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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Mon Feb 24, 2014 1:56 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:Odysseus - I understand your attitude towards the "conspiracy" nature. I had to work in the industry for some 10 years to really understand that it is kind of that way. I just see it as industry going after the money and not paying as much attention to the safety. I don't see it as a sinister plot as some do, I just think that paying the kids college tuition and mortgage is higher than whatever else might be on their mind if at all.

In my view, the solution is for people and especially parents,  to take a hard look at the abundant evidence of harm from vaccines, understand the true nature of health,  and stand up for those who can't take action or speak themselves, which certainly includes babies and children.

As long as we follow the herd mentality, we'll be suckers for the "herd immunity" mindset.

edit: Just saw NYJets' post, think sync!
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Tue Feb 25, 2014 9:52 am

And now this...

http://www.thedailysheeple.com/lead-developer-of-hpv-vaccines-comes-clean-warns-parents-young-girls-its-all-a-giant-deadly-scam_012014

Studies have proven “there is no demonstrated relationship between the condition being vaccinated for and the rare cancers that the vaccine might prevent, but it is marketed to do that nonetheless. In fact, there is no actual evidence that the vaccine can prevent any cancer. From the manufacturers own admissions, the vaccine only works on 4 strains out of 40 for a specific venereal disease that dies on its own in a relatively short period, so the chance of it actually helping an individual is about about the same as the chance of her being struck by a meteorite.”
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Post  angstman on Tue Mar 04, 2014 6:30 am

One persons research all put in to one document, very nice collection

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10A7cl0pmJ-fq58ZCTgT2ZRqs7snyo-kjhQgVGkVkS2I/edit?pli=1
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:54 am

angstman wrote:One persons research all put in to one document, very nice collection

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10A7cl0pmJ-fq58ZCTgT2ZRqs7snyo-kjhQgVGkVkS2I/edit?pli=1

Nice info.....

And this just in:  About a week ago I was informed that (ALL) vaccines contain mercury (including the ones' that are said not to contain them).  How? They can get away with not including it on the label if mercury is not added post manufacture of the vaccine, yet it is included in the process of manufacture.

Add to that the fact that most vaccines contain aluminum, it is more than enough to know they are poison. However,
the premise that they are even helpful is doubtful, as an antibody reaction is *not* real immunity (this is a myth in modern medicine).


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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  angstman on Tue Mar 04, 2014 8:55 am

Wow that figures. Do you have any links on this?
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Mar 04, 2014 9:03 am

angstman wrote:Wow that figures. Do you have any links on this?

"Did you know that the mercury-based preservative is still in vaccines? Even in the ones declared thimerosal-free!"

http://www.robertscottbell.com/blog/dr-rashid-buttar-advanced-medicine-aap-crazy-adrenal-burnout-vaccine-education-thyroiditis-free-justina-pelletier-cdc-mercury-cover-up-more/


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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:20 pm

CausticSymmetry wrote:
angstman wrote:One persons research all put in to one document, very nice collection

https://docs.google.com/document/d/10A7cl0pmJ-fq58ZCTgT2ZRqs7snyo-kjhQgVGkVkS2I/edit?pli=1

Nice info.....

And this just in:  About a week ago I was informed that (ALL) vaccines contain mercury (including the ones' that are said not to contain them).  How? They can get away with not including it on the label if mercury is not added post manufacture of the vaccine, yet it is included in the process of manufacture.

Add to that the fact that most vaccines contain aluminum, it is more than enough to know they are poison. However,
the premise that they are even helpful is doubtful, as an antibody reaction is *not* real immunity (this is a myth in modern medicine).

Aluminum is poison? Actually, it's the most common metal found on earth. It's in our water, the air we breathe, and the food food we eat.

Question: What happens to aluminum after it enters the body?

A. Most of the aluminum that enters the body is eliminated
quickly. Though all of the aluminum present in vaccines enters
the bloodstream, less than 1 percent of aluminum present in
food is absorbed through the intestines into the blood. Either
way, most of the aluminum in the bloodstream is immediately
bound by a protein called transferrin, which carries aluminum
to the kidneys where it is eliminated from the body. About half
of the aluminum in vaccines or in food is eliminated in less than
24 hours; more than three-quarters is eliminated in two weeks
and virtually all of it is eliminated in three years
. The ability of
the body to rapidly eliminate aluminum accounts for its excellent
record of safety.

Question: How much aluminum is in vaccines?

