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Post  angstman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:26 am

What you fail to realize is that most injuries go unreported. Not to mention all of the deaths right after vaccination that doctors chalk up to "SIDS".
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Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:31 am

angstman wrote:What you fail to realize is that most injuries go unreported.  Not to mention all of the deaths right after vaccination that doctors chalk up to "SIDS".

Vaccinations may prevent SIDS. How can you assume what I "realize" or not? Show me the studies, please, which show " all the deaths right after vaccinations".

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Post  angstman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:41 am

Show me the studies that they don't cause SIDS. We are obviously both very deeply rooted in our opinions on this topic. I have had the same arguments and have between shown the same links with close to 100 people this month. Let's just agree to disagree. You are far more trusting of the government then I am.
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Feb 23, 2014 6:54 am

These so-called life threatening childhood diseases can simply be treated or prevented via vitamin A.

CDC, WHO, the government in general are aligned with industry. They use obfuscation and manipulate their own data to spin what they want.  

How can an absolute neurotoxin aluminium which has been shown via injection to cause autism and neurological problems possibly be safe? It's in most vaccines.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23932735

It's all about the money

http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c2912

The basis of the germ theory and our immune system is based on an edifice of lies.

It's not a coincidence that the smartest kids I know are unvaccinated.

The immune system thrives with microbial exposure, and the latest research shows this to be true.

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Post  angstman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:25 am

Wow. Just posted today.

http://healthimpactnews.com/2014/cdc-caught-hiding-data-showing-mercury-in-vaccines-linked-to-autism/
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Feb 23, 2014 10:41 am

I should point out something -- Regardless of whatever CDC nonsense that is published that supports the agenda of injecting toxins, which in my view suppress the immune system (a raise in antibodies does not infer immunity, it challenges it).

The point here is that there have *Never* been *any* double blind, randomized placebo controlled studies demonstrating safety in human beings of these vaccines.

Besides that, the germ theory in of itself is outdated thinking that only serves vaccine and drug makers ponzi scheme.

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:20 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:I should point out something -- Regardless of whatever CDC nonsense that is published that supports the agenda of injecting toxins, which in my view suppress the immune system (a raise in antibodies does not infer immunity, it challenges it).

The point here is that there have *Never* been *any* double blind, randomized placebo controlled studies demonstrating safety in human beings of these vaccines.

Besides that, the germ theory in of itself is outdated thinking that only serves vaccine and drug makers ponzi scheme.

"Also, vaccines do not make a child sick with the disease, and they do not weaken the immune system. Vaccines introduce a killed/disabled antigen into the body so the immune system can produce antibodies against it and create immunity to the disease. That said, it's not uncommon for a child to develop a mild runny nose and/or cough after receiving the flu vaccine. This does not mean, however that your child "got the flu." Also, because it takes about two weeks for the flu vaccine to become effective, and because flu symptoms do not immediately appear, a person could unknowingly already be infected with the flu when receiving a vaccination. Someone in this situation might assume that the flu vaccine gave them the flu, but this is not possible or true."

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Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:32 am

Do vaccines weaken the immune system?

Vaccinated children are not at greater risk of other infections (infections not prevented by the vaccines) than unvaccinated children. On the contrary, in Germany, a study of 496 vaccinated and unvaccinated children found that children who received immunizations against diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) and polio within the first three months of life had fewer infections with vaccine-related and unrelated pathogens than the non-vaccinated group.

Bacterial and viral infections, on the other hand, often predispose children and adults to severe, invasive infections with other pathogens. For example, children with pneumococcal pneumonia are more likely to have had a recent influenza infection than other children. Similarly, varicella infection increases susceptibility to the 'flesh-eating bacteria (i.e., group A strep).

http://www.chop.edu/service/vaccine-education-center/vaccine-safety/vaccines-and-immune-system.html#Do_vaccines_overwhelm

However, because naive B- and T-cells are constantly replenished, a vaccine never really “uses up” a fraction of the immune system. For example, studies of T-cell population dynamics in HIV-infected patients indicate that the human T-cell compartment is highly productive. Specifically, the immune system has the ability to replenish about 2 billion CD4+ T lymphocytes each day. Although this replacement activity is most likely much higher than needed for the normal (and as yet unknown) CD4+ T-cell turnover rate, it illustrates the enormous capacity of the immune system to generate lymphocytes as needed.

