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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  johndoe1225 on Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:10 am

Changexpert wrote:The common term we use for this syndrome is dopamine resistance, similar to a concept of insulin resistance. This is easily indicated by searching for new porn, rather than keep masturbating to only one porn repeatedly.

Good point, this is IMO the scariest part.

I remember once on the Big Bang Theory where Raj says something to the effect of "be by myself tonight and download increasingly shameful porn". And that's actually true

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Post  stresssucks on Sun Jul 05, 2015 8:19 am

I think Roddy/Pear are pro-dopamine because it inhibits prolactin.

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Post  Changexpert on Sun Jul 05, 2015 9:46 am

stresssucks wrote:I think Roddy/Pear are pro-dopamine because it inhibits prolactin.
And masturbation/intercourse increases prolactin level. It would be ironic to believe that momentary dopamine surge would help a with prolonged increase in prolactin level.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11835982
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16095799
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Post  stresssucks on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:36 am

So are you saying it would be best to watch porn and not masturbate? dopamine surge with no prolactin?

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Post  Changexpert on Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:50 am

stresssucks wrote:So are you saying it would be best to watch porn and not masturbate? dopamine surge with no prolactin?
Sure, go for it if you think dopamine resistance is going to help you in the long run.
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Post  irfoc on Tue Jul 28, 2015 7:11 pm

TheDivineMarquis wrote:Everytime I try to go more than one week without ejaculation, I tend to get more easily stressed, depressed and anxious. I dont think this works well for everyone. In terms of hair, Ive been 3 weeks holding it and didnt notice any difference - I dont think sperm contention can regrow hair but, maybe, it can help stop further hair loss progression.

That stress and anxiety pass after a while... And then you feel very calm, your mind will be clear. You just need time. Ppl are so impatient concerning nofap..

3 weeks? I saw first signs of regrowth after 1,5 month (I'm 22 yrs old).

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Post  Xenon on Sat Dec 10, 2016 11:17 pm

I just thought I'd resurrect this thread because last night I experimented with fapping to find out just how much inflammation was caused. To keep it short: about 4 mins in I started to feel some mild inflammation in my lower right temple, which then progressed upwards. At this point I couldn't feel any inflammation in my left temple, until another 2 mins in. Just like the right temple, the inflammation began to manifest in the lower left temple, then progressed upwards. So inflammation occurs regardless of ejaculation. It should also be noted that the inflammation wasn't that bad, and did subside quite quickly afterwards, but, no doubt, if this was done multiple times per day, then inflammatory probs would worsen and follicles would be under continuous attack.

No doubt about it, excessive fapping can be a significant contributory factor in hairloss.

Edited: I forgot to mention something else I noticed; not only did the temples start to inflame, but also the outer areas of my eyebrows. Interestingly, these areas have thinned pretty significantly over the years, so inflammation from excessive fap has likely caused this.
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Post  Schitz Popinov on Sun Dec 11, 2016 3:02 am

From my teen years on into the start of my early 20's I was pretty depressed and to be honest abused fapping. To this day I wonder how much damage I did to myself and my body's development.

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Post  Xenon on Sun Dec 11, 2016 6:25 am

Schitz Popinov wrote:From my teen years on into the start of my early 20's I was pretty depressed and to be honest abused fapping. To this day I wonder how much damage I did to myself and my body's development.

IDK if excess fapping could hinder bodily development, I just know that it somehow triggers inflammation in the temples and leads to thinning hair. Why it triggers inflammation specifically here is something I have never been certain of. I've thrown some theories around (as have others), but all I know is, it is definitely an inflammatory trigger.
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Post  Xenon on Mon Dec 12, 2016 8:29 am

Thought I'd just add: it's little wonder to me why I receded so damn young. First off, there was persistent inflammation from excess fapping; persistent inflammation from excessively combing these already inflamed areas (the temples); and persistent inflammation from mechanical overload (wearing tight hats and pillow compression). There are a couple more things that could be added to the list, but the aforementioned were the primary hair growth antagonists and inflammatory triggers.

Could hair be completely recovered if all of these problems are removed? I don't know, but what does give me hope is seeing alopecia areata sufferers recover their hair after many years or decades. And, if that Swiss Temples guy is legit, then this is even more encouraging.

