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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:26 am


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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Tue Aug 25, 2015 7:55 am


cheers Led me to his Facebook page, great resource.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Tue Aug 25, 2015 8:03 am

Delphine wrote:

cheers   Led me to his Facebook page, great resource.

Thanks for the tip.

I found this on there:

J Allergy Clin Immunol. 2008 Mar;121(3):626-31. doi: 10.1016/j.jaci.2007.11.034. Epub 2008 Jan 18.
Delay in diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus vaccination is associated with a reduced risk of childhood asthma.

BACKGROUND:

Early childhood immunizations have been viewed as promoters of asthma development by stimulating a T(H)2-type immune response or decreasing microbial pressure, which shifts the balance between T(H)1 and T(H)2 immunity.

OBJECTIVE:

Differing time schedules for childhood immunizations may explain the discrepant findings of an association with asthma reported in observational studies. This research was undertaken to determine whether timing of diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus (DPT) immunization has an effect on the development of childhood asthma by age 7 years.

METHODS:

This was a retrospective longitudinal study of a cohort of children born in Manitoba in 1995. The complete immunization and health care records of cohort children from birth until age 7 years were available for analysis. The adjusted odds ratio for asthma at age 7 years according to timing of DPT immunization was computed from multivariable logistic regression.

RESULTS:

Among 11, 531 children who received at least 4 doses of DPT, the risk of asthma was reduced to (1/2) in children whose first dose of DPT was delayed by more than 2 months. The likelihood of asthma in children with delays in all 3 doses was 0.39 (95% CI, 0.18-0.86).

CONCLUSION:

We found a negative association between delay in administration of the first dose of whole-cell DPT immunization in childhood and the development of asthma; the association was greater with delays in all of the first 3 doses. The mechanism for this phenomenon requires further research.

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  rofl on Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:45 pm

yes, and how many deaths has it prevented?
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Post  Delphine on Mon Sep 14, 2015 8:39 pm

rofl wrote:yes, and how many deaths has it prevented?

Your question would be more appropriately phrased: "How many deaths has it caused?"
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Post  angstman on Tue Sep 15, 2015 6:58 am

rofl wrote:yes, and how many deaths has it prevented?

Considering it was only 23% effective this past year, probably not many. The flu doesn't kill people, its usually the onset of pneumonia that does.
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Post  angstman on Sat Sep 19, 2015 5:43 am

It was interesting hearing Carson redact during the debate.  Up to that time he had been pro-vax and said let the studies speak for themselves.  He still said that about the studies but he also said that we are probably giving too many too soon which is what Trump has been saying since last year.  He also said that vaccines are great for diseases that cause crippling and death but that others may be unnecessary.  It was nice to hear these things on a national stage with 20+ million viewers.
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Post  CausticSymmetry on Sat Sep 19, 2015 6:05 am

Here's another link.

Dr. Andrew Moulden really did his homework on this one.

http://drleonardcoldwell.com/2015/01/06/dr-andrew-moulden-every-vaccine-produces-microvascular-damage/

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Post  angstman on Thu Oct 01, 2015 3:02 am

If there is even a little truth to this...

http://www.bolenreport.com/autism/antivaccine%20yes13.htm#.dpuf
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Fri Oct 02, 2015 10:13 am

angstman wrote:If there is even a little truth to this...

http://www.bolenreport.com/autism/antivaccine%20yes13.htm#.dpuf

I'm sure there is.

This is where I get philosophical/metaphysical. I was just reading this spiritual take on the recent school shooting in Oregon and
I think the words apply to the situation with the killings of the holistic docs as well. Excerpt:

