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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:15 am

yup wrote:I masturbated at day 86 of my nofap streak and now i am on 110 days.
So i did it once in 110 days.

Hair loss is non existant to be honest.

What was interesting is that when i fapped afterwards i was so tired
that i slept for an hour (it was like my spirit was so exhausted,in my sleep i felt
like i was gonna go out of my body) and i was attracting other type of people.

Like attracts like.Period.

When i see people in the gym that cant complete gym programs feeling that
their legs are so weak i am sure that the same day they fapped or had sex.

Nofap is great. And to the people that say fapping is good for the forever alone
i say that by the time they use the word''forever alone'' they lost it.
Its all about self putting limitations.

Nofap is a great way to gain self confidence and accomplish more things.

dude exactly. i am on day 5 or 6 right now, but i feel WAY LESS anxiety, way more confident, just feeling more normal. this is 100% not in my head. i think this is a massively overlooked factor in not only hairloss, but in health overall.

but the questions becomes, WHY? this is not some psedo science, this is 100% real. i know testosterone peaks at 7 days post no maturbation, could this be it? testertoserone better regulates insulin in the body. it's possible. or is it that we are losing vital nutrients? semen releases a lot of choloride, choloride makes up stomach acid, are we not digesting food as well leading to more inflammation, leading to hair loss, or even a bigger fungal overload because bacteria isn't being neutralized?

this is 100% real... it's not some fantasy of, oh someone doesnt masturbate and they feel better.. that's just the way it is. no, there is some underlying reason for why masturbation and or ejaculation is causing problems.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  BelieveInIt on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:09 am

i think it has something to do with chemical reactions in the brain during orgasm. the feeling after 2-3 orgasms is just like a bad comedown after a powerful drug rush. you just wanna sleep, pain feels more intense, have problems to focus. after beeing abstinent a long time and then relapsing i know it's definitely not only in my head..if you do it every day your ruining your potential. that's what it is. it takes about a week for me to get back to 100%.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:27 am

posted 22 hours ago, guy talking about benefits after 30 days:

" A halt to hair shedding which was especially marked after a binge, but no new hair growth as yet."

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Sun Apr 06, 2014 1:52 pm

stresssucks wrote:posted 22 hours ago, guy talking about benefits after 30 days:

" A halt to hair shedding which was especially marked after a binge, but no new hair growth as yet."

exactly, exactly, exactly. something is key here that is happening during orgasm that is contributing to the problem. i wonder if.. talking "prehistoric" here.. if guys who watched other dudes having sex, it caused a different kind of orgasm versus actually having sex. like I know xenon talks a lot about heat buildup during sex versus masturbation and how masturbation causes more. what if it is a way for a female to know if biologically, guys that have hair loss, it shows they are a beta male, because they dont have sex, they just watch the alpha male having sex all the time. this is just random talk here.. don't take it seriously ha ha. but who knows. there's definetely something that switches in the female mind when you stay away from orgasm, they are more open to you, it's like they can feel your presence. overall, humans are just more intellectually advanced animals.

there's definetely a connection.. FAURK.. there isnt too much into this. i really wonder if insulin spikes low, like someone else just said they felt they had to pass out. so many possibilities here.. hard to make the connection as to what the root cause really is here.. heat buildup, insulin..

hell, maybe the liver doesnt detoxify as well if testosterone drops. i know there is an enzyme in the liver, when I researched into CYP340 I think it is called, maybe a different number but.. it detoxifies drugs in your blood. Coincidentially, it also metabolizes testosterone. That was my theory as to why finasteride may cause testosterone to drop.. this enzyme is raised filtering out the drug from your body, but it also metabolizes testosterone so it lowers as well.

I wonder if testosterone dropping from masturbation causes some other enzyme to not work as well.. maybe cauisng heavy metal buildup? Decrease immune resistance...? Anyone know about liver enzymes that do these things? ..so many things it could be!
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Post  Dannyboy on Sun Apr 06, 2014 9:28 pm

yup wrote:I masturbated at day 86 of my nofap streak and now i am on 110 days.
So i did it once in 110 days.

