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Ecklonia Cava as effective as Propecia? -- if I'm understanding this paper correctly, why is no one talking about this?

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Post  Dara27 on Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:06 am

I've been taking EC for over a month, haven't noticed anything. However im only taking 1 pill midday (160mg) as im not big on swallowing too many pills on a daily basis (but contemplating on doing twice a day as directed...?)

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Nov 28, 2013 11:51 am

I've been taking Ecklonia Cava since 2006. Like everything else, it's part of a holistic approach to hair loss. Do not expect immediate hair growth, things take time. Having said that, I took quite a bit of heat when I introduced the idea that it would be beneficial for hair. It has a wide variety of health benefits.



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Post  bobthebuilder on Thu Nov 28, 2013 3:21 pm

If this works as well as Fin, haven't done that much study on EC yet.

But if you were to go down the route of using EC everyday, the only results I ever got, well meaning crazy hair growth was using this combo.

1. Fin daily
2. 5 grams MSM in morning and night
3. Topical Minoxidil

I got so much growth is was amazing, but the sides from Fin was not worth my health.

My recommendation would be to least include high doses of MSM in your diet and even a topical minoxidil (home made solution without alcohol). Alcohol will cause skin cell death.

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Post  bobthebuilder on Fri Nov 29, 2013 10:09 am

Sorry, I should place a warning, MSM in high doses can cause extreme anxiety, so start slow and work up while monitoring mental health. Drink at least 2 to 3 litre a day while taking MSM.

Only use MSM without fillers, crystal form is usually good.

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Post  mento on Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:01 am

bobthebuilder wrote:Sorry, I should place a warning, MSM in high doses can cause extreme anxiety, so start slow and work up while monitoring mental health. Drink at least 2 to 3 litre a day while taking MSM.

Only use MSM without fillers, crystal form is usually good.
What is a high dosis in your opinion? I take about 10g Š day. 1 teaspoon at morning, 1 in the evening.

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Post  Hairy Potter on Sat Nov 30, 2013 5:56 am

bobthebuilder wrote:If this works as well as Fin, haven't done that much study on EC yet.

But if you were to go down the route of using EC everyday, the only results I ever got, well meaning crazy hair growth was using this combo.

1. Fin daily
2. 5 grams MSM in morning and night
3. Topical Minoxidil

I got so much growth is was amazing, but the sides from Fin was not worth my health.

My recommendation would be to least include high doses of MSM in your diet and even a topical minoxidil (home made solution without alcohol). Alcohol will cause skin cell death.

Bob
Bob, could you point me in the right direction with making topical minox? Also, I'd be very interested to know whether you've heard of Herbal H, which makes use of 'herbal minoxidil'. Is there even such a thing?

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Nov 30, 2013 9:29 am

A reaction with high-dose MSM is unusual. I would not advise caution, because MSM is something that unlike other things which involve a less is more approach in the beginning, MSM can be produce more sides initially if the dose is too low.

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Post  KeepGrowin on Sat Nov 30, 2013 3:06 pm

Anything that inhibits DHT concerns me a bit. I know of a handful of people who took saw palmetto and ended up with permanent propecia-like sides that never resolved.

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Post  The Liberator on Sun Dec 01, 2013 12:55 am

Propecia killed my erection to the point that I had to stop taking it 8 months ago. Fast forward to today and my penis is pretty much the same as it was in high school (and I am 40) AND I am taking Ecklonia Cava (been taking it about 2 years). So one thing is for certain about EC....it DEFINITELY does not cause sexual sides and if anything it helps erections become bigger. I obviously don't KNOW if EC has anything to do with my erection returning with a vengeance, but I do know that I certainly isn't hurting things down there.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:50 am

KeepGrowin wrote:Anything that inhibits DHT concerns me a bit. I know of a handful of people who took saw palmetto and ended up with permanent propecia-like sides that never resolved.
I was one of those people in the 90's and early 2000's who took saw palmetto and then beta sitosterol....well, never again.