https://www.facebook.com/Connecting2Consciousness/posts/469637249874772?fref=nf

Understand, please, that you are eternal beings. The ones that "stop" here, so to speak, find themselves fully alive and conscious on the other side. They learn why they found themselves participating in this [or any] experience, and they continue on from there.
This is both an individual and a mass consciousness experience, for the whole of humanity is seeking answers around the idea of and experience of violence. Such strong asking results in strong energies directed at this time/space reality. Your best position at this time is to use these energies to focus on what you WANT for yourself, for the species, for the planet. Do not fall into the pattern of directing this energy at the problem: it has enough energy to have manifested, yes? It needs no more energy.
What would you want instead of a shooting of fellow humans? What would be your desired experience here for yourself, for your species? Note that your response wants to be clear and positive, not "pushing against" anything. Develop an answer that does not continue to feed the "us against them" energy.
Know also that any experience an individual has, involves that individual at the most intimate levels; there are no accidents. Again, the ties come through the actual experience of "beliefs coming to life." The species is facing itself, individually and collectively. You have complete free will to choose your beliefs, develop your intentions, focus your desires. YOU. This is YOUR power; we recommend you recognize this, use it to your greatest benefit: Seek joy, seek peace, seek love, seek ease.
You can do this. You have our full support and that of countless nonphysical beings. You will find us inside; go inside - your inner world is unlimited. This is where your answers are.
We understand fully the emotions that will be generated by this, by all experiences of this kind, but we gently and lovingly remind you of all we've stated above.
Do not fall into despair. Instead, purposefully find the space inside, the vibration inside, of love and peace, and direct that outward.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  angstman on Sun Oct 04, 2015 8:04 am

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Sun Oct 04, 2015 11:27 am

Apropos the suspected murders of holistic docs...there are still a lot who persist in spreading the message.  

https://go.thetruthaboutcancer.com/?a_aid=1591129&inf_contact_key=4a28a85efeffc3710fe84c3f261cdc853254bf1fa4c1877adc80cc3d39432235
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Tue Oct 13, 2015 7:25 am



Unless we challenge policies refusing religious vaccine exemptions, we will lose our rights as citizens. Take action now.

In recent months, Catholic schools around the U.S. have been abruptly changing policy to refuse vaccine religious exemptions, despite clear laws requiring all schools, public and private, to accept religious exemptions. Sadly, they can often get away with this, as few parents are willing to sue a school to force the school to accept their child. However, one brave family in Florida did sue. For reasons unclear to me at this point, and despite the law clearly favoring the parents, the trial court ruled in favor of the Church. So, the parents are taking the case up on appeal. But appeals are very expensive, so they need help. They must raise $40,000 over the next few weeks, and at least $10 right away to get started. We have found a Florida attorney who is also a naturopath who gets it about the vaccine controversy, and he has agreed to take the case if we can raise the necessary funds. He has also agreed to collaborate with me on the legal arguments, which the clients require and I am eager to do, as I have addressed this issue with local attorneys in several states already. The GoFundMe page where the family is accepting donations is here: https://www.gofundme.com/lk9634

This case is very important, as it could have national implications. A win here could have a cooling effect on Catholic and other private schools around the country; and since there is a strong legal argument favoring the parents, I am supporting this case, and am asking for others to help as well. Since you never know how a judge is going to rule until they rule, I do not support court as a means of addressing vaccine controversies unless there is a clear legal argument as I believe there is here, having analyzed this kind of case repeatedly in Florida and other states. But again, we are going to have to have financial support to go forward.

I have already been donating my time, and will be donating more time to help this case to go forward. I will also be collaborating with the Florida attorney on the written legal arguments without requiring funds up front for my work as other attorneys do. So, I am walking my talk on this one when I ask for others to support this case.

About me: I am the nation's only attorney whose practice is focused solely on vaccine exemptions and waivers. I work with clients and attorneys throughout the U.S. concerning vaccine required at birth; for daycare, school and college enrollment; for military members, families, children in military schools, and civilian contractors; for employment, particularly healthcare workers; for immigrants, including foreign adopted children; for children of parents in "vaccine custody disputes" (family law attorneys are not aware of the critical legal arguments unique to vaccines in child custody disputes); and for international travel. I also counsel vaccine legislative activists and legislators around the country regarding vaccine legislation. I have written numerous formal legal analyses explaining why many of the nation's recent vaccine bills violate Constitutional boundaries, to help persuade legislators to support vaccine informed choice and oppose pharmaceutical marketing bills disguised as "health" bills.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  blackjack on Wed Oct 14, 2015 12:55 pm

What if anti-vaxxers is just natural selection, helping remove stupidity from the gene pool.

