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Post  angstman on Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:08 pm

Great article breaking down the stats of most vaccines

http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html
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Post  Delphine on Wed Feb 19, 2014 5:59 pm

I used to be a housecleaner and my feeling about all the antibacterial cleaners (that clients insisted I use), was that it's like using an H-bomb to kill a fly.  Shocked 


CausticSymmetry wrote:Espio - I am generally pro-getting dirty (exposing ourselves to soil/elements). People are generally healthier when they do so. Research shows this. So in regards to say developing countries, one may notice that Hindus can expose themselves to large quantities of polluted water for drinking or bathing. They do not get sick anymore than we do. Their microbiota is more dynamic.

However, in the case of autism, they have a rather narrow range of microbiota. For whatever reasons, some of the recoveries that involve a certain protocol are finding a lot of worms/parasites coming out. In this case, it's a protocol that involves diet (non-GMO) no-grains, mebendazole (non-systemic anti-fungal) that attacks the eggs, a steady stream of chlorine dioxide. Large expellation of worms is not uncommon in these cases. It is followed by a recovery in the symptoms.

Anyway, I totally agree with your observation. Many of my paranoid friends who continually subscribe to the fear based germ theory and propaganda continually get sick. When they express to me their fears. I say, if I were you, I would be more worried about those Rx drugs your taking than any germs.
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Post  Delphine on Wed Feb 19, 2014 7:27 pm


Thumbs up! cheers 

angstman wrote:Great article breaking down the stats of most vaccines

http://www.drkurtperkins.com/2012/05/my-crystal-clear-stance-on-vaccines.html
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Post  Delphine on Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:11 pm


cheers 

You know what I hate? In exchanges with pro-vaccers, their repeated admonishment, "Talk to your pediatrician." Yeah, that's all we need.  Rolling Eyes 


Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Feb 19, 2014 8:26 pm

Delphine wrote:
cheers 

You know what I hate?  In exchanges with pro-vaccers, their repeated admonishment, "Talk to your pediatrician."  Yeah, that's all we need.  Rolling Eyes 


Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.

So true. Pediatricians are usually the worst, since they are fed the most propaganda and it's very difficult for them to shake or imagine that all of that indoctrination was a sham.

The Centers for Fear, Disease and Propaganda (CDC) and the (WHO), World Propaganda Machine) are used to spin the flow of money out of our pockets. In turn, all the "respected, and reputable" people cite them to back up their rubbish.

WHO and the pandemic flu “conspiracies” – The BMJ and the Bureau of Investigative Journalism report that was covered up

http://www.bmj.com/content/340/bmj.c2912

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Post  Delphine on Thu Feb 20, 2014 4:33 am


This was channeled from a being called Seth on the 'other side.' A 'respected, reputable source' in my book.

Many diseases are actually health-promoting processes. Chicken pox, measles, and other like diseases in childhood in their own way naturally innoculate the body, so that it is able to handle other elements that are a part of the body and the body’s environment. When civilized children are medically inoculated against such diseases, however, they usually do not show the same symptoms, and to an important extent the natural protective processes are impeded. Such children may not come down with the disease against which are medically protected, then - but they may indeed therefore become prey to other diseases later in life that would not otherwise have occurred."

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Post  Colum on Thu Feb 20, 2014 10:05 am

Delphine wrote:
cheers 

You know what I hate?  In exchanges with pro-vaccers, their repeated admonishment, "Talk to your pediatrician."  Yeah, that's all we need.  Rolling Eyes 


Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.

