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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Mon Jun 30, 2014 6:16 am

schpiloch123 wrote:What about guys with no hands like this guy:  
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nick_Vujicic

Looks like he's thinning well, but how could he fap?

yeah that's a good point.. not sure about that one.

here's what i can tell you for fact though: going without masturbation reduces the "itch" drastically. the ITCH goes down. i don't know if the itch actually causes the hairloss or not.

i am on day 35ish now.. i scruffled my hair and i did see a bunch of hairs falling out. however, i also have not washed my hair in like.. 20 days about and ive started brushing everyday. i wanted to try going sebum only route because it seems like a good moisturizer and all the itch goes away as long as i brush it.

tihs could be a mistake.. but i wanted to try it for a week or two to see how it fares. hair looks really thick, but then again.. still getting falling out.. but it's not accompanied by any itch. no idea what this means.
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Post  Espio on Mon Jun 30, 2014 8:29 pm

Someone mentioned "edging," in which someone goes just to the point of no return then backs off, and some people might do this for hours. Myself included, sometimes I look at the time and a couple hours has gone by. I'm embarrassed to admit that, but is anyone else in this category as well?

I'm wondering if that could be the difference between sex and masturbation for some people. With sex, especially if you're married, it's like "Alright, hurry up lets get this over with." Five minutes later, both of you are done and ready to sleep. When one is alone and masturbating, it could take a lot longer.

So I'm wondering, for you people who are noticing good things from cutting out masturbating, what if you kept masturbating a few times a week, but instead tried to keep it to 5 minutes and get it over with as fast as possible, kind of like you would do when having sex. At the very least, it's an easier alternative for those of you who don't want to give up masturbation.

I know I'm going to offend people here, but this is another opinion of mine. This would make sense because the act of withholding orgasm to please the woman, it's kind of a western kind of concept, because civilized people are kind of obsessed with pleasing women and putting them on a pedestal. Outside the western world, women are not much more than objects for the male sexual pleasure, and I've heard that sex is much shorter in most of the world because it's very male focused, and it's all about the male getting to orgasm ASAP. And low and behold look how much more common baldness is in western peoples than it is in the outside world? It makes sense biologically too, do you think  any male animal really cares about taking as long as possible in sex just to please the female? No way.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Mon Jun 30, 2014 11:06 pm

Espio wrote:Someone mentioned "edging," in which someone goes just to the point of no return then backs off, and some people might do this for hours. Myself included, sometimes I look at the time and a couple hours has gone by. I'm embarrassed to admit that, but is anyone else in this category as well?

yes

actually day35 today.. here's what i notice so far:

skin has been incredibely clear lately. acne has been cleared up. this one is very interesting, but the chest fungus i ususally get has bee ncompletely gone for the last 2 weeks. usually it always pops up every couple of weeks, but nothing on my chest now. i'm hoping this relates to the x factor fungus said to cause hair loss as a possibility maybe??

the negative is now i have absolutely no libido, no desire towards porn, no desire towards women at all. it's called the flatline. getting very depressed at times. when i talk to girls though, they seem to laugh at shit and i definetely have way more control over myself... this is really good for getting girls, although i havent really tried, but i have gotten more "looks" since doing this at times.. other times not at all.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairbeback on Tue Jul 01, 2014 9:19 am

When I did it I noticed nothing, lasted about 2 weeks, only thing I noticed is it heightened my anxiety

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Espio on Sat Jul 05, 2014 4:27 pm

I think an earlier poster nailed it when they said that dopamine from masturbation, particularly "edging" could be the cause of hair loss. Here's a study on dopamine causing hair loss in women, so imagine how much it affects men:


Baldness Induced By Dopamine Treatments May Be Reversible



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ST. PAUL, MN -- March 11, 2002 -- Two women with Parkinson?s disease who developed alopecia (baldness) while being treated with the dopamine agonists pramipexole or ropinirole found that the hair loss stopped after the drugs were discontinued and replaced with a new treatment.
The study is published in the current issue of Neurology, the scientific journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

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Post  sanderson on Sun Jul 06, 2014 5:25 am

pretty interesting. i'm wondering what the mechanisms behind the scenes that are similar to edging. for example, i read online that dopamine agonists increase the dopamine receptor sensitivity:

A dopamine agonist is a compound that activates dopamine receptors in the absence of dopamine. Dopamine agonists activate signaling pathways through the dopamine receptor and trimeric G-proteins, ultimately leading to changes in gene transcription.

