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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Misirlou on Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:32 pm

Do we have a high quality study proving that semen production is minimized when ejaculation is minimized? From what I've heard, the production is still ongoing, meaning that the unused semen is actually broken down in the testicles. Then remade. Then broken down etc.

Hopefully less ejaculation equals lowered production load...but I just want it scientifically proven rather then spun out of broscience. No offense.

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Post  focuspoint on Sun Apr 19, 2015 1:15 am

I have found one related study:

Effect of long abstinence periods on human sperm quality

Results: Lengthy sexual abstinence was found to affect all semen characteristics. Semen volume and concentration and total sperm count showed significant increases, whereas motility and normal morphology decreased significantly with duration of abstinence. Significant changes in the percentage of normal sperm forms were observed after more than seven days' abstinence.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  MikeGore on Sun Jun 07, 2015 11:10 pm

I'd like to ask to fellow posters here, a question.

The relationship between masturbation and hair loss has already been discussed. But what about lustfulness and hair loss. Do you think there is a connection?

Often times there is this social perspective, that people with baldness have a high sex drive. But perhaps not only is it that, but could it be that balding men are also more lustful? Masturbation nor ejaculation need not to take place for lust to cause damage to the body and hair follicles.

How many of you here would say that you are lustful? You may not be masturbating, but still experience a lot of sexual thoughts during the day.

It is interesting to note, from a spiritual perspective, that those with long lustrous healthy hair who are chaste, are considered to have a lot of strong sexual energy inside them. But when this sexual energy is lost through fantasy or masturbation, the sexual energy diminishes, with it causing all sorts of ailments. Interestingly, such people are symbolized with weak hair, hair loss and balding.

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Post  Hairbeback on Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:33 am

hmmmm

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Post  SonofOdin on Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:32 am

So last night, for whatever reason I thought to myself, 'I really shouldn't fap tonight'. I'm not sure why I thought this but anyway, I did it anyway. Had an overly large orgasm(sry if this is getting tmi) and felt hella exhausted afterwards. I woke up in the morning, my mpb itch is back, a few strands of long hair have fallen out... I don't know if this is a coincidence or what. I'm going to try to take this no fap thing seriously, I'm just still sketchy on if it is a good idea to do this long term, or if I need to do intermittent fapping Laughing
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Post  johndoe1225 on Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:35 am

SonofOdin wrote:and felt hella exhausted afterwards.

I hate that, I've been trying to abstain for awhile now, fell off the wagon many times, trying to go for at the very least 9 days at a time now to get started

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  TheDivineMarquis on Sun Jun 14, 2015 8:31 pm

How many of you here believe now that after ejaculation you will lose some hair?
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Post  SonofOdin on Sun Jun 14, 2015 9:35 pm

I've been a huge skeptic in the past. Now I'm convinced just enough, to stop fapping, but it's not something I'm certain about.

However it does make sense that, once a man has spread enough of his seed, he has pretty much fulfilled his purpose in life. Do chronic fappers age quicker, I wonder?
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Post  TheDivineMarquis on Sun Jun 14, 2015 10:37 pm

SonofOdin wrote:I've been a huge skeptic in the past. Now I'm convinced just enough, to stop fapping, but it's not something I'm certain about.

However it does make sense that, once a man has spread enough of his seed, he has pretty much fulfilled his purpose in life. Do chronic fappers age quicker, I wonder?


I know a lot of "chronic fappers" who have great hair, so... The problem with this theory is that it simply states that ejaculation is bad for hair; so the logical next step would be to stop it or minimize it - but what exactly is "excessive masturbation"? Is it to masturbate daily, weekly? What seems for me to be the most problematic about this method is that it consists on stop being a sexual being.
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Post  AgapeBerry on Thu Jun 18, 2015 12:36 pm

TheDivineMarquis wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:I've been a huge skeptic in the past. Now I'm convinced just enough, to stop fapping, but it's not something I'm certain about.

However it does make sense that, once a man has spread enough of his seed, he has pretty much fulfilled his purpose in life. Do chronic fappers age quicker, I wonder?


I know a lot of "chronic fappers" who have great hair, so... The problem with this theory is that it simply states that ejaculation is bad for hair; so the logical next step would be to stop it or minimize it - but what exactly is "excessive masturbation"? Is it to masturbate daily, weekly? What seems for me to be the most problematic about this method is that it consists on stop being a sexual being.