I do recall when my wife was pregnant the doctor at the maternity hospital telling her she needed to get 2 injections for the swine flu vaccine (swine flu was a big media and pharma agenda in late 2009), then she told me I would have to get the injection too so as not to spread it to my pregnant wife. It was very easy for them to scare most couples to get it. We had known one girl who lost her child the following day to being vaccinated and some EU countries refused to vaccinate pregnant women while our country targeted them. Anyhow I asked why she would need a second injection if the first one worked? The reply was a nonsensical mumble. I asked why I would need the vaccine if my wife had already taken it, thereby supposedly making her immune to getting it from anyone including me. The reply was another nonsensical mumble. So we simply said no more, a waste of time to discuss it with them. She then prepared to give us our injections and we simply said No thanks and walked out. Needless to say neither of us got the swine flu or any other flavour of the flu during the pregnancy and our child is very healthy. There were a good number of other reports of pregnant women losing their child after the injection, but of course it is very easy for the doctors to claim there was no link between the 2.
We had a lot of people tell us we need to get the child vaccinated. We don't discuss it usually at all, as peoples beliefs are deep rooted. We simply ignore all discussion on vaccines and are happy not to get them. It is very simple really, just ignore the "well-meaning" advice of others and do what you believe is best. Any illnesses that do ever arise in the future will be dealt with if needs be. Why treat someone for an illness they don't have? I did receive a message once from a doctor who was strongly pro-vaccines telling me I should be put in jail for not allowing my child be vaccinated!!! He obviously doesn't believe in freedom for all, and thinks we shouldn't choose our own healthplans.
Educating yourself and ignoring the propaganda and pressures from others is the line that uses least energy!!!

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Post  Delphine on Fri Feb 21, 2014 4:08 am


Love hearing stories like that! Good on you and your wife for thinking/standing up for yourselves and your child.

You are right, best not to get involved in discussing it with the believers. Vaccines are an article of faith with them!
This is in line with Dr. Robert Mendelssohn who said modern medicine is not a science - it's a religion.

http://www.whale.to/vaccine/quotes20.html

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Delphine wrote:
cheers 

You know what I hate?  In exchanges with pro-vaccers, their repeated admonishment, "Talk to your pediatrician."  Yeah, that's all we need.  Rolling Eyes 


Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.

I do recall when my wife was pregnant the doctor at the maternity hospital telling her she needed to get 2 injections for the swine flu vaccine (swine flu was a big media and pharma agenda in late 2009), then she told me I would have to get the injection too so as not to spread it to my pregnant wife. It was very easy for them to scare most couples to get it. We had known one girl who lost her child the following day to being vaccinated and some EU countries refused to vaccinate pregnant women while our country targeted them. Anyhow I asked why she would need a second injection if the first one worked? The reply was a nonsensical mumble. I asked why I would need the vaccine if my wife had already taken it, thereby supposedly making her immune to getting it from anyone including me. The reply was another nonsensical mumble. So we simply said no more, a waste of time to discuss it with them. She then prepared to give us our injections and we simply said No thanks and walked out. Needless to say neither of us got the swine flu or any other flavour of the flu during the pregnancy and our child is very healthy. There were a good number of other reports of pregnant women losing their child after the injection, but of course it is very easy for the doctors to claim there was no link between the 2.
We had a lot of people tell us we need to get the child vaccinated. We don't discuss it usually at all, as peoples beliefs are deep rooted. We simply ignore all discussion on vaccines and are happy not to get them. It is very simple really, just ignore the "well-meaning" advice of others and do what you believe is best. Any illnesses that do ever arise in the future will be dealt with if needs be. Why treat someone for an illness they don't have? I did receive a message once from a doctor who was strongly pro-vaccines telling me I should be put in jail for not allowing my child be vaccinated!!! He obviously doesn't believe in freedom for all, and thinks we shouldn't choose our own healthplans.
Educating yourself and ignoring the propaganda and pressures from others is the line that uses least energy!!!
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Post  angstman on Fri Feb 21, 2014 1:06 pm

22 scientific studies linking vaccines to autism.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/12/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines-can-cause-autism/

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Post  Delphine on Fri Feb 21, 2014 10:00 pm