A: During the first 6 months of life, infants could receive about
4 milligrams of aluminum from vaccines. That’s not very much:
a milligram is one-thousandth of a gram and a gram is the weight
of one-fifth of a teaspoon of water. During the same period,
babies will also receive about 10 milligrams of aluminum in
breast milk, about 40 milligrams in infant formula, or about 120
milligrams in soy-based formula accumulated between 50
and 100 milligrams of aluminum, almost all of which comes from food.



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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  angstman on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:26 pm

Can you show how much aluminum the mother detoxed into the infant in utero?  4mg on top of that amount can very well be detrimental to a babies health.  What if the infant has a genetic mutation where it cant process heavy metals?  Have there been studies on infants given vaccines starting at 2 months old then followed them through 4-5 years old?

And correct me if Im wrong but isnt there a difference in the way the body processes metals that are injected in to the muscle than metals that are taken in through food?
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Tue Mar 04, 2014 12:46 pm

'Nearly everything known about the toxic effects of mercury is based on studies of a form of mercury called methyl mercury. That's the kind of mercury found in large ocean fish -- and the kind that causes developmental problems in children exposed to mercury through environmental disasters. But astonishingly little is known about the real risks of ethyl mercury itself.

A new study by University of Rochester researcher Michael E. Pichichero, MD, and colleagues now sheds some light on this mystery. Pichichero's team studied ethyl mercury levels in the blood, urine, and stools of Argentinean newborns and infants before and after they received multiple childhood immunizations with thimerosal-preserved vaccines.


"While our study is not a direct evaluation of neurological disorders and autism, it shows that mercury levels in infants' blood after vaccination with thimerosal-containing vaccines are 10 times lower -- and go away 10 times faster -- than if they'd received the same amount of methyl mercury," Pichichero tells WebMD."

http://www.webmd.com/children/vaccines/news/20080130/vaccine-mercury-leaves-blood-fast

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Does giving vaccinations “too early” in life put children at unnecessary risk?

Post  Odysseus on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:07 pm


Babies as young as two months of age are immunised against a number of infectious diseases because these infections can be significantly more harmful to infants than to older children. Whooping cough and the Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) bacterium are good examples of where early immunisation is seen as essential due to the devastating effect these pathogens can have on babies.
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Around a quarter of children who catch whooping cough before they are six months of age can develop serious complications such as pneumonia. In older children, the complications rate falls to around 5%. The cost of waiting until children are older before vaccinating is high.

Giving the first dose of the whooping cough vaccine at the two-month mark can cut the rate of hospitalisation by around two thirds. Babies also receive a booster jab given later in their second year.

http://www.vaccinestoday.eu/facts/9-does-giving-vaccinations-too-early-in-life-put-children-at-unnecessary-risk/

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Post  angstman on Tue Mar 04, 2014 1:28 pm

Didn't we post a chart a few pages back showing that whooping cough was on its way out before the vaccine was introduced mostly because of better living conditions and sanitation? Chances of contracting it are less than 1% in the US.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Mar 04, 2014 2:48 pm

Although I already posted this - This study alone should get *anyone* a reason not to inject a person with a vaccine.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23932735

Most vaccines contain aluminum, and it is the most toxin when injected.

However, the theory that these vaccines even "work" is not even valid. Antibodies is not real immunity, it
is immune suppression.


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Post  Odysseus on Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:15 pm

CS, that study was done using mice.

Normal concentrations of heavy metals in autistic spectrum disorders.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22350041


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Post  Odysseus on Tue Mar 04, 2014 11:35 pm

angstman wrote:Didn't we post a chart a few pages back showing that whooping cough was on its way out before the vaccine was introduced mostly because of better living conditions and sanitation?  Chances of contracting it are less than 1% in the US.

I don't recall that chart, but I think this article is addresses the "vaccines don't work, it's better sanitation" issue.

The “vaccines didn’t save us” strategy is a distortion, as I will show. The best way to demonstrate this is to go on to the very first website that currently shows up on a Google search for “vaccines didn’t save us.” Although the post is from November, it’s the main post that’s been spreading this lie since then. Entitled Proof That Vaccines Didn’t Save Us, it’s one of the most breathtakingly spectacularly intellectually dishonest bits of anti-vaccine propaganda that I’ve ever seen. I say that not because it uses a common anti-vaccine distortion, but rather because it ups the ante by adding a new one clearly designed to address the criticism of the old one. That new distortion hides it in plain sight, too, which is why I have to give the blogger props for sheer chutzpah. Actually, I have to give some backhanded kudos to the person who devised the graphs used in this post, Raymond Obomsawin, PhD. They represent the classic anti-vaccine lie, combined with some very clever cherry picking. I won’t take them all on in this post. Maybe I’ll take some of them on in a future post. In the meantime, what I will do is to take on the first several, because they represent a common anti-vaccine theme that is very similar to the one sounded by the this disingenuous post.