Hair loss is non existant to be honest.

What was interesting is that when i fapped afterwards i was so tired
that i slept for an hour (it was like my spirit was so exhausted,in my sleep i felt
like i was gonna go out of my body) and i was attracting other type of people.

Like attracts like.Period.

When i see people in the gym that cant complete gym programs feeling that
their legs are so weak i am sure that the same day they fapped or had sex.

Nofap is great. And to the people that say fapping is good for the forever alone
i say that by the time they use the word''forever alone'' they lost it.
Its all about self putting limitations.

Nofap is a great way to gain self confidence and accomplish more things.


Hi, nofap = does it mean no masturbation? Or masturbation without orgasm?

Does anyone experience while he was not masturbating that he had orgasm in his sleep? If I'm not having any kind of "cumming" (mainly in sex) for more than 10 days / 2 weeks - it happens to me during my sleep it makes me waking up |wet", or if it doesn't happen that way, it even happens to me while I just need (and sorry for the "too much information" in that post), while I'm going to pee, some semen is going out before - it is quite weird, but maybe it means that it should go out naturally once in 10-14 days? Anybody experienced  such a thing?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  irfoc on Sun Apr 06, 2014 10:03 pm

sanderson, wait a month and then you'll truly realize how strong does sexual activity affects our lives. I'm now over 2 months off, believe me that nofap makes a huge difference not only in terms of hair loss. I described all this in one of my posts.
You've also asked about decreasing anxiety. My answer would be: cortisol.

I've repeated that in a few topics: people underestimate that factor and are often angry about the idea of abstaining, because they're simply addicted or very used to sex/fap and they cannot imagine life without them... I have to say that the worst thing for me was that the "real" scientists have been always repeating that masturbation is completely healthy and normal. NO, IT'S NOT. When I was a teenager, I believed in this sh*t about "healthy fap", but now it just makes me sick and I'd like to know WHY all these scientists repeat such a fairy tale. Does somebody want to make us more stupid (problems with concentration and memory etc.), anxious, chronically tired and sluggish?

Dannyboy, the reaction of your body is completely normal. Your body is still used to producing more semen that it'd need naturally, so it excrets the surplus. After longer abstinence nocturnal emmissions will appear less and less often.

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Post  BelieveInIt on Sun Apr 06, 2014 11:24 pm

irfoc wrote: Does somebody want to make us more stupid (problems with concentration and memory etc.), anxious, chronically tired and sluggish?

exactly, because this way they create hordes of insecure, pacifistic losers that are willing to pay up for the cure and focus on unimportant things in life.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  yup on Mon Apr 07, 2014 1:54 am

Dannyboy wrote:
yup wrote:I masturbated at day 86 of my nofap streak and now i am on 110 days.
So i did it once in 110 days.

Hair loss is non existant to be honest.

What was interesting is that when i fapped afterwards i was so tired
that i slept for an hour (it was like my spirit was so exhausted,in my sleep i felt
like i was gonna go out of my body) and i was attracting other type of people.

Like attracts like.Period.

When i see people in the gym that cant complete gym programs feeling that
their legs are so weak i am sure that the same day they fapped or had sex.

Nofap is great. And to the people that say fapping is good for the forever alone
i say that by the time they use the word''forever alone'' they lost it.
Its all about self putting limitations.

Nofap is a great way to gain self confidence and accomplish more things.


Hi, nofap = does it mean no masturbation? Or masturbation without orgasm?

Does anyone experience while he was not masturbating that he had orgasm in his sleep? If I'm not having any kind of "cumming" (mainly in sex) for more than 10 days / 2 weeks - it happens to me during my sleep it makes me waking up |wet", or if it doesn't happen that way, it even happens to me while I just need (and sorry for the "too much information" in that post), while I'm going to pee, some semen is going out before - it is quite weird, but maybe it means that it should go out naturally once in 10-14 days? Anybody experienced  such a thing?

No fap is No PMO=Porn masturbation orgasm.

It can include sex .When you dont have sex or edging the dudes call this nofap hardmode.Whatever...