And brain damage in general:

http://www.newsmaxhealth.com/Dr-Blaylock/childrens-vaccines-brain-development-brain-damage-mental-illness/2014/01/02/id/544784

angstman wrote:22 scientific studies linking vaccines to autism.

http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/09/12/22-medical-studies-that-show-vaccines-can-cause-autism/

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Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:35 am


What brings on this particular bit of angst is a bit of whimsy on the Internet called “9 Questions That Stump Every Pro-Vaccine Advocate and Their Claims.” by David Mihalovic, ND. Mr. Mihalovic identifies himself as “a naturopathic medical doctor who specializes in vaccine research.” However, just where the research is published is uncertain as his name yields no publications on Pubmed. BTW. I specialize in beer research. Same credentials.

The nine questions show up frequently on the interwebs, similar to questions on what to ask when you want to stump an evolutionist. Similar to the supposed stumpers for evolution, the vaccine questions are grounded in misinformation, ignorance or laziness. Let’s go through them one at a time.


http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/nine-questions-nine-answers/

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Toxic myths about vaccines.

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 8:48 am

http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/toxic-myths-about-vaccines/

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Blaylock's "expertise"

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:08 am

CDC states:

The available scientific data show that simultaneous vaccination with multiple vaccines has no adverse effect on the normal childhood immune system....

No evidence suggests that the recommended childhood vaccines can "overload" the immune system. In contrast, from the moment babies are born, they are exposed to numerous bacteria and viruses on a daily basis. Eating food introduces new bacteria into the body; numerous bacteria live in the mouth and nose; and an infant places his or her hands or other objects in his or her mouth hundreds of times every hour, exposing the immune system to still more antigens. An upper respiratory viral infection exposes a child to 4 to 10 antigens, and a case of "strep throat" to 25 to 50.

Blaylock has claimed that the vaccine may be more dangerous than the swine flu because the vaccine contains squalene. On the one hand, no flu vaccine in the U.S. contains squalene, which is an adjuvant that allows the vaccine to be equally effective while using less of the antigen (thus, more vaccine can be made from less material). On the other hand, what if it did? There's no evidence squalene, a substance naturally produced in the body, is harmful. "Squalene is a natural and vital part of the synthesis of cholesterol, steroid hormones, and vitamin D in the human body."*

Dr. Harriet Hall writes:

Flu vaccines containing MF59, a squalene-based adjuvant, have been used in Europe for 10 years, with 22,000,000 doses given; and no serious adverse events have occurred, only mild local reactions. The vaccine does not raise the incidence or titers of anti-squalene antibodies. The World Health Organization (WHO) considers it safe.*

Blaylock claims that squalene "in vaccines has been strongly linked to the Gulf War Syndrome," despite the fact that there was no squalene in vaccines given to Gulf War soldiers.

Blaylock also believes there is a conspiracy by Big Pharma, the World Health Organization, and the U.S. government to trick people into getting vaccinated:

It is obvious that the vaccine manufacturers stand to make billions of dollars in profits from this WHO/government-promoted pandemic.

Joseph Mercola makes a similar argument, but as Joseph Albietz notes: it's obvious that pharmaceutical firms, doctors, and hospitals would make many more billions if there were a pandemic than if they prevent one. (Mercola is a nonscience-based or nonsense-based medical advisor with a loud Internet presence.)

Besides his anti-vaccination rants, Dr. Blaylock has been active in promoting the unsupported notion that aspartame is a neurotoxin.

http://www.skepdic.com/blaylock.html

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Is "heard immunity" a myth? More on Blaylock

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:23 am


http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/01/10/is-herd-immunity-a-myth-a-response-to-russell-blaylock-part-1/

A series of links every parent should read. Don't believe the "woo".

http://www.dangeroustalk.net/a-team/Vaccines

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Post  angstman on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:40 am

Interesting about the WHO, would not surprise me if this was true. And if it is, who do put trust in?

http://www.examiner.com/article/world-health-organization-advisors-paid-by-pharmaceutical-companies
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:53 am

angstman wrote:Interesting about the WHO, would not surprise me if this was true.  And if it is, who do put trust in?

http://www.examiner.com/article/world-health-organization-advisors-paid-by-pharmaceutical-companies

The question isn't about money; Mercola, Blaylock, Mike Adams etc. receive money as well by selling their dubious products (which have not been subjected to any trials or peer review).