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full

"This is easy. Vaccines simply cause the development of adaptive immunity to a pathogen or antigen. This is something that happens millions of times a day in a healthy child, teenager, and adult. If the vaccine denialists could bring one tiny bit of evidence that vaccines did something different than cause that adaptive immunity, then we could talk. But they can’t."

As Paul Offit summarized in Addressing Parents’ Concerns: Do Multiple Vaccines Overwhelm or Weaken the Infant’s Immune System?:

" Current studies do not support the hypothesis that multiple vaccines overwhelm, weaken, or “use up” the immune system. On the contrary, young infants have an enormous capacity to respond to multiple vaccines, as well as to the many other challenges present in the environment. By providing protection against a number of bacterial and viral pathogens, vaccines prevent the “weakening” of the immune system and consequent secondary bacterial infections occasionally caused by natural infection."

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/immunizations-weaken-childrens-immune-system-debunking-myths/

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"Deady toxins in vaccines".

Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:47 am


ttp://skeptoid.com/episodes/4180

So now that we understand that a vaccine is not pretending to be a shot of Mickey Mouse sunshine, let's take a look at some of these frightening sounding ingredients:

Formaldehyde

Absolutely true. Formaldehyde sounds scary because we see dead animals preserved in jars of it in museums. One of its uses is to sterilize things, and this is why small drops of it are added to some vaccines. Without such sterilization, a vial of vaccine might become contaminated while it's sitting on the shelf. Formaldehyde is used because it's naturally found in the human body, as it's a normal byproduct of digestion and metabolism. When you receive a vaccine shot that was sterilized with formaldehyde, you already have much more of it in your body than you get from the shot. All of this formaldehyde is easily broken down chemically simply because your body is an aqueous environment, and it's harmlessly discharged every day.
Antifreeze

This one is simply untrue. Antifreeze, the poisonous substance used in your car's engine, is ethylene glycol. Because it's so poisonous, antifreeze is not used in food processing or medical equipment, and certainly not in vaccines or other drugs. A less toxic form of antifreeze is propylene glycol, which is not in vaccines either. What is used in some is 2-phenoxyethanol. It's an antibacterial agent used in many vaccines to sterilize them, and also used in wound care as a topical antibacterial. The confusion with antifreeze probably comes from the fact that both are part of the glycol ether family of hydrocarbons, but they are not the same thing.
Mercury

This is the most common claim, and it's the one you've probably heard the most about, so I won't spend much time on it. Some vaccines (but no scheduled childhood vaccines) are preserved with thimerosal, which contains ethylmercury. Elemental mercury is a dangerous neurotoxin, but when it's bound as an organic ethyl, it's easily filtered out of your body by your kidneys and is quickly discharged. This is one reason thimerosal has always been such a safe and popular preservative, and it's still found in many products. Mercury can also be bound as a methyl, which is different, and is much harder for your body to filter out. But fear not; no vaccines or thimerosal ever contained methylmercury, and this scaremongering has no plausible foundation.


Latex Rubber

This one is also completely untrue. Latex is not, in any way, part of any vaccine, and never has been. The source of this claim is the fact that a lot of medical equipment, like syringes and packages, contain latex. Alternatives are always available for people with severe latex allergies. This is a common issue for such people, and has no specific relevance to vaccines whatsoever.

Hydrochloric Acid

Scary sounding, and true. If you pour hydrochloric acid on your skin, you get burned, because your skin is pH balanced. But if you add acid to something that's alkaline, acid brings it back into balance. Hydrochloric acid is used in many industries to bring compounds that are too alkaline to the desired pH level, and the pharmaceutical industry is no different. Some vaccines, once the active ingredients are all added, may be too alkaline; and if injected like that, would cause an adverse reaction. Hydrochloric acid brings the vaccine down to your body's normal pH level of about 7.4. Hydrochloric acid is also the primary digestive acid produced in your stomach, so it's no stranger to the human body.