It's not that it's necessarily bad for the hair, but it is expelling energy/resources. This could be bad for one person's hair and trivial for another's. The way I see it is that it's only likely to help in dealing with my loss. It might have negligible effects in that regard or it might push me to regrowth as so many people have reported, either way I see many other benefits from doing it too, the least of which is simply self-control. Being a sexual person doesn't necessarily mean you are controlled by your lust, I think that alone is a great thing to get a handle on.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Thu Jun 18, 2015 2:28 pm

TheDivineMarquis wrote:How many of you here believe now that after ejaculation you will lose some hair?

it without a doubt increases the "itch" for me or it will bring an itch about. in reality.. it actually makes me more sensitive to foods i guess you could say. if i eat a cheeseburger with nofap for 30 days, no itch, if i eat a cheeseburger after day of fapping, itch will be there.

however.. the itch goes down.. the loss though still seems to be there for me. it's hard to say what is happening. you could be losing hair because your hair is going through a cycle, i dont know. but the itch is gone.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Franklin' on Fri Jun 19, 2015 8:46 am

TheDivineMarquis wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:I've been a huge skeptic in the past. Now I'm convinced just enough, to stop fapping, but it's not something I'm certain about.

However it does make sense that, once a man has spread enough of his seed, he has pretty much fulfilled his purpose in life. Do chronic fappers age quicker, I wonder?


I know a lot of "chronic fappers" who have great hair, so... The problem with this theory is that it simply states that ejaculation is bad for hair; so the logical next step would be to stop it or minimize it - but what exactly is "excessive masturbation"? Is it to masturbate daily, weekly? What seems for me to be the most problematic about this method is that it consists on stop being a sexual being.

Definitely getting the itch in the receding/thinning regions. Also a way oilier scalp and more zits.

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Post  Xenon on Sun Jun 21, 2015 5:20 am

TheDivineMarquis wrote:
SonofOdin wrote:I've been a huge skeptic in the past. Now I'm convinced just enough, to stop fapping, but it's not something I'm certain about.

However it does make sense that, once a man has spread enough of his seed, he has pretty much fulfilled his purpose in life. Do chronic fappers age quicker, I wonder?


I know a lot of "chronic fappers" who have great hair, so... The problem with this theory is that it simply states that ejaculation is bad for hair; so the logical next step would be to stop it or minimize it - but what exactly is "excessive masturbation"? Is it to masturbate daily, weekly? What seems for me to be the most problematic about this method is that it consists on stop being a sexual being.

Yes, it appears that masturbating has no effect on some, whereas it does others. For me, personally there is absolutely no doubt in my mind, that if I fap in excess, then my temples and vertex become inflamed, and soon after, I start to experience thinning. The debate is open as to why it has this effect on certain men... I'm inclined to think that it might be causing increased DHT and triggering of a baldness gene, but, whatever the situation, it definitely leads to temple recession for me.
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Post  irfoc on Tue Jun 23, 2015 11:10 pm

I've abstained from sex (no porn, masturbation, sex etc.) for about one and a half month. I want to try it for at least one year. To be honest, it's easy for me now to continue Smile
I thought I could start a topic in which I could post images of my scalp every month.
Is anyone interested? What do you think guys? Is it worth posting?
Because there are so many theoretical argues on the subject on forums and so least real long-term experiments...
Please forgive me any mistakes, my English is not perfect Smile

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Post  gorilla_power on Wed Jun 24, 2015 1:25 am

Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days.
The secret is to be aware of yourself while watching porn and begin to masturbate.
Cause when i did this,the last time i realised how disgusting porn is and how it is a STIMULANT.
Yep i knew that it was a stimulant,but this time i REALISED IT.
The same way i dont drink coffee,i dont want to stimulate my adrenals by artificial means!
I got this,and now i dont give a fuck(no pun intended lol) about porn.

Porn and masturbation raises our blood pressure,generll pressure so some experience
inflammation in an ALREADY pressurized enviroment of their body.

So if you have a ''hunger about porn'' then watch but BEGIN TO BE AWARE OF WHATS GOING ON.
Only conscious action will liberate you.
If you do this,then do it relaxedwith no pressure .Just relax.
Like if you would eat a crappy food like bread,then masticate it slowly and thoroughly so
it does minimal damage.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Billa on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:31 am

gorilla_power wrote:Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days.
did your hairloss slowdown or stop completely after no fapping for 10mth? and do you see regrowth?
i find it hard not to masturbate even for 1wk, how you managed to do it for 10mth.

how you distract yourself from not fapping and watching porn...


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Post  johndoe1225 on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:33 am

Billa wrote:
gorilla_power wrote:Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days. /quote]
did your hairloss slowdown or stop completely after no fapping for 10mth? and do you see regrowth?
i find it hard not to masturbate even for 1wk, how you managed to do it for 10mth.

how you distract yourself from not fapping and watching porn...

There's a ton of benefits besides hair health. Also, I find I had the most success when I did not do it for at least a week, then it becomes MUCH easier. Of course the hard part is going for a week Very Happy

Try thinking of something disgusting?

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Post  Billa on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:36 am

johndoe1225 wrote:
Billa wrote:
gorilla_power wrote:Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days. /quote]
did your hairloss slowdown or stop completely after no fapping for 10mth? and do you see regrowth?
i find it hard not to masturbate even for 1wk, how you managed to do it for 10mth.

how you distract yourself from not fapping and watching porn...