The question is: should I vaccinate myself and my children? The evidence for the safety and efficacy of vaccination enormous.

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Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:57 am

Delphine wrote:
cheers 

You know what I hate?  In exchanges with pro-vaccers, their repeated admonishment, "Talk to your pediatrician."  Yeah, that's all we need.  Rolling Eyes 


Colum wrote:My child is 4 now, was never vaccinated, very healthy and smart child. I don't plan on ever having her injected with any so-called vaccines. She is a healthy child.


Pediatrician's know what they're talking about.
Anecdotes abound.

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Post  angstman on Sat Feb 22, 2014 9:59 am

Odysseus wrote:
http://skeptoid.com/blog/2014/01/10/is-herd-immunity-a-myth-a-response-to-russell-blaylock-part-1/

What about the people that get exposed whats in some of these vaccines and the vaccines themselves causing the person to contract the virus/disease etc?

What about something like this mumps outbreak in NY right now where everyone infected is vaccinated?
http://abclocal.go.com/wabc/story?section=news%2Flocal%2Fnew_york&id=9438450
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  angstman on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:07 am

Odysseus wrote:
angstman wrote:Interesting about the WHO, would not surprise me if this was true.  And if it is, who do put trust in?

http://www.examiner.com/article/world-health-organization-advisors-paid-by-pharmaceutical-companies

The question isn't about money; Mercola, Blaylock, Mike Adams etc. receive money as well by selling their dubious products (which have not been subjected to any trials or peer review).

The question is: should I vaccinate myself and my children? The evidence for the safety and efficacy of vaccination enormous.

When you really break down the stats of what your children can be infected with, its really less than 1% for all of them except for what I would call minor things like the flu and chickenpox.
You cant say that without a doubt vaccinations have been the reason a lot of these diseases have nearly diminished in our society. Better living conditions and sanitation have been more beneficial than ever. Take a look at these diagrams for polio and pertussis, both were already on their way out before their vaccines were introduced.

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article36.html
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:09 am

Actually, a comment is in order. Vaccinations are not 100% guaranteed to prevent a disease in everyone who is vaccinated. The Institute of Child Health says:

After one dose of MMR, approximately 90-95% of children are protected against measles, over 95% against rubella, and 85-90% against mumps. After two doses, almost 100% of people will be protected against all three diseases. Because the diseases are so infectious, it is necessary to have very high levels of immunity in the population to control the diseases. It is only possible to do this, if children receive two doses of the vaccine. For this reason, almost all countries, recommend two doses of the vaccine. Those countries that have a high uptake of two doses of MMR vaccine have been most successful at eliminating the diseases.*

If everybody in a population is vaccinated, the chances of contracting the disease is near zero. But the more people in a population who do not get vaccinated, the more the whole population is jeopardized. Imagine a robust individual who is not vaccinated and gets mumps. Before his parents keep him home from school he infects half his classmates, some have been vaccinated and are not affected. Some have not been vaccinated and they get the mumps. Most recover. Maybe one of the non-vaccinated dies. There may also be a child who was vaccinated but who is not very robust and she gets infected by several people, some of whom have been vaccinated and some who have not. Both can be carriers of the virus. The weak but vaccinated girl dies. Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? No. It means that if some people don't get vaccinated they can jeopardize those who do. On the other hand, if most people have been vaccinated, those in the population who haven't been vaccinated benefit from the actions of the others and get protection against the disease without being vaccinated. If too many people take this free-ride approach, the group suffers.