Aluminum


Aluminum, in various forms, is added to vaccines as an adjuvant. An adjuvant is like a catalyst for the desired irritation, making the challenge even more annoying for your body. It's supposed to be there, on purpose, to make your body react even more strongly. More antibodies are created as a result of the more provocative challenge. Remember: Mickey Mouse sunshine and roses do nothing.

Aluminum is, of course, a neurotoxin, but only at amounts far, far higher than that normally found in our bodies, in the environment, and certainly in vaccines. Just by living and breathing on a planet like Earth where aluminum is the third most abundant element, the average person consumes 3-8mg of aluminum per day, of which less than 1 percent is absorbed into the blood. Vaccine doses are allowed to contain a maximum of .85mg of aluminum; so the maximum dose of aluminum in a vaccine is about the same as the maximum that might get into everyone's blood in a normal day (about what's contained in 33 ounces of infant formula). Most vaccines contain less than this. Studies have proven no difference in neurological condition between children who have had aluminum adjutated vaccines and those who have not.

Aspartame

Once again: FAIL. Completely untrue. Although any search of the web would have you believe otherwise: The phrase "aspartame in vaccines" is all over Google. So what are these vaccines? I searched the CDC's database of vaccines; nothing. I searched the database of additives; still nothing. I only found only antivax article that mentioned specifically which vaccine aspartame is in, and it claimed only one: The typhoid vaccine Typhim Vi. But it's not true. The additives in Typhim Vi are publicly available and aspartame is not on the list. This is when the antivaxxers are at their worst, when they simply make up lies. This is not constructive for any purpose.

Aborted Fetal Tissue

They sure picked the scariest sounding thing they could think of here! Although this specific ingredient is made up, vaccines can include all sorts of proteins derived from all sorts of animals.

Human Serum Albumin, or HSA, is a stabilizing protein made from human blood donations, not from aborted fetuses. Bovine albumin is also used in a few vaccines. Some vaccines are grown in cultures of monkey or chicken kidney tissue, and when the vaccines are extracted, a few cells from the culture always remain. There's never been any evidence that this might be dangerous. Some vaccines are cultured inside chicken eggs, and some egg protein may remain as a result. This can be a problem for people with severe allergies to egg protein, so these people should avoid these vaccines.

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 11:59 am

angstman wrote:Show me the studies that they don't cause SIDS. We are obviously both very deeply rooted in our opinions on this topic. I have had the same arguments and have between shown the same links with close to 100 people this month. Let's just agree to disagree. You are far more trusting of the government then I am.

This site contains at least 3 studies and numerous articles which show no correlation between childhood vaccinations and SIDs.

http://www.cdc.gov/vaccinesafety/Concerns/sids_faq.html

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Post  angstman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:18 pm

Odysseus in case you haven't realized, this is a 'natural' forum.  If I had to guess, not many people on here believe everything that the CDC, FDA, WHO, and AAP spew out and think its the God's honest truth.  I love a good debate as I find I learn things from them but a lot of us like to read between the lines.  The things that really got to me in my search for some truth were the forums on the baby sites where parent after parent gave their testimonials about the damage that had been done immediately after their childs vaccination.  There is no denying what has happened.  There is a pattern.  I pray I live to see the day where it gets proven without reasonable doubt that the adjuvants in vaccines have destroyed countless families lives and those responsible will have to pay heavily.


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Post  Delphine on Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:24 pm

angstman wrote:Odysseus in case you haven't realized, this is a 'natural' forum.  If I had to guess, 1 out of 25 people (probably much higher) on here believe everything that the CDC, FDA, WHO, and AAP spew out and think its the God's honest truth.  I love a good debate as I find I learn things from them but a lot of us like to read between the lines.  The things that really got to me in my search for some truth were the forums on the baby sites where parent after parent gave their testimonials about the damage that had been done immediately after their childs vaccination.  There is no denying what has happened.  There is a pattern.  I pray I live to see the day where it gets proven without reasonable doubt that the adjuvants in vaccines have destroyed countless families lives and those responsible will have to pay heavily.  

