This is the same reason losing weight very quickly can produce a shed. There is also the possibility that (I"m assuming you were under-methylating but you may not be, are you taking any methyl donors like TMG or SAM-E?) a broken methylation cycle could produce a hormonal imbalance. I've heard that once people begin to restart the cycle their hormone levels will rebound, including testosterone, but I wouldn't expect that as quickly as you are reporting.

I would imagine what you are experiencing is temporary and I would stick out your methylation regimen at least for a while, unless it begins to concern you too greatly. I would be on a potent antioxidant regimen during this though, R-Lipoic Acid and N-Acetyl Cysteine with meals. Ecklonia Cava twice daily. A couple grams of vitamin C daily. Vitamin E.

You can approach fixing the gut and methylation at the same time, methylation is more of a ubiquitous, full-body broad spectrum process that you are fixing with nutrients, as opposed to trying to heal an actual tissue like you are with the gut. Healing the gut should actually help with methylation as you are going to better absorb B-vitamins and establish gut flora that are important for producing certain vitamins.

Try also incorporating some activated charcoal or perhaps some bentonite clay in the morning and the evening. These will help mop up some of the toxins you are emptying into your bowels, which is where your body is going to try to excrete most toxins. Don't forget your probiotics. Take a look at the GAPS diet and see what you think.

thanks for the great information anthony. i will purchse some betonite clay and perahps try some of those antioxidants. the issue i run into with those though is my hair is shedding on them also! i remember i take vitamin C and feel my hair falling out after i take it lol! wild, huh? even ecklonia coava. maybe it's me "coming off" propecia side effects, who knows. however, i'll try to implement those one by one and see if i notice any dramatic increase. i know vitamin E i can handle, so I will go with that for now. and no, i'm not taking SAM-E or TMG)

btw, i took some of that glucosamine you recommended just today and after about 10-15 minutes i felt my mouth salivating. i think that is a really good sign! sometimes my mouth feels dry, the saliva in my mouth makes it feel more normal! maybe that means i am creating some decent stomach acid from this stuff! i'm also taking glutamine, the colostrum, gelatin, and B vitamins at this time. although i'm getting a little bit of a shed.. i think i'm moving on the right path. i will try your anti oxidant recommendations.

i will add more fats to my diet because my diet right now is basically fruit,vegetables, and meat. so i will try to do more gaps stuff. thanks for the info.

Hey Sanderson,

I know those are a lot of antioxidant supps and they may not be necessary once you are just maintaining. Its just during a detox program like that you are going to be increasing your circulating toxic burden in the short term, and the antioxidants can help mitigate some of those problems.

And stay aware while you are on the glucosamine. Watch how you are feeling and keep track of your weight. There have been some reports of glucosamine being detrimental for people with blood sugar issues, so if you have ever had a history of blood sugar handling problems or pre-diabetic problems, it is worth watching how the glucosamine impacts you. There is no doubt it is good for healing the gut, but not at the expense of your energy metabolism. If you've never had problems with sugar in your diet, you will probably be just fine.

I'm glad you are so good about providing feedback on what you're doing. It will be interesting to hear about your progress as you move along on that regimen. Keep us posted sir and good luck.

anthonyspencer54 wrote:Hey Sanderson,

I know those are a lot of antioxidant supps and they may not be necessary once you are just maintaining. Its just during a detox program like that you are going to be increasing your circulating toxic burden in the short term, and the antioxidants can help mitigate some of those problems.

And stay aware while you are on the glucosamine. Watch how you are feeling and keep track of your weight. There have been some reports of glucosamine being detrimental for people with blood sugar issues, so if you have ever had a history of blood sugar handling problems or pre-diabetic problems, it is worth watching how the glucosamine impacts you. There is no doubt it is good for healing the gut, but not at the expense of your energy metabolism. If you've never had problems with sugar in your diet, you will probably be just fine.

I'm glad you are so good about providing feedback on what you're doing. It will be interesting to hear about your progress as you move along on that regimen. Keep us posted sir and good luck.

Thanks for the info anthony. I'm not sure if I have blood sugar issues or not. I've had issues with sugar in the past causing "hard flaccid" penis or testicle aches, but I suspect it was more from my propecia side effects causing it.. not necessarily sugar, more the sugar causing some hormone to go wack in the body, thus causing the problem. But I got the increased saliva which I felt was pretty good.

I just took the NAC that was recommended... I feel like someone is pinching my scalp with a thumb tack... then I have hairs falling out after it happens. Grrrr... this is frustrating to know if these "sheds" or whatever the hell they are.. it's like I actually FEEL the hairs dying in my head... is good or not. I feel like it might be "good" since I have all these propecia problems with sex drive. So maybe I need to lose some hair just to get over it... just don't want it to get to the point where it's obvious.... DAMN PROPECIA wrecking havoc on my life.. smh.

sanderson wrote:

I feel like someone is pinching my scalp with a thumb tack... then I have hairs falling out after it happens. Grrrr... this is frustrating to know if these "sheds" or whatever the hell they are.. it's like I actually FEEL the hairs dying in my head... is good or not. I feel like it might be "good" since I have all these propecia problems with sex drive. So maybe I need to lose some hair just to get over it... just don't want it to get to the point where it's obvious.... DAMN PROPECIA wrecking havoc on my life.. smh.