There's a ton of benefits besides hair health. Also, I find I had the most success when I did not do it for at least a week, then it becomes MUCH easier. Of course the hard part is going for a week Very Happy

Try thinking of something disgusting?

so you manage to stop your hairloss? and see regrowth?
any progress photo you can share before and after 10 mth not fapping.

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Post  johndoe1225 on Wed Jun 24, 2015 8:13 am

Billa wrote:
johndoe1225 wrote:
Billa wrote:
gorilla_power wrote:Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days. /quote]
did your hairloss slowdown or stop completely after no fapping for 10mth? and do you see regrowth?
i find it hard not to masturbate even for 1wk, how you managed to do it for 10mth.

how you distract yourself from not fapping and watching porn...

There's a ton of benefits besides hair health. Also, I find I had the most success when I did not do it for at least a week, then it becomes MUCH easier. Of course the hard part is going for a week Very Happy

Try thinking of something disgusting?

so you manage to stop your hairloss? and see regrowth?
any progress photo you can share before and after 10 mth not fapping.

No the most I've managed to go so far is 2 weeks before binging, but it's REALLY starting to piss me off now, so I think this will change immediately.

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Post  Xenon on Wed Jun 24, 2015 9:13 am

I agree with gorilla - it's all about thought control, or more aptly - awareness of thoughts. You only get the desire to fap when you first have sexual thoughts about a hot lady, then you start checking out porn, and, well, back to square one again.

If you remain aware of your thoughts, instead of going into auto pilot, you can immediately break the chain of thought by affixing your mind on something else.
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Post  irfoc on Wed Jun 24, 2015 7:22 pm

gorilla_power wrote:Absatining from fapping is definitely beneficial .Havedone for 10 months like and then i ws masturbating once in 40 or 60 days.

Oh, so you're masturbating during that time... Why?
Has anyone in this topic tried "hard mode" for more than 100 days?

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Post  Billa on Thu Jun 25, 2015 12:58 am

irfoc wrote:
Oh, so you're masturbating during that time... Why?
Has anyone in this topic tried "hard mode" for more than 100 days?

maybe we should set up a 100days challenge and commit to it.
at least doing in a group urge you to achieve the goal.

we will count down from day one onward, will start the challenge from tomorrow onward till 4/09.
what you guys says?

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Post  sanderson on Sun Jun 28, 2015 3:30 pm

Dopamine is a novel, direct inducer of catagen in human scalp hair follicles in vitro.

Abstract
BACKGROUND:

Although there are clinical reports of hair loss associated with levodopa and dopamine agonists, it is unclear whether dopamine exerts any direct effects on the human hair follicle (HF).
OBJECTIVES:

Given the widespread use of dopamine agonists and antagonists in clinical medicine, we sought to determine whether dopamine exerts direct effects on human HF growth and/or pigmentation in vitro, and whether human HFs express dopamine receptors (DRs).
METHODS:

Microdissected human scalp HFs from women were treated in serum-free organ culture for 7 days with dopamine (10-1000 nmol L ), and the effects on hair shaft production, HF cycling (i.e. anagen-catagen transition), hair matrix keratinocyte proliferation and apoptosis, and HF pigmentation were measured by quantitative (immuno-) histomorphometry.
RESULTS:

Dopamine had no consistent effect on hair shaft production, but did promote HF regression (catagen). It was also associated with significantly reduced proliferation of HF matrix keratinocytes (P < 001) and reduced intrafollicular melanin production. Dopamine receptor transcripts were identified in HFs and skin.
CONCLUSIONS:

These data provide evidence that dopamine is an inhibitor of human hair growth, via the promotion of catagen induction, at least in vitro. This may offer a rational explanation for the induction of telogen effluvium in some women treated with dopamine agonists such as bromocriptine. Moreover, dopaminergic agonists deserve further exploration as novel inhibitors of unwanted human hair growth (hirsutism, hypertrichosis).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23176199
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Post  lamka on Sun Jun 28, 2015 8:14 pm

sanderson wrote:Dopamine is a novel, direct inducer of catagen in human scalp hair follicles in vitro.



These data provide evidence that dopamine is an inhibitor of human hair growth, via the promotion of catagen induction, at least in vitro. This may offer a rational explanation for the induction of telogen effluvium in some women treated with dopamine agonists such as bromocriptine. Moreover, dopaminergic agonists deserve further exploration as novel inhibitors of unwanted human hair growth (hirsutism, hypertrichosis).
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/23176199

Sanderson, glad you find out this. But I have posted the same study few months earlier in tobacco thread. It is likely more issue of dopamine receptors than dopamine itself. Masturbation makes your dopamine receptors less sensitive. Google for it : https://www.google.cz/#q=masturbation+dopamine+receptors

This is one of the reasons smokers have usually better hair than nonsmokers. Look into the mechanisms:





Exposure to nicotine produces an increase in dopamine D2(High) receptors: a possible mechanism for dopamine hypersensitivity.