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/vaccines-didnt-save-us-intellectual-dishonesty-at-its-most-naked/

In fact, let’s look at the Vaccination Library claims first. Notice that there are six graphs, four of which are for vaccine-preventable diseases for which widespread vaccination was undertaken, two for which it was not. All of them show decreasing death rates from various diseases. Wow! It seems like slam dunk evidence, doesn’t it? Vaccines didn’t save us! After all, death rates were declining years before the vaccine, and they were declining for the diseases that didn’t even need a vaccine!

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Beebrox on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:36 am

Odysseus wrote:CS, that study was done using mice.

Normal concentrations of heavy metals in autistic spectrum disorders.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22350041


I'd like to see a full study and how it was done. Metals in hair are more problematic for balding people as for the autistic people to whom elevated metals counts the most is brain tissue, particularly hypothalamus (as far as i am aware). I haven't seen that analyzed in the content of the study.

Another thing is excreting metals through urine. Actually inverse correlation is to be expected as urinating metals is sign of detox. Also here no wonders for me.


Meanwhile some of the latest study on ASD people, there are genetic predispositions on particular behavior. Are these  genes that assist with detox, it's not really known yet. It's however known many autistic children respond very well to the chelation and nutritional balancing therapy, what is far from put into equation by ''pro vaccine'' supporters...

http://www.molecularautism.com/content/5/1/11


Here is another look of story behind the Merck vaccines.

http://www.naturalnews.com/gallery/documents/Merck-False-Claims-Act.pdf


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Post  Beebrox on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:44 am

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/22810216#

Evidence of parallels between mercury intoxication and the brain pathology in autism.
Kern JK1, Geier DA, Audhya T, King PG, Sykes LK, Geier MR.
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The purpose of this review is to examine the parallels between the effects mercury intoxication on the brain and the brain pathology found in autism spectrum disorder (ASD). This review finds evidence of many parallels between the two, including: (1) microtubule degeneration, specifically large, long-range axon degeneration with subsequent abortive axonal sprouting (short, thin axons); (2) dentritic overgrowth; (3) neuroinflammation; (4) microglial/astrocytic activation; (5) brain immune response activation; (6) elevated glial fibrillary acidic protein; (7) oxidative stress and lipid peroxidation; (Cool decreased reduced glutathione levels and elevated oxidized glutathione; (9) mitochondrial dysfunction; (10) disruption in calcium homeostasis and signaling; (11) inhibition of glutamic acid decarboxylase (GAD) activity; (12) disruption of GABAergic and glutamatergic homeostasis; (13) inhibition of IGF-1 and methionine synthase activity; (14) impairment in methylation; (15) vascular endothelial cell dysfunction and pathological changes of the blood vessels; (16) decreased cerebral/cerebellar blood flow; (17) increased amyloid precursor protein; (18) loss of granule and Purkinje neurons in the cerebellum; (19) increased pro-inflammatory cytokine levels in the brain (TNF-α, IFN-γ, IL-1β, IL-Cool; and (20) aberrant nuclear factor kappa-light-chain-enhancer of activated B cells (NF-kappaB). This review also discusses the ability of mercury to potentiate and work synergistically with other toxins and pathogens in a way that may contribute to the brain pathology in ASD. The evidence suggests that mercury may be either causal or contributory in the brain pathology in ASD, possibly working synergistically with other toxic compounds or pathogens to produce the brain pathology observed in those diagnosed with an ASD.

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Post  angstman on Wed Mar 05, 2014 12:48 am

Odysseus you keep shying around what I bring up about the amount of metal already in the infant before vaccinations start. I strongly feel that this is something that should be tested in all babies. When I was researching Dr Cave I ran across this testimonial on a child with severe ASD. Read the article, especially the last 3 paragraphs- this is where Im coming from.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2009/06/04/my-son-the-king-of-metals/
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Post  Odysseus on Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:02 pm

angstman wrote:Odysseus you keep shying around what I bring up about the amount of metal already in the infant before vaccinations start.  I strongly feel that this is something that should be tested in all babies.  When I was researching Dr Cave I ran across this testimonial on a child with severe ASD. Read the article, especially the last 3 paragraphs- this is where Im coming from.

http://www.vaccinationcouncil.org/2009/06/04/my-son-the-king-of-metals/

Where's the part about vaccines?