Inflammation... If you feel stuff like that then you are currently loosing the hair loss fight.
The one time I had a really bad all at once shed I felt this same exact feeling and it was when my hair was at its worse due to loads of inflammation, I had reached a diffused nw2a at this point. Felt like something was biting my scalp when I started to sweat for example.Then I got serious an d started taking a bunch of supplements and worked on improving my already good diet even further and especially focused on high dose omega3's, and in a short matter of time it stabilized most of the inflammation for me, and because I didn't let it go on for very long, the hair I lost from that bad shed started growing back couple months later, and ever since then I have full hair coverage again all the way down to my hair line, just a little thinner in the areas were I had lost hair.. Hopefully that grows back completely after another 6months or so. My main goal is simply to eliminate all inflammation, toxicity, and remineralize my body, and so far with good results. Hopefully that helps you.

J987 wrote:

sanderson wrote:

I feel like someone is pinching my scalp with a thumb tack... then I have hairs falling out after it happens. Grrrr... this is frustrating to know if these "sheds" or whatever the hell they are.. it's like I actually FEEL the hairs dying in my head... is good or not. I feel like it might be "good" since I have all these propecia problems with sex drive. So maybe I need to lose some hair just to get over it... just don't want it to get to the point where it's obvious.... DAMN PROPECIA wrecking havoc on my life.. smh.

Inflammation... If you feel stuff like that then you are currently loosing the hair loss fight.
The one time I had a really bad all at once shed I felt this same exact feeling and it was when my hair was at its worse due to loads of inflammation, I had reached a diffused nw2a at this point. Felt like something was biting my scalp when I started to sweat for example.Then I got serious an d started taking a bunch of supplements and worked on improving my already good diet even further and especially focused on high dose omega3's, and in a short matter of time it stabilized most of the inflammation for me, and because I didn't let it go on for very long, the hair I lost from that bad shed started growing back couple months later, and ever since then I have full hair coverage again all the way down to my hair line, just a little thinner in the areas were I had lost hair.. Hopefully that grows back completely after another 6months or so. My main goal is simply to eliminate all inflammation, toxicity, and remineralize my body, and so far with good results. Hopefully that helps you.

Hey J,

Yeah, I'm hoping it will grow back too. What does your diet look like? I am curious in terms of rations.. like small fruit compaired to vegetables, etc.

Thanks for the positivity though... sometimes I feel like it is hopeless with everyone saying no regrowth is possible lol... I will just stick to the good diet and add in those omega 3s

sanderson wrote:

J987 wrote:

sanderson wrote:

I feel like someone is pinching my scalp with a thumb tack... then I have hairs falling out after it happens. Grrrr... this is frustrating to know if these "sheds" or whatever the hell they are.. it's like I actually FEEL the hairs dying in my head... is good or not. I feel like it might be "good" since I have all these propecia problems with sex drive. So maybe I need to lose some hair just to get over it... just don't want it to get to the point where it's obvious.... DAMN PROPECIA wrecking havoc on my life.. smh.

Inflammation... If you feel stuff like that then you are currently loosing the hair loss fight.
The one time I had a really bad all at once shed I felt this same exact feeling and it was when my hair was at its worse due to loads of inflammation, I had reached a diffused nw2a at this point. Felt like something was biting my scalp when I started to sweat for example.Then I got serious an d started taking a bunch of supplements and worked on improving my already good diet even further and especially focused on high dose omega3's, and in a short matter of time it stabilized most of the inflammation for me, and because I didn't let it go on for very long, the hair I lost from that bad shed started growing back couple months later, and ever since then I have full hair coverage again all the way down to my hair line, just a little thinner in the areas were I had lost hair.. Hopefully that grows back completely after another 6months or so. My main goal is simply to eliminate all inflammation, toxicity, and remineralize my body, and so far with good results. Hopefully that helps you.

Hey J,

Yeah, I'm hoping it will grow back too. What does your diet look like? I am curious in terms of rations.. like small fruit compaired to vegetables, etc.

Thanks for the positivity though... sometimes I feel like it is hopeless with everyone saying no regrowth is possible lol... I will just stick to the good diet and add in those omega 3s

There is no one size fits all, but I dont eat anything refined or processed. I prepare/cook my own foods, never eat out except on blue moons Ill get sushi or similar type foods from this authentic Oriental place I like.I dont eat hardly any red meat, not because I am saying its bad, and I know plenty of people here are ready to jump on this post, but Id only eat high quality grass fed beef from like deer or buffalo, and its very rare that I feel like spending the money for that price of meat. I normally stick with the best quality chicken and wild caught fish I can find. Lots of fruit and vegetables, lots of rice, no dairy, and of the recent, no wheat or cooked oils except for coconut oil. The closest I get to gluten now is organic oats for my oatmeal. I also made it a point to incorporate raw nuts and seeds into my diet every day as a snack to help further in mineral up take. I only drink "highly" filtered water from my own home unit or organic teas. I dont feel I have any inflammatory spots in my diet, the supplements, exercise, and lack of stress boost this even further. Hair aside, my body looks and feels amazing, my abs show without even trying.. Optimal health means no hair loss, its simple as that I believe.Our dna is preset for us to grow hair not to be bald, especially not in a young man, so regrowth seems entirely possible as long as the damage done isnt too intense... Now I don't know the level of regrowth that is achievable, I assume this would vary person to person. Perhaps 100% regrowth is possible if you reach your most optimal health status and maintain it for long enough ( likely for several years or even more) without inflammation, toxicity, imbalances or deficiencies. The problem is Id assume 90% of people in the modern world never even get close to that status of health, thus regrowth seems impossible except for those of us who catch it early...

