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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:25 pm

ive been thinking about it a lot.. masturbation in general makes no sense to me in terms of human physiology. seriously, it is a major flaw of the logic center of the brain that is hurting the body.

when you abstain from orgasm, your jaw becomes more razor sharp, your confidence breaks through the barriers, your skin becomes clear, your hair stops falling out.. etc etc.

what is the point of any living species? to reproduce.

what coincidentally happens when you abstain from masturbation? you become increasingly desirable to the opposite sex. women just fucking want you. they can read it all over your face.

does this blow anyone else's mind? this is evolution literally right in front of our faces. everytime you wack off, you are basically setting the stage for women to want you less because you are not as desirable from a biological perspective to reproduce. women can see the subtle cues that you cannot control that are done for you through your hormones.

the male body is literally pre designed to reproduce for you. all you do is just set the stage for yourself to show you are reproduction ready and the women will flock to you automatically.

it has been posted, there are at least 100 different accounts on nofap boards, of hairloss coming to a complete stop. HELLO? what the fuck is happening everytime you masturbate? is it the prolactin? the cortisol rise? the increase of conversion of T to DHT?

is it possible if you abstain long enough, you can reverse the damage done to the capillaries at the base of the skull that are becoming calcified, that are making blood flow difficult to the skull? how long will it take? once you fix it, can you then live a healthy lifestyle to further prevent the damage?

this is huge. the testimonies are there. are you too deep in addiction to believe it? can you go 30 days without looking at pornography? try it. you will fail and then be like.. holy shit. this is getting out of hand.

100k years ago, did men have time to sit around and wack off? even 100 years ago. they all have way better hair. they also conincidentally worked 12 hours a day.

could this be it? the hidden cause? i DK. what do you think?
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  ghai018 on Mon Jun 23, 2014 8:12 pm

Great post! But very difficult to do if you're in a relationship.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  qzack97 on Tue Jun 24, 2014 9:26 am

I am practicing the longest period of abstinence (no sex/masturbation/porn) I have ever in my life. I will report my findings in a conclusive report. The masturbation-can-do-no-harm lobby group will be ridiculed and isolated from this board once the truth comes out. And that's not to say that masturbation is the only factor behind hairloss for everyone.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Wed Jun 25, 2014 1:44 pm

This current study examined the effect of a 3-week period of sexual abstinence on the neuroendocrine response to masturbation-induced orgasm. Hormonal and cardiovascular parameters were examined in ten healthy adult men during sexual arousal and masturbation-induced orgasm. Blood was drawn continuously and cardiovascular parameters were constantly monitored. This procedure was conducted for each participant twice, both before and after a 3-week period of sexual abstinence. Plasma was subsequently analysed for concentrations of adrenaline, noradrenaline, cortisol, prolactin, luteinizing hormone and testosterone concentrations. Orgasm increased blood pressure, heart rate, plasma catecholamines and prolactin. These effects were observed both before and after sexual abstinence. In contrast, although plasma testosterone was unaltered by orgasm, higher testosterone concentrations were observed following the period of abstinence. These data demonstrate that acute abstinence does not change the neuroendocrine response to orgasm but does produce elevated levels of testosterone in males.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11760788?ordinalpos=16&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum




OBJECTIVE— The goal of this study was to examine the relationship between serum testosterone levels and insulin sensitivity and mitochondrial function in men.

RESEARCH DESIGN AND METHODS—A total of 60 men (mean age 60.5 ± 1.2 years) had a detailed hormonal and metabolic evaluation. Insulin sensitivity was measured using a hyperinsulinemic-euglycemic clamp. Mitochondrial function was assessed by measuring maximal aerobic capacity (VO2max) and expression of oxidative phosphorylation genes in skeletal muscle.

RESULTS—A total of 45% of subjects had normal glucose tolerance, 20% had impaired glucose tolerance, and 35% had type 2 diabetes. Testosterone levels were positively correlated with insulin sensitivity (r = 0.4, P < 0.005). Subjects with hypogonadal testosterone levels (n = 10) had a BMI >25 kg/m2 and a threefold higher prevalence of the metabolic syndrome than their eugonadal counterparts (n = 50); this relationship held true after adjusting for age and sex hormone–binding globulin but not BMI. Testosterone levels also correlated with VO2max (r = 0.43, P < 0.05) and oxidative phosphorylation gene expres​sion(r = 0.57, P < 0.0001).

CONCLUSIONS—These data indicate that low serum testosterone levels are associated with an adverse metabolic profile and suggest a novel unifying mechanism for the previously independent observations that low testosterone levels and impaired mitochondrial function promote insulin resistance in men.