then i read this study, surely this can't be the same thing. it says walking increases dopamine receptor sensitivity. i've been walking recently everyday a couple of hours to try to improve the sensitivity because of this study:

Treadmill exercise elevates striatal dopamine D2 receptor binding potential in patients with early Parkinson's disease.
http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236602732_Treadmill_exercise_elevates_striatal_dopamine_D2_receptor_binding_potential_in_patients_with_early_Parkinson's_disease

Thyroid being wacked out from dopamine changing drugs:

Dopamine is a physiological regulator of thyrotrophin (TSH) secretion in normal man.
Using a sensitive and precise radioimmunoassay for human TSH we have demonstrated significant elevations in serum TSH levels in euthyroid volunteers following administration of the dopamine receptor blocking drug metoclopramide when compared with placebo. The degree of TSH response is significantly greater in females than in males and is sustained over a 3-hour period after a single oral 10 mg dose of metoclopramide. The degree of TSH release after metoclopramide is inversely related to the basal TSH level suggesting that dopamine is a determinant of low daytime TSH levels and is thus implicated in the circadian rhythm of TSH secretion. Pretreatment with 10 mg of metoclopramide orally, one hour before TRH administration leads to significant enhancement of the TSH response to TRH. Our findings provide further evidence for the physiological inhibitory role of dopamine in the contol of TSH secretion in normal man. The possible mode of action of dopamine and the clinical implications of this neuroregulatory pathway are discussed.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/436307


Here's another interesting post I found in relation to dopamine:

74% of adults are iodine deficient. Iodine is required to make T3 and T4, if the body doesn't have enough of these thyroid hormones then the hypothalamus secretes TRH (Thyrotropin-releasing hormone)which releases TSH (Thyroid-stimulating hormone) and prolactin (1). Prolactin, as we all know, is antagonistic to dopamine. The TSH that is released from the anterior pituitary gland further lowers dopamine (2). If the thyroid doesn't create T3 and T4 the TSH levels keep climbing, and dopamine will keep dropping.


(1) TRH increases prolactin and decreases dopamine http://www.ncbi.nlm..../pubmed/6796383
(2) Dopamine antagonist raises TSH http://www.ncbi.nlm....v/pubmed/436307


I'm currently on Iodine (5mg/day) and the Mr. Happy Uridine stack, and there is some nice synergy here; I feel balanced, happy, energetic, and my imagination is vivid and alive again.
http://www.longecity.org/forum/topic/68299-the-dopamine-iodine-connection/

So we know prolactin is released during masturbation.

I just don't know what the actual problem is. Is it the dopamine receptor is less sensitive, or is it less dopamine is being released from masturbation and that is what needs to be increased? Does all the free dopamine in the body that is moving around automtically go to a receptor, or does it take a certain amount for it to work properly?
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairbeback on Sun Jul 06, 2014 9:33 am

So edging is out of the question? No fap is hard, but I love the challenge!

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Espio on Sun Jul 06, 2014 7:07 pm

Thanks for the research. It seems like no matter what, everything related to hair goes back to the thyroid. Edgar Cayce was right all along.

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Post  Hairbeback on Mon Jul 07, 2014 7:57 am

I personally don't see the connection between masturbation and hair loss, but I am on no fap day 7. I want to notice the benefits people are claiming online. Haven't noticed any yet

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  nidhogge on Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:19 am

I believe that abstaining can benefit one's hair, but it depends on the individual's case, really. Every body is different. Looking at it objectively, you are losing a ton of vital nutrients and "lifeforce" if you will from orgasm. These nutrients MUST be replenished by your reproductive system to continue being able to, well, reproduce, so it yanks them from other areas of your body that aren't as important (ie. - hair). Of course, as mentioned, everyone is different. I do believe that saving it for sex is the best thing to do... also, keeps your libido up and sharp, as opposed to making you feel lackadaisical toward the opposite sex.

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Post  nidhogge on Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:21 am

Espio wrote:Someone mentioned "edging," in which someone goes just to the point of no return then backs off, and some people might do this for hours. Myself included, sometimes I look at the time and a couple hours has gone by. I'm embarrassed to admit that, but is anyone else in this category as well?

I'm wondering if that could be the difference between sex and masturbation for some people. With sex, especially if you're married, it's like "Alright, hurry up lets get this over with." Five minutes later, both of you are done and ready to sleep. When one is alone and masturbating, it could take a lot longer.