J987 wrote:

sanderson wrote:

J987 wrote:

sanderson wrote:

I feel like someone is pinching my scalp with a thumb tack... then I have hairs falling out after it happens. Grrrr... this is frustrating to know if these "sheds" or whatever the hell they are.. it's like I actually FEEL the hairs dying in my head... is good or not. I feel like it might be "good" since I have all these propecia problems with sex drive. So maybe I need to lose some hair just to get over it... just don't want it to get to the point where it's obvious.... DAMN PROPECIA wrecking havoc on my life.. smh.

Inflammation... If you feel stuff like that then you are currently loosing the hair loss fight.
The one time I had a really bad all at once shed I felt this same exact feeling and it was when my hair was at its worse due to loads of inflammation, I had reached a diffused nw2a at this point. Felt like something was biting my scalp when I started to sweat for example.Then I got serious an d started taking a bunch of supplements and worked on improving my already good diet even further and especially focused on high dose omega3's, and in a short matter of time it stabilized most of the inflammation for me, and because I didn't let it go on for very long, the hair I lost from that bad shed started growing back couple months later, and ever since then I have full hair coverage again all the way down to my hair line, just a little thinner in the areas were I had lost hair.. Hopefully that grows back completely after another 6months or so. My main goal is simply to eliminate all inflammation, toxicity, and remineralize my body, and so far with good results. Hopefully that helps you.

Hey J,

Yeah, I'm hoping it will grow back too. What does your diet look like? I am curious in terms of rations.. like small fruit compaired to vegetables, etc.

Thanks for the positivity though... sometimes I feel like it is hopeless with everyone saying no regrowth is possible lol... I will just stick to the good diet and add in those omega 3s

There is no one size fits all, but I dont eat anything refined or processed. I prepare/cook my own foods, never eat out except on blue moons Ill get sushi or similar type foods from this authentic Oriental place I like.I dont eat hardly any red meat, not because I am saying its bad, and I know plenty of people here are ready to jump on this post, but Id only eat high quality grass fed beef from like deer or buffalo, and its very rare that I feel like spending the money for that price of meat. I normally stick with the best quality chicken and wild caught fish I can find. Lots of fruit and vegetables, lots of rice, no dairy, and of the recent, no wheat or cooked oils except for coconut oil. The closest I get to gluten now is organic oats for my oatmeal. I also made it a point to incorporate raw nuts and seeds into my diet every day as a snack to help further in mineral up take. I only drink "highly" filtered water from my own home unit or organic teas. I dont feel I have any inflammatory spots in my diet, the supplements, exercise, and lack of stress boost this even further. Hair aside, my body looks and feels amazing, my abs show without even trying.. Optimal health means no hair loss, its simple as that I believe.Our dna is preset for us to grow hair not to be bald, especially not in a young man, so regrowth seems entirely possible as long as the damage done isnt too intense... Now I don't know the level of regrowth that is achievable, I assume this would vary person to person. Perhaps 100% regrowth is possible if you reach your most optimal health status and maintain it for long enough ( likely for several years or even more) without inflammation, toxicity, imbalances or deficiencies. The problem is Id assume 90% of people in the modern world never even get close to that status of health, thus regrowth seems impossible except for those of us who catch it early...

Thanks J. It doesn't look like I'm balding unless my hair is wet. I still have full cover so I'm hoping my shit will grow back. We'll see though... but I'm going to stay healthy for a long time anyway, I can't even function on "normal food" anymore with whatever the hell is wrong with my body.

I want that water machine you have. I saw the site for it, but it's like 2k so I'm going to have to wait a little bit. Thanks for the meat tips... I've been doing steak recently from like wal mart, like 1.5 lbs of it a day... maybe thati s not so good. I'll start buying chicken from whole foods because it is cheaper.

update on my condition. my hair is continually to keep falling out at a faster rate with all these supplements.. however, i feel really good. my penis seems to be working better, but i need to stop masturbating i think it;s causing excess hair loss for the time being until i fix my thyroid.

i took gelatin, NAG this morning and took a nap and had legit one of the best sleeps i've had in a long time.. i had such a detailed dream where it felt like real life. i havent had many of those over the years due to propecia, but i know its a very good sign so i know these supplements are good. i'm thinking my shed is just me coming off propecia. i will keep up all of these along with vitamin B even though I'm shedding because my other health is doing good so i'm thinking it's doing good for me...