In my view, that's only going to happen when people finally wake up and understand that germs and viruses are not the bogeyman.  That edifice of lies, as CS so aptly put it, has to come down.  I think it will in the next five to ten years.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:42 pm

angstman wrote:Odysseus in case you haven't realized, this is a 'natural' forum.  If I had to guess, not many people on here believe everything that the CDC, FDA, WHO, and AAP spew out and think its the God's honest truth.  I love a good debate as I find I learn things from them but a lot of us like to read between the lines.  The things that really got to me in my search for some truth were the forums on the baby sites where parent after parent gave their testimonials about the damage that had been done immediately after their childs vaccination.  There is no denying what has happened.  There is a pattern.  I pray I live to see the day where it gets proven without reasonable doubt that the adjuvants in vaccines have destroyed countless families lives and those responsible will have to pay heavily.

Ok. You guys sure made a believer out of me.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:43 pm

Every single point I read from pro-vaccination advocate research, such as what was shown on this particular page, I can break it apart.

So here's just one (as already mentioned).

How can an absolute neurotoxin aluminium which has been shown via injection to cause autism and neurological problems possibly be safe? It's in most vaccines?

The title gives it away right here: "Administration of aluminium to neonatal mice in vaccine-relevant amounts is associated with adverse long term neurological outcomes."

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23932735

The political slight of hand used by government "health" organizations to obfuscate scandals that involve the serious flow of money at the price of undermining public health. The lawsuits would be into the quintillions. The only way to keep the coffers flowing is to continually perpetuate the lies.

As far as I am concerned, some of the work of Centers for Disease Control (CDC) is just as conflicted with criminal activity as any branch in congress. Center for Disease, Fear and Propaganda is probably a more accurate description.

At best, a public relation firm paid for by tax money to perpetuate whatever fear that is necessary to sell vaccines, pandemics that are made up as they go along.

The flu as people think of it, is not even a flu or something people catch. It's horse hockey. I laugh when people warn me that so and so is sick and that I might catch something. I haven't been sick in 10 years.

Children need more exposure to the dirt (soil, microbiota), not less.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Feb 23, 2014 12:48 pm

Here is a man who struck fear into the government. An advocate of raw milk and one who does not subscribe to the germ theory. Regardless of your view, it will be entertaining. Present this video to show the general logic disconnect of orthodox medical training. Why do lions, tigers, birds and other animals have no problem with raw meat? Why is it only humans? Bacteria out number human cells by 10 to 1.


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Post  angstman on Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:00 pm

Odysseus wrote:
angstman wrote:Odysseus in case you haven't realized, this is a 'natural' forum.  If I had to guess, not many people on here believe everything that the CDC, FDA, WHO, and AAP spew out and think its the God's honest truth.  I love a good debate as I find I learn things from them but a lot of us like to read between the lines.  The things that really got to me in my search for some truth were the forums on the baby sites where parent after parent gave their testimonials about the damage that had been done immediately after their childs vaccination.  There is no denying what has happened.  There is a pattern.  I pray I live to see the day where it gets proven without reasonable doubt that the adjuvants in vaccines have destroyed countless families lives and those responsible will have to pay heavily.

Ok. You guys sure made a believer out of me.

Im not trying to make a believer out of you. Im simply raising questions and nearly every single response from you has something to do with the CDC.
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Post  Delphine on Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:21 pm

I read Aajonus' book We Want To Live and have eaten raw chicken, fish (wild caught salmon), beef and eggs.  I more often choose to eat them lightly cooked these days,
but I never felt any ill effects from eating them raw.  I knew a guy who was convinced he got Guillain-Barre syndrome from eating raw chicken.
I think it's more likely he got it from one of those shots!
http://www.medalerts.org/analysis/archives/289

CausticSymmetry wrote:Here is a man who struck fear into the government. An advocate of raw milk and one who does not subscribe to the germ theory. Regardless of your view, it will be entertaining. Present this video to show the general logic disconnect of orthodox medical training. Why do lions, tigers, birds and other animals have no problem with raw meat?  Why is it only humans? Bacteria out number human cells by 10 to 1.