So I'm wondering, for you people who are noticing good things from cutting out masturbating, what if you kept masturbating a few times a week, but instead tried to keep it to 5 minutes and get it over with as fast as possible, kind of like you would do when having sex. At the very least, it's an easier alternative for those of you who don't want to give up masturbation.

I know I'm going to offend people here, but this is another opinion of mine. This would make sense because the act of withholding orgasm to please the woman, it's kind of a western kind of concept, because civilized people are kind of obsessed with pleasing women and putting them on a pedestal. Outside the western world, women are not much more than objects for the male sexual pleasure, and I've heard that sex is much shorter in most of the world because it's very male focused, and it's all about the male getting to orgasm ASAP. And low and behold look how much more common baldness is in western peoples than it is in the outside world? It makes sense biologically too, do you think  any male animal really cares about taking as long as possible in sex just to please the female? No way.

"Edging" works FANTASTIC. I've known it as the "Stalin", because Joseph Stalin used this method to keep his mind sharp and test levels high (or so it's been said). Not going all the way seems to actually INCREASE your energy levels. I'd imagine if you were an avid practitioner of an energy work such as Kundalini Yoga or Tai Chi, you'd know how to better manipulate this energy for positive usage within your body.

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Post  nidhogge on Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:22 am

Espio wrote:Thanks for the research. It seems like no matter what, everything related to hair goes back to the thyroid. Edgar Cayce was right all along.

Thus, why we came out with Thyroid Boost. /cheap plug ;-)

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Post  Hairbeback on Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:10 am

I hear edging is better or it is worse, and if you edge you should restart no fap. I am confused

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Post  qzack97 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:12 pm

Hairbeback wrote:I personally don't see the connection between masturbation and hair loss, but I am on no fap day 7. I want to notice the benefits people are claiming online. Haven't noticed any yet

Day 7 is nothing. For me, it took two weeks for the shedding to slow down, but it slowed down tremendously.. And it will take months for the old hair to grow back (during which time you must keep ejaculation to a minimum). There are no shortcuts.

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Post  qzack97 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:15 pm

Hairbeback wrote:I hear edging is better or it is worse, and if you edge you should restart no fap. I am confused

Edging is a terrible habit, and many argue that it wipes out the gains you make from quitting porn. At best, all it does is make it easier to fall back into a life of masturbation addiction (and more hairloss if you're one of the susceptible guys).

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Post  qzack97 on Mon Jul 07, 2014 2:21 pm

nidhogge wrote:
Espio wrote:Thanks for the research. It seems like no matter what, everything related to hair goes back to the thyroid. Edgar Cayce was right all along.

Thus, why we came out with Thyroid Boost. /cheap plug ;-)

I have heard that we must be careful with thyroid supplementation. Is "thyroid boost" something that can be taken long term? Does it allow one to ejaculate more often without experiencing negative side effects like hairloss? And how is it different from taking iodine supplements like Iosol, etc.?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:14 am

anecdotes from the past week:

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/29plts/a_gift_to_myself/

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/29v9sm/hair_loss_has_reduced_but_will_i_get_regrowth/

"So i am now on day 45 and over the last few weeks i have noticed that my hair hardly falls out! I can literally rub my scalp and have like one or two hairs fall out, whereas before id lose about 50!"

"Trust me dude !!! I m 17 ...... I had hairloss at 16 itself .....Not fully bald but the scalp was visible due to thin hair ....... From Jan.2014 i took NoFap !! Even though i didnt have a 30 + streak !! I reduced the frequency of fapping !! Guess what ?? It has grown now !! A lot thicker ..... New hair starts growing on the edge of my forehead !!"

"Im not kidding, Day 47 here for me and I notice regrowth and my hair loss has completely STOPPED. No more itchy scalp, which I always had for years.
Also seems like my old hairline is coming back wtf??"

"I have also found that my hair is falling out a lot less. I cannot say if it is regrowing yet though."