Dopamine D2 receptors exist in both low- and high-affinity states (D2(High)), the latter being the functionally relevant state. Cocaine self-administration produces an increase in D2(High), a phenomenon that could explain why cocaine administration results in hypersensitivity to dopamine, even though drug addicts were found to have a decreased number of striatal dopamine D2 receptors. As nicotine acts through the same mesocortical dopaminergic signaling pathways as other stimulant drugs, which are known to increase the levels of D2(High), we hypothesized that nicotine exposure could produce an increase in D2(High) levels. We determined D2(High) levels in rats after nicotine administration (1.5 mg/kg/day; 14 days), in rats voluntarily self-administering nicotine using an intravenous self-administration (IVSA) protocol (mean dose 0.5 mg/kg/day; 14 days), as well as after a prolonged withdrawal. An increase in the levels of D2(High) was found in rats who had nicotine administered at a uniform dose, as well as in rats who self-administered nicotine via IVSA, but these changes appear to normalize over time, as indicated by lower D2(High) levels in rats after a prolonged withdrawal period. We suggest that nicotine-induced elevation in D2(High) levels could be participating in hypersensitivity to dopamine following nicotine exposure.

Aromatase inhibitors in cigarette smoke, tobacco leaves and other plants.
Abstract
A chance observation that cigarette smoke interferes with the aromatase assay led us to investigate tobacco leaf and smoke extracts for the presence of aromatase inhibitors. The highest inhibitory activity was found in the basic fraction of cigarette smoke. Further purification of this fraction led to the identification of N-n-octanoylnornicotine. Synthesis and testing of a series of acylated nornicotines and anabasines for their ability to inhibit aromatase showed an interesting correlation of activity with the length of the acyl carbon chain, with maximum activity at C-11. The acylated derivatives showed activity which was significantly greater than that of nicotine and anabasine. In vivo studies in rats indicated that administration of this inhibitor delayed the onset of NMU-induced breast carcinoma and altered the estrus cycle. These in vivo studies suggest that tobacco alkaloid derivatives exert their effects by suppression of the aromatase enzyme system. Toxicity studies indicated relatively low toxicity with LD50 for N-n-octanoylnornicotine = 367 mg/kg body weight. When extracts from thirty five varieties of vegetables, plant leaves, and fruits were analyzed, seventeen showed quantitatively significant aromatase inhibition which was comparable to that of green tobacco leaf, suggesting that naturally occurring substances may affect endocrine function through aromatase inhibition.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/2098524

Nicotine has a few mechanisms at its roots. The first is that nicotine mimics the neurotransmitter acetylcholine and can directly activate acetylcholine receptors (which can then induce increases of catecholamines such as adrenaline a dopamine; this mechanism underlies both potential addiction and fat burning). Nicotine may also act as an anti-estrogenic compound, inhibiting aromatase and one of the two estrogen receptors directly; this may underlie some of the side-effects associated with chronic usage of nicotine, particularly in women. Finally, nicotine is pro-oxidative in nature but at a level which may be hormetic in nature, that works with the acetylcholine mechanism just mentioned to exert anti-inflammatory effects.

Nicotine appears to have a role as a fat burner due to its mechanisms, which for the most part increase adrenaline and then work through beta-adrenergic receptors (the molecular target of Ephedrine); this increase in adrenaline mediates the increase in metabolic rate which is significant but short-lived with moderate usage. The increase in lipolysis (how available fatty acids are to be burnt) appears to be mediated by other, possibly pro-oxidative, mechanisms and not by adrenaline.

This increase in catecholamines also underlies many benefits of nicotine on Cognition (attention and focus mainly) while the acetylcholine mimicking may promote a Nootropic effect inherently.

http://examine.com/supplements/Nicotine/ - there is an insane reasearch on nicotine and its effects.

Schizophrenia and smoking
Current theory focuses on the role of dopamine in schizophrenia, particularly how negative symptoms such as social withdrawal and apathy may be caused by a deficiency of dopamine in the prefrontal cortex while positive symptoms such as delusions and hallucinations may be caused by excess dopamine in the mesolimbic pathway. Nicotine increases release of dopamine, so it is hypothesized that smoking helps correct dopamine deficiency in the prefrontal cortex and thus relieve negative symptoms
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia_and_smoking#cite_note-Keltner-2[/quote]

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t10550p15-health-benefits-of-smoking?highlight=smoking the whole thread

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Post  lamka on Mon Jun 29, 2015 12:41 am

I am sorry I have copied more than I wanted. The quote about aromatase has nothing to do with this thread.

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