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/content/28/7/1636.long


no ejaculation = high testosterone. high testosterone = better insulin sensitivity.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Espio on Thu Jun 26, 2014 9:54 am

So what we're saying is:

baldness = sex machine

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Duketronix on Thu Jun 26, 2014 10:25 am

I masturbate but do PE and edging, don't ejaculate unless I'm having real sex with my GF and don't use porn to do it... where does that put me? No inflammation problems and hair is coming back with DT and supps.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  qzack97 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 11:48 am

sanderson wrote:
no ejaculation = high testosterone. high testosterone = better insulin sensitivity.

Although I agree with your logic, this is a very simplistic view to look at it. It's excessive ejaculation that causes hairloss in many guys. Somebody that masturbates once a month will not see any hairloss, but when it's done once a day, one may be well past that threshold.

The actual mechanism looks more like this (don't quote me on this):
excessive ejaculation= messed up thyroid/adrenals= messed up T/E ratios= estrogen dominance= hairloss

*messed up thyroid/adrenals can lead to other symptoms like depression, anxiety, irritability, poor concentration, difficulty communicating.

As you can see, everything is interrelated.

Btw, this conversation sounds very much like this convo from two years back lol http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t8153p15-overmasturbation-and-hairloss#83107

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairbeback on Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:15 pm

I was reading edging is bad because it crystallizes the semen and its effects your prostate

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:41 pm

i think it's not the crazy sex machine.. more like crazy masturbating machine.

duke.. many have controlled their hairloss.. i'm just saying it could be a potential root cause type thing.

haha qzack.. blast from the past. funny back on this topic again. yeah i know what you are saying about everything interrelated.. you are right.. it is very complicated.

Harbeback.. I think the actual act of masturbating is bad so this makes sense. i remember when i used to have sessions, my hair would get itchy even though i did not have an orgasm.. it was the actual act of it that was causing the problem.. but the orgasm is what prolonged.

everyone makes good points, it's really hard to know. i am at 30 days no orgasm right now.. i am going to be continuing this indefinetely until i actually have sex.. my body is screwed from finasteride still.. i'm hoping this sets my body's natural rythms back into place possibly.. i'll let you guys know how it goes.

one thing i noticed though. i have not had much itch, but i also have not been washing my hair. i noticed today and i had noticable shedding happening.. and i did eat gluten yesterday. 30 days with no orgasm and this still happened.. albiet with a very sebumy scalp. def. the gluten made an impact, will not touch again (was first time in about a month).. so who knows.. let's see what happens with more time.

however.. i know it is doing something. my voice at times is very deep.. my jaw has also become more sharpened.. i have a picture of myself from school ID from like 8 months ago where my face looks like a round, now it is much more angular. praying it works out.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Duketronix on Thu Jun 26, 2014 3:29 pm

It also depends alot on how you control your energy/tense up when you do it. I used to get itch and scalp heat from it but don't now that I have better control and don't beat it like an angry little monkey.

As for crystalizing semen, that sounds very odd to me... never heard of it or experienced it... Seems bogus to me given that when you have a vasectomy the fluid is just reabsorbed, why would edging me any different?

I fully agree that chronic masturbation and use of porn is bad and could aid in hairloss though. But even just sitting around all day could help too.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  qzack97 on Thu Jun 26, 2014 6:49 pm

Starting this month, I had two straight weeks of no fapping to porn, and I saw a sharp decrease in hair shedding. But it all came to an end.. I masturbated 8 times this week! Since then, my hair has started to fall out like crazy. I swear I want to cut my dick off!

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  ghai018 on Fri Jun 27, 2014 10:28 pm

Problem is I almost think that if you've done it heavily in the past, it's irreversible. Whatever hormone/body changes that it's done to you... it doesn't matter if you nofap it's not being reversed.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Sat Jun 28, 2014 7:18 am

ghai018 wrote:Problem is I almost think that if you've done it heavily in the past, it's irreversible. Whatever hormone/body changes that it's done to you... it doesn't matter if you nofap it's not being reversed.

Well, consider this; alopecia areata / totalis / universalis sufferers sometimes grow back their hair after many years (decades even) of being bald. Alopecia areata has a similar pathology to MPB in terms of inflammation causing damage to hair cells. yet, if these follicles can regenerate after many years, then i don't see why the same cannot happen in the follicles of MPB sufferers. So, on that note, I think there is hope for us.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairy Potter on Sat Jun 28, 2014 8:58 pm

I agree with Xenon - the body tends towards homeostasis and health. I personally don't believe that anything is irreversible.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  qzack97 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 12:19 am

ghai018 wrote:Problem is I almost think that if you've done it heavily in the past, it's irreversible. Whatever hormone/body changes that it's done to you... it doesn't matter if you nofap it's not being reversed.

Right, it won't be reversed. So let's keep fapping excessively, and continue until we are completely bald. Good comment!