I started taking Ecklonia Cava since 2006. It's mechanisms are pro-erection and pro-hair. It works in an entirely different manner than saw palmetto.

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Post  KeepGrowin on Sun Dec 01, 2013 8:18 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:
KeepGrowin wrote:Anything that inhibits DHT concerns me a bit. I know of a handful of people who took saw palmetto and ended up with permanent propecia-like sides that never resolved.
I was one of those people in the 90's and early 2000's who took saw palmetto and then beta sitosterol....well, never again. †

I started taking Ecklonia Cava since 2006. It's mechanisms are pro-erection and pro-hair. It works in an entirely different manner than saw palmetto.
Have you posted anywhere (or have a link to) how EC is different in regards to DHT? I'd be interested to read it.

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Post  Dara27 on Sun Dec 01, 2013 9:27 am

Just wondering about EC overall, anyone know if fine taking only one pill a day (160mg) instead of the twice daily dosage (one in morning and one at night)?

Note: Purchased mine at hairevo.com, pretty sure where it is recommended ..

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Post  shaftless on Sun Dec 01, 2013 10:30 am

It's too bad about the beta sitosterol and saw palmetto side effects. If you look up beta sitosterol on wikipedia it claims that people got some good results for regrowth when they took it along with saw palmetto. But it was a small study. Still.... maybe you can make a topical out of some soft gels of both of those to avoid the side effects. I have seen beta sitosterol with other plant sterols in liquid soft gel capsules. And you can get saw palmetto the same way as well. It's just a pain poking a hole in the caps and squeezing out the liquid.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:18 pm

Over the years I have received this question on more than a few occasions.
These articles below will attempt to answer them.

Bear in mind that reducing cholesterol in the gut, a substrate for steroid hormone production, is why Beta sitosterol in amounts anything above moderate doses have been quite detrimental. The same thing can occur with saw palmetto.

Ecklonia cava reduces 5-AR by oxidation reduction. Not by poisoning an enzyme that is essential for human physiology ala finasteride, or in the case of beta sitosterol or saw palmetto by inhibiting 5-AR by replacing real cholesterol with plant cholesterol (excess phytosterols).

http://hairevo.com/shop/content/15-ecklonia-cava-stimulates-hair-growth

http://longevitypost.com/stop-fearing-testosterone-dht/



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Post  bobthebuilder on Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:13 am

mento wrote:
bobthebuilder wrote:Sorry, I should place a warning, MSM in high doses can cause extreme anxiety, so start slow and work up while monitoring mental health. Drink at least 2 to 3 litre a day while taking MSM.

Only use MSM without fillers, crystal form is usually good.
What is a high dosis in your opinion? I take about 10g Š day. 1 teaspoon at morning, 1 in the evening.
10 grams per day is a good dose to be on. This is normally what I took.
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Post  bobthebuilder on Mon Dec 02, 2013 10:20 am

Hairy Potter wrote:
bobthebuilder wrote:If this works as well as Fin, haven't done that much study on EC yet.

But if you were to go down the route of using EC everyday, the only results I ever got, well meaning crazy hair growth was using this combo.

1. Fin daily
2. 5 grams MSM in morning and night
3. Topical Minoxidil

I got so much growth is was amazing, but the sides from Fin was not worth my health.

My recommendation would be to least include high doses of MSM in your diet and even a topical minoxidil (home made solution without alcohol). Alcohol will cause skin cell death.

Bob
Bob, could you point me in the right direction with making topical minox? Also, I'd be very interested to know whether you've heard of Herbal H, which makes use of 'herbal minoxidil'. Is there even such a thing?

Sorry I haven't heard about herbal H, but this time around I will be using minoxidil again, I cant give you a formula yet, I am looking at a way to get around the enzyme needed in the skin for minoxidil to work. This is why minox works for some and not others, even possible why minoxidil stops working after years of use.

I will post my formula once I figure it out.
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Post  Ubiyca on Thu Mar 10, 2016 6:47 am

BUMP. Interesting topic.

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Post  Resistance on Thu Mar 10, 2016 10:43 am

Good find, has anyone here got any updates?

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