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Post  Odysseus on Sun Feb 23, 2014 1:31 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:Here is a man who struck fear into the government. An advocate of raw milk and one who does not subscribe to the germ theory. Regardless of your view, it will be entertaining. Present this video to show the general logic disconnect of orthodox medical training. Why do lions, tigers, birds and other animals have no problem with raw meat?  Why is it only humans? Bacteria out number human cells by 10 to 1.


Ok, you got me. Eating raw meat and reading two obscure books will certainly save us all.
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Post  Delphine on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:18 pm

Odysseus wrote:
CausticSymmetry wrote:Here is a man who struck fear into the government. An advocate of raw milk and one who does not subscribe to the germ theory. Regardless of your view, it will be entertaining. Present this video to show the general logic disconnect of orthodox medical training. Why do lions, tigers, birds and other animals have no problem with raw meat?  Why is it only humans? Bacteria out number human cells by 10 to 1.


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We Want To Live actually has been widely read. And quite a few people, including former vegans, claim that raw animal foods have saved them.
http://www.amazon.com/We-Want-Live-Aajonus-Vonderplanitz/product-reviews/1889356778/ref=dp_top_cm_cr_acr_txt?showViewpoints=1
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sun Feb 23, 2014 2:45 pm

Odysseus - This thread is already some 8 pages long. Most of the best evidence has already been presented.

The reason to shed doubt on the CDC and WHO is because they are aligned with the vaccine makers.

If "big natural" owned/controlled the idiot box airwaves, it would be a different story.

Big pharma on the other hand kills. More people die from taking prescription drugs, used as directed than there are
traffic accidents. Merck killed over 60,000 people with one drug...where is the outrage?

Patients with vascular diseases are given rat poison routinely that cause rapid calcification. Where is the outrage?

There isn't a single double blind, placebo study showing safety of vaccines....what happened to the Hippocratic oath? (Do no harm?)

Money has a way of clouding the picture.

Pro-vaccine advocates like to discredit Andrew Wakefield. He's an honest guy who took the fall. How quickly the public fall for propaganda.

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Post  Odysseus on Mon Feb 24, 2014 12:57 am

CausticSymmetry wrote:Odysseus - This thread is already some 8 pages long. Most of the best evidence has already been presented.

The reason to shed doubt on the CDC and WHO is because they are aligned with the vaccine makers.

If "big natural" owned/controlled the idiot box airwaves, it would be a different story.

Big pharma on the other hand kills. More people die from taking prescription drugs, used as directed than there are
traffic accidents. Merck killed over 60,000 people with one drug...where is the outrage?

Patients with vascular diseases are given rat poison routinely that cause rapid calcification. Where is the outrage?

There isn't a single double blind, placebo study showing safety of vaccines....what happened to the Hippocratic oath? (Do no harm?)

Money has a way of clouding the picture.

Pro-vaccine advocates like to discredit Andrew Wakefield. He's an honest guy who took the fall. How quickly the public fall for propaganda.

CS, I understand this is a "natural" forum, but when broad statements of "big pharma"
are brought up as some of of evidence, my eyes glaze over. There is no "big" anything,
just individuals, doing their jobs then going home to their families at night, who happen to work in the field of medicine or government. If you believe that there is some vast, organized dark conspiracy
going on to "fool" people for profit, than I'm out of the conversation.

I have simple provided studies within the parameters of science base medicine.
double-blind placebo studies:


Immunogenicity and reactogenicity of a 13-valent-pneumococcal conjugate vaccine administered at 2, 4, and 12 months of age: a double-blind randomized active-controlled trial.

Immunogenicity of bivalent types 1 and 3 oral poliovirus vaccine: a randomised, double-blind, controlled trial.

Efficacy of pentavalent rotavirus vaccine against severe rotavirus gastroenteritis in infants in developing countries in Asia: a randomised, double-blind, placebo-controlled trial


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Post  Beebrox on Mon Feb 24, 2014 4:04 am

Tnx for this post, rdkml.