Yeah when it comes in your sleep ,i know it sucks,but its normal.Its natural .
Or it is a sign that you have a build up .This build up is of neutral nature.
You can use it for creative things(friends,girls,relationships etc)... or for the opposite .It depends on you.
Energy in the body is being used in various ways.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairy Potter on Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:05 am

For me, no jerking gives me waaaaaaaay more confidence in front of people. It's a joke how different a man becomes when he abstains from sex / jerking off.

It's funny you know, a thing that would cause me anxiety before, I want to run up to that same situation now, tear it's face off and pee down its throat before it has a chance to even look at me sideways, and then walk away with a smile on my face.

That's not macho talk either - I'm not a macho kinda guy. After so many years of being raped by anxiety, I'm not taking it anymore.

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Post  Dannyboy on Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:11 am

Hairy Potter wrote:For me, no jerking gives me waaaaaaaay more confidence in front of people. It's a joke how different a man becomes when he abstains from sex / jerking off.

It's funny you know, a thing that would cause me anxiety before, I want to run up to that same situation now, tear it's face off and pee down its throat before it has a chance to even look at me sideways, and then walk away with a smile on my face.

That's not macho talk either - I'm not a macho kinda guy. After so many years of being raped by anxiety, I'm not taking it anymore.

Didn't understand much of what you meant to say Hairy Potter, Shame I'm not american Smile

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Post  Hairy Potter on Mon Apr 07, 2014 5:57 am

Dannyboy wrote:
Hairy Potter wrote:For me, no jerking gives me waaaaaaaay more confidence in front of people. It's a joke how different a man becomes when he abstains from sex / jerking off.

It's funny you know, a thing that would cause me anxiety before, I want to run up to that same situation now, tear it's face off and pee down its throat before it has a chance to even look at me sideways, and then walk away with a smile on my face.

That's not macho talk either - I'm not a macho kinda guy. After so many years of being raped by anxiety, I'm not taking it anymore.

Didn't understand much of what you meant to say Hairy Potter, Shame I'm not american Smile

Ha ha - I'm not American either. Basically, nofap = much more confidence. But then you probably already knew that  Very Happy 

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:05 am

irfoc wrote:sanderson, wait a month and then you'll truly realize how strong does sexual activity affects our lives. I'm now over 2 months off, believe me that nofap makes a huge difference not only in terms of hair loss. I described all this in one of my posts.
You've also asked about decreasing anxiety. My answer would be: cortisol.

I've repeated that in a few topics: people underestimate that factor and are often angry about the idea of abstaining, because they're simply addicted or very used to sex/fap and they cannot imagine life without them... I have to say that the worst thing for me was that the "real" scientists have been always repeating that masturbation is completely healthy and normal. NO, IT'S NOT. When I was a teenager, I believed in this sh*t about "healthy fap", but now it just makes me sick and I'd like to know WHY all these scientists repeat such a fairy tale. Does somebody want to make us more stupid (problems with concentration and memory etc.), anxious, chronically tired and sluggish?

Dannyboy, the reaction of your body is completely normal. Your body is still used to producing more semen that it'd need naturally, so it excrets the surplus. After longer abstinence nocturnal emmissions will appear less and less often.

FAURKKK... dude you are so on point. wow. i'm honestly a little shocked that I didn't really connect the dots in my brain before, maybe too deep into addiction? you know addicts, they tend to backwards rationalize and say things to themselves and start believing it. i read a report about how herioin addicts talk about how they won't let their lives get out of hand and they will just keep doing it, but then they start depending on it, but they are not thinking rationally.

yeah i'm definetely all in hard mode right now for 100 days i've told myself. i have serious issues in my health that needs fixing and just the fact that abstaining for a couple of days makes a huge difference, that's in, i'm all in.

i've known about this for a while.. i just never really went all out and looked into it. for some reason, this just clicked in my brain the other day when i was feeling incredibly depressed. it was like, well i know that it helps me feel better, i might as well give it a try since i have no other things that i haven't tried at this point to feel better health.

have you done any other research into this or saw a connection to hairloss?

why isn't this thread blowing up? multiple people talking about how hairloss has completely HALTED with no masturbation. hello?? lol. all over reddit saying the same thing, and me saying the same thing.

i bought orthic glandular, it is bovine testicles in supplement form.. i'm hoping it contains some nutrients to revitalize what has been done to damage. i'm also considering prostate glandular (to repair 5ar enzymes damaged by finasteride) and maybe kidney glandular as well. not sure if these actually do anything to be honest.. but i've read online when you eat the organs, it goes directly to the organs because mammals share the same chemical composition or something along those lines...
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Mon Apr 07, 2014 6:58 am

Contribution of dihydrotestosterone to male sexual behaviour.