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Post  angstman on Wed Mar 05, 2014 2:05 pm

I'm showing that not all children can process and excrete heavy metals the same. Why would you want to inject more metals into a child that can't get rid of them?
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Mar 05, 2014 4:25 pm

What angstman just mentioned is a key issue and all pro-vaccine alarmists are ignoring it.

Consider for a moment that both the ApoE 3,4 genotypes are at a grave risk for either autism, Alzheimer's or any other neurological condition that is affected by heavy metals.

The reason is that these people have difficulty detoxing heavy metals.

I don't understand why people think we have a deficiency of injected egg yolks, embryos to "stimulate" some form of immune response. We got here just fine for over a 100 thousand years without them. Beyond, that we are faced more with toxins than ever before. More gut disturbances than ever before. Children need vitamin A, D and real nutrition, not neurotoxins.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3878266/

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Post  Odysseus on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:48 am

# "Without a doubt in my mind, I believe that vaccinations triggered Evan's autism."

# "Following bio-medical treatment — which is basically changing the diet, giving vitamins and supplements and detoxing the body from metals or candida — and he recovered. And the reason the medical community has such a hard time with this is because we are treating and healing a vaccine injury ... this is truly a revolution."

# "People are also dying from vaccinations. Evan, my son, died in front of me for two minutes. You ask any mother in the autism community if we'll take the flu, the measles, over autism and day of the week. I think they need to wake up and stop hurting our kids."

# "The reason why [the medical community] is reluctant to talk about it is because there's such a huge business in pharmaceuticals."

# “I look at autism like a bus accident, and you don’t become cured from a bus accident, but you can recover.”

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Post  angstman on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:52 am

Can't believe you pulled the Jenny McCarthy card...
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Post  Odysseus on Fri Mar 07, 2014 11:55 am

Do You Believe in Magic?, medical expert Paul A. Offit, M.D., offers a scathing exposé of the alternative medicine industry, revealing how even though some popular therapies are remarkably helpful due to the placebo response, many of them are ineffective, expensive, and even deadly.

Dr. Offit reveals how alternative medicine—an unregulated industry under no legal obligation to prove its claims or admit its risks—can actually be harmful to our health.

Using dramatic real-life stories, Offit separates the sense from the nonsense, showing why any therapy—alternative or traditional—should be scrutinized. He also shows how some nontraditional methods can do a great deal of good, in some cases exceeding therapies offered by conventional practitioners.

An outspoken advocate for science-based health advocacy who is not afraid to take on media celebrities who promote alternative practices, Dr. Offit advises, “There’s no such thing as alternative medicine. There’s only medicine that works and medicine that doesn’t.”

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0062222961/ref=rdr_ext_tmb

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Fri Mar 07, 2014 6:43 pm

Paul A. Offit is not only a shill for big pharma, he has financial interest (significantly) in vaccines.

He is also anti-natural medicine.

Most disturbing is that the pharma cartel is so desperate to propagandize their wares to a largely unquestioning public, that they hire people to go on forums and make arguments and cases against natural medicine.

Here's info on Paul Offit, who is on the wrong side of health care.

http://orthomolecular.org/resources/omns/v09n14.shtml

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Post  angstman on Sat Mar 08, 2014 12:53 am

Odysseus wrote: Do You Believe in Magic?, medical expert Paul A. Offit, M.D., offers a scathing exposé of the alternative medicine industry, revealing how even though some popular therapies are remarkably helpful due to the placebo response, many of them are ineffective, expensive, and even deadly.

Dr. Offit reveals how alternative medicine—an unregulated industry under no legal obligation to prove its claims or admit its risks—can actually be harmful to our health.

Using dramatic real-life stories, Offit separates the sense from the nonsense, showing why any therapy—alternative or traditional—should be scrutinized. He also shows how some nontraditional methods can do a great deal of good, in some cases exceeding therapies offered by conventional practitioners.

An outspoken advocate for science-based health advocacy who is not afraid to take on media celebrities who promote alternative practices, Dr. Offit advises, “There’s no such thing as alternative medicine. There’s only medicine that works and medicine that doesn’t.”

http://www.amazon.com/dp/0062222961/ref=rdr_ext_tmb


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