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Post  imprisoned-radical on Mon Dec 12, 2016 3:15 pm

In my own experience, porn use is a lot like sugar consumption.

When in the habit of over-consuming sugar, you develop a tolerance and you gradually become numb to the effects. It's not until you abstain from it for some period of time and then re-expose yourself that you become aware of the "spike" that it tends to cause.


As the video shows, the key player in the reward system of our brain where we get that feeling of pleasure is dopamine. Dopamine receptors are all over our brain. And doing a drug like heroin brings on a deluge of dopamine.

Guess what happens when we eat sugar? Yes, those dopamine levels also surge though not nearly as much as they do with heroin.
link: http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2014/01/15/262741403/why-sugar-makes-us-feel-so-good

For some people, sugar consumption is not a problem. I think it's especially true for people who are in otherwise excellent health. It will vary on an individual basis. However if already in a state of compromised health (especially mental health), then dependency on sugar/porn/etc will contribute to the deterioration.

For me personally porn is more addictive than sugar. And the long-term damage of excessive pornography use takes longer to repair than the damage caused by excessive sugar consumption. In other words, the benefits of reducing sugar intake become noticeable much sooner.

It's worth noting that technology has made pornography immediately and easily accessible. I have only been completely successful at quitting porn when I halted my internet service for a 6-month period. Definitely noticed a tremendous increase in overall happiness during that time.

I hesitate to use the terms "relapse" and "getting back on the wagon". Obviously just over-dramatization on the part of reddit posters.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Mon Dec 12, 2016 7:23 pm

It's worth noting that technology has made pornography immediately and easily accessible. I have only been completely successful at quitting porn when I halted my internet service for a 6-month period. Definitely noticed a tremendous increase in overall happiness during that time.

Yes, definitely concur with your point. I think the remedy for this (although easier said than done) is to remain occupied with things that prevent sexual thoughts constantly flooding the brain. I really have to stop fapping or at least try limit it to the very rare occasion, otherwise I'll just remain on the boards discussing ideas, but yielding no results.

As I have mentioned before, I did achieve some minor (terminal) regrowth from months of abstinence, and it has happened each time I have abstained. Yet, this time I feel more optimistic about more terminal hair returning because, apart from the fap issue, my inflammatory issues are no longer a factor (largely due to increasing oxygen levels during sleep). Inflammation from fapping is the only persistent hair growth antagonist I suffer from, so I know what needs to be done.

Today will be the start of my abstinence streak, and I will aim for 6 months and see what happens in between. If results are faster and improved this time around, then I will continue.

P.S. I don't know if this is the same for everyone on here, but I observed, that even getting an erection sparks an inflammatory response in the balding zones of the scalp. It is very low grade, mind you, and you generally wouldn't notice it unless you were paying close attention, but it was still something I considered noteworthy for the benefit of hairloss research.
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Post  Xenon on Sat Dec 17, 2016 4:46 am

4th day of no fap, not even an erection because I've completely veered away from any sexual stimuli, and been conscious of my thoughts. No psychological come downs from drops in dopamine levels yet. Inflammation is a non-factor too, and feeling fine all around. I'm not going to give up this time, so I will see what the next 6 months to a year yields for me. First sign of regrowth I will document it via a high resolution video and continue. Even if I only achieve a few terminals within the 6 month time frame, I'll still continue because growth might start gathering pace beyond that. Also, considering I've done everything else to eliminate inflammation, if this experiment is a failure, then I may as well just throw in the towel and accept my NW2.5 status, and, perhaps, be grateful for managing to maintain that for the past 20 years.
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Post  Schitz Popinov on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:31 am

Xenon wrote:
Schitz Popinov wrote:From my teen years on into the start of my early 20's I was pretty depressed and to be honest abused fapping. To this day I wonder how much damage I did to myself and my body's development.

IDK if excess fapping could hinder bodily development, I just know that it somehow triggers inflammation in the temples and leads to thinning hair. Why it triggers inflammation specifically here is something I have never been certain of. I've thrown some theories around (as have others), but all I know is, it is definitely an inflammatory trigger.

I thought I read that it steals vital nutrients and interferes with many key processes if you're doing it constantly.

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Post  Xenon on Sat Dec 17, 2016 11:40 am

Schitz Popinov wrote:
Xenon wrote:
Schitz Popinov wrote:From my teen years on into the start of my early 20's I was pretty depressed and to be honest abused fapping. To this day I wonder how much damage I did to myself and my body's development.