(more discussion in the links)

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Post  sanderson on Fri Jul 11, 2014 3:08 pm

im at 45 days now. no temple regrowth from what i can see. i've noticed a few interesting trends though. shedding has definetely gone down considerably. i can eat stuff with sugar in it and not get the "itch" for whatever reason. i also haven't washed my hair or gotten it wet at all in 40 days about, so i'm not sure how much that plays a part in it, but i've been brushing it everyday. another interesting thing is i still have dandruff occassionally, but it does not relate to when my hair falls out. i will have dandruff, but no hair will come out. so i dont think dandruff directly causes hair loss. also, today i noticed i had some itching in my head, but i had no hairs come out? that was strange, i thought for sure the itch and hairs coming out were directly related, but this was not the case.

another interesting thing i've noticed is that sometimes i notice i will feel surges where my sideburn area where hair is, it will feel like it is literally expanding and feels pressure. i think it might be DHT overflowing into my system from finasteride screwing my body up at times? not sure.

i'm pretty much all in for life at this point with nofap, so i will be the guinea pig for you guys. i have sneaking suspicions that part of finasteride effects have to do with messed up dopamine levels.. so i am just trying to normalize the receptors. honestly, masturbating is a waste of time for me anyway and i dont accomplish anything. it also boosts my confidence, although not 100% yet.. i have basically been in an ever constant flatline.

i also found out from nofap forum that russel brand apparently said wacking off was horrible and he doesnt do it. interesting enough he has a great head of hair.

anyway, i'm not planning on relapsing anytime soon because i need to do this for the fin side effects anyway. i'm curious to see what happens in the next 40 days.
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Post  Xenon on Fri Jul 11, 2014 9:35 pm

Sanderson, I think it's perfectly healthy to masturbate now and then, at least. We don't know what potentially unwanted side effects absolute long term abstinence could cause, so without sounding preachy, just be careful of prostate, erectile, feminization issues.

Remember too, it is masturbating in excess which seems to trigger hair loss, but doing it now and then is OK.
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Post  sanderson on Sat Jul 12, 2014 12:49 am

Xenon wrote:Sanderson, I think it's perfectly healthy to masturbate now and then, at least. We don't know what potentially unwanted side effects absolute long term abstinence could cause, so without sounding preachy, just be careful of prostate, erectile, feminization issues.

Remember too, it is masturbating in excess which seems to trigger hair loss, but doing it now and then is OK.

makes sense there is another side to the story, i know you've gone down this path before. any more thoughts on the other negatives of it or can you elaborate more on that?
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Post  Xenon on Sat Jul 12, 2014 2:44 am

I never suffered from the side effects mentioned, but I gained weight very rapidly last time i did it. The strange thing was, this seemed to be a mix of fat and muscle mass. I guess side effects may differ for each individual.

Cutting down on masturbating definitely helps, but it is by no means a miracle cure. Sure I regrew some temple hairs around the six month mark, but who knows how long it would have taken to see something significant via that method alone?

P.S. if this helps; I found that jerking off very fast seems to be the problem. i don't really want to go down the heat theory path at this point, but I have noticed that if I exercise or jerk off very intensely, then my temples produce a shitload of heat and afterwards I suffer inflammation, yet if I do it slowly (and now and again) this doesn't seem to be a problem, hence no inflammation.

This might have something to do with too much blood pressure being exerted upon constricted capillaries, it is difficult to say, but I have just noticed that inflammation seems to be a side effect of too much heat caused from intense masturbating / exercise.

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Post  Espio on Sat Jul 12, 2014 7:04 pm

Sanderson, just to clarify, are you going the no masturbation route, or no ejaculation at all?

A poster named "Glacier" has an old post on this forum saying that he stopped his hairloss by stopping masturbating only, he still has sex though. ANd when he added the supplements he regrew hair.

I wanted to link a very interesting scientific article from 1957, on the physical value of sex continence. It's a very long read but I couldn't stop reading it, it was so interesting because not only does it talk about the physiological effects of ejaculation, but it also talks about history and how great societies in the past (like Spartans and some Greek philosophers) knew that eating meat was a sexual stimulate. He talks about the cultural differences in peoples who refrained from eating meat and how the men behaved so differently. The Spartans for example had the willpower to sleep in separate living quarters from their wives, now how is that possible, could you imagine modern men having the willpower to do this? And no don't say that they were all gay or something, because these were some of the best warriors in the planet.

The article brings up the argument that the way the Spartan men lived was actually much more natural from a biological point of view. What other animals have sex all year around like humans do? Only domesticated animals... why? Because domesticated animals are eating the same foods that we do. We feed our dogs processed meat like we eat, and they want to screw all year around. But take a wild animal like a wolf, they only screw once a year, and that's if they are lucky!

http://www.people.nnov.ru/celibate/brhat/continence.htm

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Post  sanderson on Sun Jul 13, 2014 4:00 am

Espio wrote:Sanderson, just to clarify, are you going the no masturbation route, or no ejaculation at all?