The previous paragraph indicates why immunizations are not optional in public school districts in the U.S. Because of our peculiar religious history, we make exceptions for those who have religious reasons for not getting their children vaccinated. We also make exceptions for those who have medical reasons for not being vaccinated. As long as the number of parents seeking exemptions for their children is small, school districts can tolerate some non-compliance with vaccination programs. But when the numbers get too large, as they have in some places, the school district will have to take action or the whole point of vaccination will be defeated and the threat of an epidemic becomes very real. For example, two months into the school year, school officials in Prince George's County, Maryland found that more than 2,000 students (out of 132,000) still didn't have their required vaccinations. School officials went to court and Circuit Court Judge C. Philip Nichols ordered parents in a letter to appear at the courthouse and either provide proof of vaccination, get their children vaccinated on the spot, provide an explanation for their failure to have their child vaccinated, or go to jail for up to 10 days.* Even after a deadline had passed, there were still more than 900 students with no record of being vaccinated. A group opposing required immunizations protested the action. Charles Frohman was one of them. He thinks people should have a choice in getting their children immunized. This sounds reasonable but it isn't: those who don't get vaccinated jeopardize those who do and they prevent the eradication of the causal agent of the disease.

Some people seem to think that their children would be better off catching a disease than taking a risk with a vaccine. According to the Institute of Child Health:

If you allow your children to catch the disease, they run the risk of being seriously ill or even dying. On the other hand, the vaccines only rarely cause serious adverse effects. It is true that vaccines do not give long lasting protection 100% of the time but then neither do many diseases. For example, you can catch whooping cough, Hib, meningococcal disease and rubella more than once. However, even if a child does catch the disease after they have had the vaccine, the disease is usually milder. By giving the vaccine most children are spared the effects of the disease. Even if immunity from the vaccine wears off, if enough people are immunized, there will be herd immunity and so this should not be a problem. This will protect people who have lost their immunity.

So, no, the odds are that your child will not be better off if she gets measles, mumps, or rubella. She might end up deaf, paralyzed, or dead.
http://www.skepdic.com/antivaccination.html

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:18 am

angstman wrote:
Odysseus wrote:
angstman wrote:Interesting about the WHO, would not surprise me if this was true.  And if it is, who do put trust in?

http://www.examiner.com/article/world-health-organization-advisors-paid-by-pharmaceutical-companies

The question isn't about money; Mercola, Blaylock, Mike Adams etc. receive money as well by selling their dubious products (which have not been subjected to any trials or peer review).

The question is: should I vaccinate myself and my children? The evidence for the safety and efficacy of vaccination enormous.

When you really break down the stats of what your children can be infected with, its really less than 1% for all of them except for what I would call minor things like the flu and chickenpox.
You cant say that without a doubt vaccinations have been the reason a lot of these diseases have nearly diminished in our society.  Better living conditions and sanitation have been more beneficial than ever.  Take a look at these diagrams for polio and pertussis, both were already on their way out before their vaccines were introduced.

http://www.jpands.org/hacienda/article36.html

How common was polio in the United States?

Polio was one of the most dreaded childhood diseases of the 20th century in the United States. Periodic epidemics occurred since the late 19th century and they increase in size and frequency in the late 1940s and early 1950s. An average of over 35,000 cases were reported during this time period. With the introduction of Salk inactivated poliovirus vaccine (IPV) in 1955, the number of cases rapidly declined to under 2,500 cases in 1957. By 1965, only 61 cases of paralytic polio were reported.
http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vpd-vac/polio/dis-faqs.htm

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Post  angstman on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:22 am

Ive read your argument many times before in the past few weeks. Chances of your child becoming deaf, paralyzed, or dead from MMR are so miniscule. No offense but I have a hard time trusting anything from the CDC, FDA, or WHO- thats on me though.