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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:20 pm

blackjack wrote:What if anti-vaxxers is just natural selection, helping remove stupidity from the gene pool.

Not a single double blind study showing safety and efficacy.

Not a single blinded study showing mercury vs no mercury.

Yet studies worldwide show more problems among vaccinated.

All vaccines cause microvascular damage.


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Post  blackjack on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:24 pm

I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


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Post  CausticSymmetry on Wed Oct 14, 2015 1:43 pm

blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...

There's no bonafide science in vaccines - It's based on antibodies titers, which basically misses the mark completely.

Here is absolute proof that vaccines cause harm.

http://www.reversingvaccineinduceddiseases.com/audio/Science%20of%20Vaccine%20Damage.pdf

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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Wed Oct 14, 2015 5:59 pm

blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


Brainwashed much?
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Post  rofl on Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:18 pm

lol the chemtrail threads have come and gone long ago. as have the morgellon fibre threads.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  angstman on Thu Oct 15, 2015 12:10 am

blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


I don't think anybody is anti science in this thread. We all appreciate it but science has to be done right and without bias. When you don't have "scientific based" studies like a double blind placebo study, how is that even science when it goes against EVERYTHING science stands for. Please answer me that.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  Delphine on Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:35 am

angstman wrote:
blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


I don't think anybody is anti science in this thread.  We all appreciate it but science has to be done right and without bias.  When you don't have "scientific based" studies like a double blind placebo study, how is that even science when it goes against EVERYTHING science stands for.  Please answer me that.

Not to mention the conflict of interest when the vast bulk of these studies are funded by Big Pharma.
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Re: OT: Infant Vaccinations: My Dilemna

Post  CausticSymmetry on Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:46 am

Delphine wrote:
angstman wrote:
blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


I don't think anybody is anti science in this thread.  We all appreciate it but science has to be done right and without bias.  When you don't have "scientific based" studies like a double blind placebo study, how is that even science when it goes against EVERYTHING science stands for.  Please answer me that.

Not to mention the conflict of interest when the vast bulk of these studies are funded by Big Pharma.


Exactly, perhaps this is the disconnect many people have.

For example most people are not aware that the FDA doesn't perform any independent testing on those they "regulate."  Instead, they rely solely on the edited, optimized data with pre-selected study volunteers, and they can further refine the outcome before providing 'safety data' to the FDA.

Of course in regards to vaccines themselves. There are zero placebo trials and there are only vaccine vs vaccines, and not even multi-vaccine testing. It's impossible to derive honest data from it. In retrospective trials, the CDC was found to edit their data. Is the CDC even an honest government agency?  They are not even a government agency, in fact they have a vested interest in vaccines, investing 4 billion per year. How this is not a conflict of interest?

The makers are 100% safeguarded from lawsuits. All of the money comes from tax payers to fund the injury Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP), because vaccines have "unavoidable injury" as they say.

Since the companies regulated by the FDA pay them a "service fee" it seems to be at the very least a flawed system. Also factor in that major corporation leaders have run the FDA. It's a pure fox regulating hens house situation.

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Post  angstman on Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:01 am

That's what I meant by the bias... its unavoidable. I don't know if I posted this before but I am sure there is some serious truth to it.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/editor-in-chief-of-worlds-best-known-medical-journal-half-of-all-the-literature-is-false/5451305



Delphine wrote:
angstman wrote:
blackjack wrote:I love this forum on hair but not when it comes to anti science vaccine crap..
rant over.


soon we'll have threads on chemtrails...


I don't think anybody is anti science in this thread.  We all appreciate it but science has to be done right and without bias.  When you don't have "scientific based" studies like a double blind placebo study, how is that even science when it goes against EVERYTHING science stands for.  Please answer me that.

Not to mention the conflict of interest when the vast bulk of these studies are funded by Big Pharma.
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