IDK if excess fapping could hinder bodily development, I just know that it somehow triggers inflammation in the temples and leads to thinning hair. Why it triggers inflammation specifically here is something I have never been certain of. I've thrown some theories around (as have others), but all I know is, it is definitely an inflammatory trigger.

I thought I read that it steals vital nutrients and interferes with many key processes if you're doing it constantly.

Ah, that's a good point, Schitz. This slipped my mind because I was only focusing upon the inflammatory aspects within the scalp.
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Post  Xenon on Sun Dec 18, 2016 6:58 am

Day 5 update. The only reason I'm updating so early is because of recent changes (as of today). Scalp inflammation is at an uncontrollable all time high, so is it in my cheeks--like the prickly sensation you get when you have acne. I feel full of energy, and emotionally calm, but a strange feeling of dominance. It's hard to explain this, but I just feel like I have this increased physical strength in my muscles, and thus a more ballsy attitude. I can only think that the no fap has caused a huge spike in testosterone levels. If I do recall correctly, someone mentioned that T levels spike very high first 7 days of fap, then start to decline thereafter.
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Post  Xenon on Tue Dec 20, 2016 5:53 am

Day 6 (and final update now until I see regrowth or any other noteworthy changes): The intense bout of inflammation has now gone, and things have returned to normal. This might now indicate a decline in circulating enzyme 5 / testosterone levels.
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Post  sanderson on Sun Jan 01, 2017 7:07 am

Xenon wrote:Day 6 (and final update now until I see regrowth or any other noteworthy changes): The intense bout of inflammation has now gone, and things have returned to normal. This might now indicate a decline in circulating enzyme 5 / testosterone levels.

hi xenon have you had your vitamin D tested lately
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Post  Xenon on Sun Jan 01, 2017 11:48 pm

Nah, Sanderson, I've never had any bloods done.
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Post  sanderson on Tue Jan 03, 2017 2:40 pm

Xenon wrote:Nah, Sanderson, I've never had any bloods done.

i think you should check it dude. i relate to what you say in this post here, with the orgasm and itch. did you know post orgasm, your prolactin will go up. prolactin is suppressed via calcium and magnesium. magnesium cannot stay in place if aldosterone is high. aldosterone will go up if 1, not enough salt is consumed, and 2, if vitamin D is low. also thyroid is needed to keep magnesium in the body. i think there was some thread here about why homeless people had such good hair, you know, i am really starting to think vitamin D may be one of, if not the, most important aspect of hair loss...

has anyone here had vitamin D tested? can you post your level?

vit D gets complicated, it has co factors, k2, a, and e.
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Post  madmnota on Wed Jan 04, 2017 4:46 am

Just wanted to tell that I'm 100% positive, that masturbation plays important role in hair loss.

I noticed my hair gets a lot more oily, after ejaculation.

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Post  john3333 on Wed Jan 04, 2017 3:26 pm

The number 1 cause of hairloss is sleep deprivation. When I get good sleep I don't get the MPB itch. These past few days I haven't gotten the best sleep and I've noticed more hairs falling.
Sleep deprivation is partly caused by masturbating too late at night. I usually spend at least 30 minutes to reach one orgasm. I could spill my seed in one or two minutes if I really wanted to, but that isn't as fun. I've spent many nights to just masturbate. It causes the MPB itch, but sleep deprivation is worse.

I've not only become addicted to masturbation but to sleep deprivation and I'm still trying to kick these addictions. Masturbation is easy to stop, but when I'm tired from lack of sleep I masturbate to get some energy and then I don't want to stop masturbating.
Most of my childhood, I'd always try to stay up as late as I could. I'd even wait for my parents to fall sleep so I can turn back the TV. I've always slept very late compared to everyone else. I only got about 7-8 hours of sleep in elementary school. I remember my 3rd grade teacher asking me what time I slept because I looked sleepy, so I've probably never had a well night's rest. I think I've had teachers from earlier grades ask me that too when I was in their class. I've had dark circles under my eyes since I was 9 or 10 or earlier. Many times in middle and high school, I'd go to sleep at 2 or 3 and I'd need to wake up to go to sleep at 7 to go to school. This is why my male pattern baldness started at 11-13 years old.