Let me ask you something, does a link like this speak to you at all or do you chalk it all up to coincidence or even "the greater good"?
http://www.followingvaccinations.com/

Or this one
http://community.babycenter.com/post/a47957290/do_you_know_of_anyone_or_any_children_injured_by_a_vaccine
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Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:34 am

Where are the studies? The statistics and trials? The stories are heart rendering, but anecdotal. Provide evidence and please cite sources that demonstrate a strong correlation that vaccines "cause"autism.

"So where does this leave us, in terms of understanding autism? Unfortunately, it remains unclear what causes autism, but most risk factors are rooted in heredity rather than the environment. When one identical twin develops autism, then 82% to 92% of the time the other one (who shares the same genes) will also develop the disorder. The concordance rate drops to 10% or less in fraternal twins, who share only some genes."

http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/good-investigative-reporting-may-finally-debunk-the-myth-that-vaccines-cause-autism-201101061067

"Is natural immunity better than vaccination?

A natural infection often provides more complete immunity than a series of vaccinations — but there's a price to pay for natural immunity. For example, a natural chickenpox (varicella) infection could lead to pneumonia. A natural polio infection could cause permanent paralysis. A natural mumps infection could lead to deafness. A natural Hib infection could result in permanent brain damage. Vaccination can help prevent these diseases and their potentially serious complications.
Do vaccines cause autism?

Vaccines do not cause autism. Despite much controversy on the topic, researchers haven't found a connection between autism and childhood vaccines. In fact, the original study that ignited the debate years ago has been retracted.

Although signs of autism may appear at about the same time children receive certain vaccines — such as the measles, mumps and rubella (MMR) vaccine — this is simply a coincidence.

http://www.mayoclinic.org/vaccines/art-20048334

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Post  angstman on Sat Feb 22, 2014 10:46 am

As stated earlier (at least I think I stated it in this thread) I believe that a single vaccine alone most likely does not cause autism. But when the mother detoxes to the baby in utero and loads the baby up on metals leaving her body, the vaccines may very well be the trigger to push the childs system over the edge. I think every child should be tested for precursors before getting pricked if it is mandatory where the child lives.

You wont find studies about the MMR or DTaP reactions, those things will be swept under the rug and hidden. Can you imagine if vaccines were recalled like half of the other drugs out there? It would destroy some of these pharmaceutical companies. They have immunity- what better pedestal to be on?

You probably havent heard about this (paid for with your tax dollars btw)
http://www.thelibertybeacon.com/2013/08/12/courts-quietly-confirm-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism-11203/

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Odysseus on Sat Feb 22, 2014 11:25 am

Did a US court rule that the MMR vaccine causes autism?

http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/17171/did-a-us-court-rule-that-the-mmr-vaccine-causes-autism

Court Rulings Don't Confirm Autism-Vaccine Link

http://skepticwars.blogspot.com/2013/08/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism.html#!/2013/08/court-rulings-dont-confirm-autism.html

  http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/mmr-vaccines-do-not-cause-autism/

3. Since the “Vaccine Court” was established, over 1.8 billion (billion!) doses of vaccines have been given to children in the United States. As of December 2011, the program, since being established in 1988, has paid out $2,213,229,050.37 to 2,810 people, an average of around $760,000 per claim settled.
  4. This means that the courts are paying around $0.99 per every dose of vaccine delivered. And the number of claims is around 1.8 per 1,000,000 doses of vaccines administered.
  5. And this ignores the fact that courts aren’t deciding on science. Many of the claims are made despite the lack of causal evidence, but more on a Post hoc ergo propter hoc correlation.

  6. In fact, the Autism Omnibus trials, which was specifically set up to adjudicate claims that vaccines cause autism, has rejected all three test cases and subsequent appeals have failed.

But the real news is that there is no news. Because the anti-vaccination lunacy lacks any substantial support for their various tropes about vaccines causing any number of things, including autism, they need to rely on hero worshipping of one of the great scientific frauds of all time, Andy Wakefield, or on a minor Italian provincial court, or on exaggerating claims from the NVICP.


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