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Sun Jun 29, 2014 1:16 am

More new anecdotal evidence:


"heyyyy some guys say fapping doesnt lead to hairloss .the truth is Fapping accelerates baldness....... I am a 17 yo Indian.....I had thin and less hair in the side and top of my head ....But from January 2014 ....I have been trying to stop fapping .Although I failed many times...I could reduce the frequency of fapping ...Guess what ....My hair had got thicker.....Now when i run my hands through my hair i dont find those strands of hair i used to find before....I swear its true"

"I am going to no fap so as to recover my lost hair as with my previous experience of 25 days without fapping I recovered my hair quite well!anyone had the experience of recovering from hair loss with no fap!!"

"No joke I had hair fallow off my "crown", itching every day. Now after weeks of nofap the hair is GROWING BACK"

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/28y99p/hair_loss/

"I've noticed something strange though. Usually, when I'm taking a shower and I run my hands through my hair, I'd get MANY strands of my own HEALTHY hair in my palm.
BUT after I started nofap, hair loss has been decreasing for me!"

"yeah man, I srs was balding before nofap, but now? NOPE, and also its like hair is growing back on my receding hairline, its like teh fucking hairline is coming back lolol!"


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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Sun Jun 29, 2014 11:29 am

stresssucks wrote:More new anecdotal evidence:


"heyyyy some guys say fapping doesnt lead to hairloss .the truth is Fapping accelerates baldness....... I am a 17 yo Indian.....I had thin and less hair in the side and top of my head ....But from January 2014 ....I have been trying to stop fapping .Although I failed many times...I could reduce the frequency of fapping ...Guess what ....My hair had got thicker.....Now when i run my hands through my hair i dont find those strands of hair i used to find before....I swear its true"

"I am going to no fap so as to recover my lost hair as with my previous experience of 25 days without fapping I recovered my hair quite well!anyone had the experience of recovering from hair loss with no fap!!"

"No joke I had hair fallow off my "crown", itching every day. Now after weeks of nofap the hair is GROWING BACK"

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/28y99p/hair_loss/

"I've noticed something strange though. Usually, when I'm taking a shower and I run my hands through my hair, I'd get MANY strands of my own HEALTHY hair in my palm.
BUT after I started nofap, hair loss has been decreasing for me!"

"yeah man, I srs was balding before nofap, but now? NOPE, and also its like hair is growing back on my receding hairline, its like teh fucking hairline is coming back lolol!"


insane.

holy shit guys. if any of you or single, or hell even in a relationship.. i highly.. HIGHLY recommend you give a try to going porn free for a couple of weeks. I am at around 23 days or porn free, 35 days of orgasm free. i've done this long before, but never this long with no porn.

you people need to try this. it is like a different fucking world completely with no porn. regardless of the hair benefits.. it's like i can instantly tell who watches too much porn or not when i talk to them. it really.. solidifies you as a man like i've never experienced before. seriously try this.

this is a little shocking.. but after 20+ days off porn.. i feel like a completely different person in a good way.. honestly a little shocked. check out this site for the effects of porn.. this is a very real addiction.. i think this is effecting more people than you think.. i mean, you guys on this forum, how often do you look at porn? can you go for a week without it? i'm guessing you cannot.. for how long have you been doing this.. at least 5-10 years?

link: http://www.fightthenewdrug.org/get-the-facts#porn-is-like-a-drug

what if porn is actually adding into the hair loss puzzle? the feelings of anxiety and nervousness? the fucked up dopamine levels after years of use? is it possible? it's clear porn messes with neurotransmitters.. that is fact.. but i don't know the the downward cycle of other systems. i can see how it can increase cortisol.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  qzack97 on Sun Jun 29, 2014 2:27 pm

Regardless of how many testimonials we see, there are still numbnuts who say this is all a fairy tale- that there is no correlation between fapping and hair regrowth. Of course, these people are no different to the catholic church who claimed that the sun revolved around the earth and would try to hang anybody that thinks otherwise. Insane indeed.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  schpiloch123 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 12:14 am

What about guys with no hands like this guy:
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Vujicic

Looks like he's thinning well, but how could he fap?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:03 am

schpiloch123 wrote:What about guys with no hands like this guy:  
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Vujicic

Looks like he's thinning well, but how could he fap?

are you fuckin kidding me? No one is saying Fapping is the only cause of baldness. It seems like it is a factor for some people is the point of this thread.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  schpiloch123 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:15 am

Chill man, just making an observation.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:16 am

schpiloch123 wrote:Chill man, just making an observation.

a useless observation already discussed. at best contributes nothing, at worst is trying to nullify the thread with poor logic.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  DeadlyDevice on Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:17 am

There was a post some time ago where someone linked to a thread where a guy apparently lowered his serum DHT levels by abstaining for 3 weeks. If abstaining really does lower DHT then I suppose that is one mechanism by which it could help at least slow down hair loss...

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  schpiloch123 on Mon Jun 30, 2014 2:44 am

I think it shows that masturbation doesn't have much to do with it personally.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Mon Jun 30, 2014 3:48 am

another one today

"Uh no. My hair has never grown so well after going on hard mode. Now even if I pull my hair hard, nothing will fall off."

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