A poster named "Glacier" has an old post on this forum saying that he stopped his hairloss by stopping masturbating only, he still has sex though. ANd when he added the supplements he regrew hair.

I wanted to link a very interesting scientific article from 1957, on the physical value of sex continence. It's a very long read but I couldn't stop reading it, it was so interesting because not only does it talk about the physiological effects of ejaculation, but it also talks about history and how great societies in the past (like Spartans and some Greek philosophers) knew that eating meat was a sexual stimulate. He talks about the cultural differences in peoples who refrained from eating meat and how the men behaved so differently. The Spartans for example had the willpower to sleep in separate living quarters from their wives, now how is that possible, could you imagine modern men having the willpower to do this? And no don't say that they were all gay or something, because these were some of the best warriors in the planet.

The article brings up the argument that the way the Spartan men lived was actually much more natural from a biological point of view. What other animals have sex all year around like humans do? Only domesticated animals... why? Because domesticated animals are eating the same foods that we do. We feed our dogs processed meat like we eat, and they want to screw all year around. But take a wild animal like a wolf, they only screw once a year, and that's if they are lucky!

http://www.people.nnov.ru/celibate/brhat/continence.htm

no ejaculation, no porn, no sex. my body is fucked from finasteride, i'm just riding this out since everytime i orgasm i feel about 100x worse, so following that logic.. i'm just going down that route. i'm in a serious flatline right now.. honestly the worst i've felt in my life, so i'm hoping this is correcting my receptors. i'm not going to orgasm again until i am able to lift weights without crashing.

interesting article.. i'll check it out. i went vegan for about a month or two, i had absolutely rock bottom zero sexual desire or libido at all during that time.. however my skin looked way better, so that makes sense.

here's some interesting research i found on nofap. also relates to what you said about sex vs masturbation.

" After orgasm from sexual intercourse, the increase in blood prolactin (a hormone released after orgasm) levels is 400 per cent higher in both sexes compared with after orgasm from masturbation. The hormone prolactin makes us feel satiated by countering the effect of dopamine, which is released during sexual arousal" http://psychcentral.com/blog/archives/2006/02/24/orgasms-best-in-sex-vs-masturbation/
"Taken together, these results suggest that PRL (prolactin) and GH (growth hormone IGF) are involved in regulating AR (androgen receptor) synthesis" http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/030372079290011T
So if you were to put the above two together, it means that the release of prolactin from orgasm during intercourse helps rebuild the androgen receptors, which would not be the case during masturbation, as well as keeping your dopamine in check
http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/2aifyq/difference_between_sex_and_masturbation_on_your/

I've been doing a fair bit of reading lately, and ever since I started the nofap journey over a year ago, it seems like there is an overwhelming misconception that abstaining from PMO increases testosterone levels.
Lets get this out of the way - science has proven that there is a spike after 7 days, but your levels drop back to normal after that. This is pretty well documented, and peer reviewed, so it's safe to assume it's correct.
Why do we experience "superpowers" which are traditionally linked to higher testosterone such as increased confidence, enhanced mood, better sleep, body/facial hair growth etc then?
A quick background on the science: It has been shown in rats, and now also in other mammals, that there is a decrease in androgen receptors (testosterone is an androgen, so basically they're less sensitive to testosterone) after ejaculation. This means that your brain absorbs less testosterone after ejaculation. These receptors revert to their original density after 24-72 hours, depending on whether sexual satiety was reached (the mammal was all sexed-out)
How does this relate to us? Every time you watch porn, you masturbate, right? I don't really know of anyone who watches porn for the plot or special effects... With every ejaculation, there's a decrease in your androgen receptors, albeit only for a day or two. However, this brings 2 problems:
1) Every time you ejaculate before all the receptors are restored, you extend the time required for full restoration of androgen receptor density. Considering that many of us masturbate at least once a day, this means that we never allow our receptor levels to be restored, and given that it can take up to 72 hours for restoration from just one ejaculation - chances are that there's an exponential decrease with every ejaculation.
2) Your brain isn't stupid. It realises that there is a continuing trend of diminishing androgen receptor density, so even after a couple of days of abstinence, it doesn't bother increasing the density because it expects it to decrease again as soon as it does.
The implications of the above 2 points are that not only does it take long for your androgen receptors to be restored due to the constant and continual decrease thereof, but it also takes long before your brain even starts to restore them.