So basically protection with vaccines is trading immune response for feeling OK while pathogen finds path to proliferate in the vaccinated host. Is this the same as taking antihistamine drug takes care of allergy symptoms? If yes, or definitely yes is the answer, than this is enough for me, to drop following this thread...

I am also willing to know why the poisons are necessarily for vaccines production. Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium, ... , not directly cause the diseases, but they sure do not help...

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Post  Odysseus on Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:43 am

Beebrox wrote:Tnx for this post, rdkml.

I am also willing to know why the poisons are necessarily for vaccines production. Formaldehyde, mercury, aluminium, ... , not directly cause the diseases, but they sure do not help...

http://pediatrics.about.com/od/immunizations/a/0608_vac_aditvs.htm

* vaccine safety
* immunizations
* autism
* thimerosal
* vaccine preventable illnesses

Vaccines may contain "live viruses, killed viruses, purified viral proteins, inactivated bacterial toxins or bacterial polysaccharides," which is how our bodies know how to develop antibodies and an immune response against the infection that the vaccine is supposed to protect us against.

Vaccines also contain additives and preservatives.

The most well-known preservative in vaccines is thimerosal, which was once thought to possibly be linked to autism.

Although no link to autism or other conditions was ever found, because of concerns that thimerosal could be harmful and because alternatives to thimerosal are now available, according to the FDA, "thimerosal has been removed from or reduced to trace amounts in all vaccines routinely recommended for children 6 years of age and younger, with the exception of the inactivated influenza vaccine."

Still, some parents are worried that chemicals, additives and preservatives in vaccines are harmful, which has prompted the Green Vaccine initiative to call for safer vaccines.
Vaccine Additives and Preservatives

Although mercury has been removed from most vaccines, vaccines may still contain aluminum, formaldehyde, human serum albumin, gelatin, antibiotics and yeast proteins.

Why?

Some, such as aluminum salts, help the vaccine to work better. Other additives, such as human serum albumin, help stabilize live viruses in the vaccine. And others, such as formaldehyde, antibiotics, egg proteins and yeast proteins, are left over in residual amounts from the way that vaccines are made.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Mon Feb 24, 2014 8:51 am

Odysseus - I understand your attitude towards the "conspiracy" nature. I had to work in the industry for some 10 years to really understand that it is kind of that way. I just see it as industry going after the money and not paying as much attention to the safety. I don't see it as a sinister plot as some do, I just think that paying the kids college tuition and mortgage is higher than whatever else might be on their mind if at all.

What I meant in the previous comments was placebo controlled....those studies you found met all criteria, except for that part.

Eventually after some digging and asking a lot of questions, I started to get answers to the why of things like: Fluoride in our water...why is in still in there?  Why is mercury still being placed in the mouth?  Why is mercury still in some vaccines. Why is aluminium in there and just how toxic is it?

Then on top of that, there's the germ theory vs the law of the terrain. I subscribe to the later theory.

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Post  NYJets on Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:53 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:Odysseus - This thread is already some 8 pages long. Most of the best evidence has already been presented.

The reason to shed doubt on the CDC and WHO is because they are aligned with the vaccine makers.

If "big natural" owned/controlled the idiot box airwaves, it would be a different story.

Big pharma on the other hand kills. More people die from taking prescription drugs, used as directed than there are
traffic accidents. Merck killed over 60,000 people with one drug...where is the outrage?

Patients with vascular diseases are given rat poison routinely that cause rapid calcification. Where is the outrage?

There isn't a single double blind, placebo study showing safety of vaccines....what happened to the Hippocratic oath? (Do no harm?)

Money has a way of clouding the picture.

Pro-vaccine advocates like to discredit Andrew Wakefield. He's an honest guy who took the fall. How quickly the public fall for propaganda.

All of this when even the highly "educated" in this country are still in the dark and won't accept the truth.

I'm starting to see things differently, I'm starting to blame the people not the machine. It seems from my observations the majority of people despise critical thinking even when it comes to something as important as their own health....the dumbing down of America in full affect.
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