I don't think masturbation is as important as sleep. There were many people who learned about masturbation and sex many years before I did and I don't think any of them have lost their hair. I definitely probably took the masturbation habit too far by spending many hours daily on it though. I was pretty horny before I learned about masturbation, probably because of my sleep deprivation and calorie deficiency(I skipped breakfast most of my childhood), both of which lead to a desire for stimulation. Either way sleep deprivation is the cause of masturbation.

I have subtracted 20 years from my life, hairline, and brain function from this, but it's tough to beat this sleep deprivation addiction.
It's mostly a battle of willpower, but sleep deprivation destroys it.
It's an almost impossible battle I fight.

Thanks to finishing public high school, I'm now able to get 7 hours of sleep a day. Many times my sleep schedule constantly changing. I'll end up sleeping in the daytime and then my schedule will continue to change until I'm sleeping at night, but then my sleep schedule changes again. It's an endless cycle of disappointment. Right now my sleep schedule is on the verge of changing once again if I don't go to bed early today.
Please note that this is not involuntary insomnia. I have the power to stop it, probably, if I simply go to bed early. It's so difficult though even if I tell myself to go to bed early over and over again throughout the day. It has become an addiction.

No matter how much I want this to end, I am powerless. This makes me angry.

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Post  Xenon on Wed Jan 04, 2017 10:58 pm

sanderson wrote:
Xenon wrote:Nah, Sanderson, I've never had any bloods done.

i think you should check it dude. i relate to what you say in this post here, with the orgasm and itch. did you know post orgasm, your prolactin will go up. prolactin is suppressed via calcium and magnesium. magnesium cannot stay in place if aldosterone is high. aldosterone will go up if 1, not enough salt is consumed, and 2, if vitamin D is low. also thyroid is needed to keep magnesium in the body. i think there was some thread here about why homeless people had such good hair, you know, i am really starting to think vitamin D may be one of, if not the, most important aspect of hair loss...

has anyone here had vitamin D tested? can you post your level?

vit D gets complicated, it has co factors, k2, a, and e.

Cheers, dude. If I get no results this year, then I will opt for a blood test. I've also re-started on vits / supps, so, hopefully this will help out.

Day 21 of no fap... obviously too early for any results. Under a certain angle of light I can see every micro vellus hair (formerly my terminal hair line), but no indication of thickening yet.

@ madmnota and John3333: The itch / inflammation from one session of fap isn't terrible compared to other inflammatory initiators, but IMO it definitely is a consistent hair growth antagonist, esp if done multiple times per day. This is when inflammation becomes chronic, and follicles remain in the catagen phase. I know from personal experience (as does Sanderson and some others who have abstained), that, after several months, some follicles turn terminal. I haven't gone beyond six months of abstinence, so IDK if regrowth will gather pace, and more and more hairs will start popping up (I hope so).

As for sleep deprivation, you're prob aware this issue has been covered a number of times on the forum, and I largely concur with your point that it is a major factor, but, IMO, I wouldn't say #1 cause. What I've read: sleep deprivation causes infections, which then causes a 'cytokine storm' throughout the body. The cytokines are programmed to readily home in on tissues with an abundance of CRTH2 receptors, and hair follicles happen to be a storehouse for them.Also, I think this is how Swiss Temples managed to regrow his hair... Setipiprant blocks this cytokine receptor, thus it makes sense that this would cease an immune attack on follicles.

Edited: It would seem that DHT plays a pivotal role in causing these immune receptors to upregulate, hence the reason why we see many FTM transsexuals experience pattern baldness after a while of being on testosterone. There absolutely has to be a connection.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  madmnota on Thu Jan 05, 2017 3:25 am

@Xenon

I agree with most of the things you said.

But I also tend to believe that everybody is somebow responsible for it's hair loss. It's hard to explain what I mean, but I'm 100% sure that my hair loss started because of excesive masturbation, stress, and spending most of the time at home.

Situation was getting worse and worse, until finally there was a switch and my hair started shedding.

Also, every time I ejaculate after masturbation, my scalps gets more oily immediately, my temples burn and I can scratch white gunk of my scalp. It's there even if I don't masturbate, but there is so much less of it.

My hair loss is surely conected ti excesive masturbation (4-5 times a day), I can feel it.

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