OBJECTIVE--To document the relative importance of endogenous sex steroids in modulating the frequency of orgasms, the dominant aspect of sexual behaviour in healthy eugonadal men. DESIGN--Measurement of adrenal and testicular sex steroids in a sample of army recruits and study of their relation to frequency of orgasms ascertained by questionnaire after potential confounding variables were controlled for. SETTING--Military campus and military hospital laboratories in Athens, Greece. SUBJECTS--92 consecutively enrolled healthy male recruits aged 18-22 years. MAIN OUTCOME MEASURES--Weekly number of orgasms. Serum concentrations of testosterone, dehydroepiandrosterone sulphate, dihydrotestosterone, oestradiol, oestrone, delta-4-androstenedione, and sex hormone binding globulin. RESULTS--Serum dihydrotestosterone concentration was the only independent hormonal predictor of the frequency of orgasms; an increase in concentration of 1.36 nmol/l (about 2 SD) corresponded to an average increase of one orgasm a week. CONCLUSIONS--Differences in concentrations of circulating dihydrotestosterone within the normal range may represent a major predictor of sexual activity in healthy young men.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2549675/
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  irfoc on Tue Apr 08, 2014 1:07 am

sanderson wrote:
have you done any other research into this or saw a connection to hairloss?

Yes, after about a month of abstaining I saw a few first blonde strands on my hairline. I wasn't quite sure at first whether it were the first sings of regrowth or just some remainings of lost hair. Luckily, my hair is regrowing and now there are maany new hair on my hairline and even a few in a bald areas. Again, you'll find all my observations along with my regimen in my posts.
To be honest I don't look for any reasearches on hair loss. I'm here to fight my hair loss, not to get a PhD on biology Smile.
I just knew that masturbation makes a huge different for me and that is why I left it. I don't need any scientific data to have it accurately justified. Masturbation is just a waste of time, health and energy.

sanderson wrote:
why isn't this thread blowing up? multiple people talking about how hairloss has completely HALTED with no masturbation. hello?? lol. all over reddit saying the same thing, and me saying the same thing.

Because you need months to verify that and there are just few people, who give a try. For many it's too tough self-sacrifice to go through, let's say, 6-month abstinence. Another reason may be that all you need is to... wait. I think that some guys believe only in very complicated and expensive regimens and when they see one of these they say with admiration: "wow, impressive regimen you have". Nowadays people want everything fast... That is why many balding guys prefer to pour some chemicals on their heads and get "regrowth" (temporary) in one month, rather than live a healthy live and wait a year for real effects.

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Post  CaptainGiggles on Tue Apr 08, 2014 3:45 am

I'm pretty active on r/nofap and this past september successfully completed a 221 day no ejaculation streak. My severe diffuse thinning was the main reason why i started in the first place. Other than superhuman confidence, I noticed a hugely marked reduction in shedding. I wish I had started DT back then, maybe my results would've been way better.
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Post  egodust on Wed Apr 09, 2014 2:50 am

sanderson wrote:
why isn't this thread blowing up? multiple people talking about how hairloss has completely HALTED with no masturbation. hello?? lol. all over reddit saying the same thing, and me saying the same thing.

My longest streak on NoFap has been 366 days and it isn't that simple, my massive hair loss issues started during
NoFap - the real problems will always be liver, thyroid, gut, hormone balance.