Theoretically, this should correlate with how often and for how long frequent masturbation has exceeded sexual satiety, meaning that the longer you've had this problem, the longer it will take before you see or feel any difference.
Now, as your androgen receptor density gradually starts increasing, your body doesn't produce more testosterone, but your brain does however become more sensitive to it due to the increase in receptors. This increase in absorption is responsible for the "superpowers" such as increased confidence, motivation, better sleep etc because the increase in testosterone absorption is the starting point for all of these, and although these are associated with higher testosterone levels, the fact of the matter is that your testosterone hasn't increased but rather that your body and brain is more sensitive to it.
TL;DR: You don't produce more testosterone, your brain merely becomes more sensitive to it which results in benefits associated with increased testosterone
Note: The point of the post was only to discuss testosterone and immediate neuro-plasticity effects and as such anything relating to dopamine, serotonin etc was ignored.

"Serum androgen levels did not vary after one ejaculation or copulation to exhaustion. These data reveal that sexual activity reduces AR in specific brain areas and suggest the possibility that such a reduction underlies the sexual inhibition that characterizes sexual satiety" http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12689608
Here's a study which links an increase in estrogen receptors after ejaculation: http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0018506X06003345
There's a multitude of info on this available at yourbrainonporn and various other sites too, though I prefer purely scientific unbiased sources such as the above links

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Post  Duketronix on Sun Jul 13, 2014 6:35 am

Espio wrote:Sanderson, just to clarify, are you going the no masturbation route, or no ejaculation at all?

A poster named "Glacier" has an old post on this forum saying that he stopped his hairloss by stopping masturbating only, he still has sex though. ANd when he added the supplements he regrew hair.

I wanted to link a very interesting scientific article from 1957, on the physical value of sex continence. It's a very long read but I couldn't stop reading it, it was so interesting because not only does it talk about the physiological effects of ejaculation, but it also talks about history and how great societies in the past (like Spartans and some Greek philosophers) knew that eating meat was a sexual stimulate. He talks about the cultural differences in peoples who refrained from eating meat and how the men behaved so differently. The Spartans for example had the willpower to sleep in separate living quarters from their wives, now how is that possible, could you imagine modern men having the willpower to do this? And no don't say that they were all gay or something, because these were some of the best warriors in the planet.

The article brings up the argument that the way the Spartan men lived was actually much more natural from a biological point of view. What other animals have sex all year around like humans do? Only domesticated animals... why? Because domesticated animals are eating the same foods that we do. We feed our dogs processed meat like we eat, and they want to screw all year around. But take a wild animal like a wolf, they only screw once a year, and that's if they are lucky!

http://www.people.nnov.ru/celibate/brhat/continence.htm

Relating being a good warrior to being straight = prejudice fail.

I don't think it takes any will power at all to sleep in another room from my girlfriend, but not banging her EVER would.  And what's the point?   I continue to do what I want (without porn mind you) and get regrowth.  

I agree with Xenon and think it has a lot to do with poor technique.  When I used porn and beat it all aggressively I would get heat and tense my neck up etc.. etc.....    If you learn to control your body and ride the wave in a healthy way it is TOTALLY different.  Like with edging....  Are we talking about edging while clicking on tons of porn to stay hard?  that isn't good... DOPAMINE OVERLOAD!!  But if you are laying in bed with your eyes closed and touching more than just your penis and taking it slow then it's a completely different exercise.  Proper edging and ballooning with no porn actually helped increase my sensitivity if anything.  I certainly do it less often than I would with porn too since I tend to need the time and the inclination/actually be horny instead of just looking to release out of habit.

Discipline isn't always completely cutting something out.  Discipline can be having the REAL control of doing it healthily and not falling into an addictive pattern with it.  The discipline to control the negative without having to throw out the positive.  Like drinking, discipline isn't never going in a bar and avoiding all drinking situations, that's just avoidance.  Discipline is going to a bar and having one drink if you feel like it but then stopping if/when it isn't the appropriate time to have more.


If no fap makes you feel better then I certainly think you should do it though.  Do what makes you happy!

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Post  stresssucks on Sun Jul 13, 2014 10:56 am

I thought prolactin was bad for hair?

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