PMO is bad for hairloss but doesn't cause hair loss:

Zinc suppresses DHT via 5AR activity
NO capillary walls inflated and 'damaged' (in the right way, causing sheer stress), NO is used up in erections
Prolactin spikes are bad for insulin response and increases 5AR activity
Dopamine spikes cause hair to enter catagen the phase
Enlarged prostate (high DHT, high estrogen) outputs a lot more

If you are unhealthy and your hair doesn't grow properly, then PMO is probably one of the worst things you could
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Post  AS54 on Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:09 am

egodust wrote:If you are unhealthy and your hair doesn't grow properly, then PMO is probably one of the worst things you could
be doing.

Totally agree on this one. I'm not even concrete on how I feel about it's effects on hair loss, but I feel there are plenty of other massively significant issues with chronic PMO, enough
to justify stopping it entirely. I do not feel the same way about general masturbation (w/out porn), but I do think we could all probably stand to do it a little less. As someone who has
had problems with addictive tendencies and porn, I know for a fact that a normal masturbation habit is a different ball game than one requiring habitually using porn.
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Post  BelieveInIt on Wed Apr 09, 2014 3:16 am

AS54 wrote:
egodust wrote:If you are unhealthy and your hair doesn't grow properly, then PMO is probably one of the worst things you could
be doing.

Totally agree on this one. I'm not even concrete on how I feel about it's effects on hair loss, but I feel there are plenty of other massively significant issues with chronic PMO, enough
to justify stopping it entirely. I do not feel the same way about general masturbation (w/out porn), but I do think we could all probably stand to do it a little less. As someone who has
had problems with addictive tendencies and porn, I know for a fact that a normal masturbation habit is a different ball game than one requiring habitually using porn.


a big psychological difference between using porn or not is that if you jerk off to porn you develop a habit of timing your orgasm to the part that excites you the most, controlling the computer at the same time while jerking off. so where it should olny be you and your libido (and maybe a woman) it's the computer that plays a huge part and is your guide.

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Post  champ on Thu Apr 10, 2014 6:34 am

I agree with a lot of you. Fap/PMO is terrible.

It's always affected me negatively, and thank God I was able to throw this shit out for good last year. Some positives I've noticed:

Harder to gain body fat despite eating a high calorie diet.

Need less sleep in the night.

Confidence, and a desire to get things done.

As for for hair loss...I've yet to see regrowth. But it's looking good. Haven't had experienced loss for a long time, though (since improving health)


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Post  stresssucks on Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:05 am

If my constant bumping of this thread annoys anyone, sorry.

I'm just trying to collect all of the accounts to maybe provide motivation..since this is tough.

Every few days I look and see if anyone new has posted about hair loss. It's amazing how often someone posts about it slowing/stopping/thickening:

This guy is only on a 10 day streak:

"I think that my hair loss has decreased a bit, I don't feel that male patern baldness itch on the top of my scalp anymore."

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Post  stresssucks on Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:10 am

30 dayer:

"Hair loss stopped and hair is no more rough and dry .dandruff reduced drastically. I AM HAPPY Smile"

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Post  stresssucks on Thu Apr 17, 2014 7:21 am

Interesting read:

http://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/comments/1su62h/physical_impacts_of_fapping/

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Post  Dannyboy on Thu Apr 17, 2014 8:42 am

So it's actually recommended to avoid sex life for months even for a whole year? Also avoiding porn or getting any sexual stimulation...
I stopped JO quite long ago, but now I'm also afraid to get horny in any kind of way, or to have sex since this thread..=)

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Post  BelieveInIt on Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:20 am

Dannyboy wrote:So it's actually recommended to avoid sex life for months even for a whole year? Also avoiding porn or getting any sexual stimulation...
I stopped JO quite long ago, but now I'm also afraid to get horny in any kind of way, or to have sex since this thread..=)

no offense but i think this kind of thinking pattern is WAY more harmful for your character and your hair, than getting aroused or even jerking it once a week.

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Post  stresssucks on Thu Apr 17, 2014 9:24 am

I agree. Fuck if I'm giving up sex.

I think it's smart to stop watching porn and stop masturbating...but if you give up sex you are missing out on an awesome aspect of life. I'd rather be bald and have sex than be celibate with a full head of hair. Which is why I won't even consider propecia.

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