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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  zanza on Wed May 14, 2014 12:15 pm

I don't think this theory is true. I started to lose lot of my hair (vertex) over a 2 year period of relatively low libido and infrequent PMO

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  nicks on Wed May 14, 2014 1:55 pm

Ive only masterbated like 7 times when I was 17 (im 23 now) and I never orgasm'd. Its a bunch of horse shit.

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Post  Hairbeback on Wed May 14, 2014 4:41 pm

Where is the science?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Wed May 14, 2014 7:28 pm

nicks wrote:Ive only masterbated like 7 times when I was 17 (im 23 now) and I never orgasm'd. Its a bunch of horse shit.

Not horseshit, although not all guys seem to suffer hairloss from masturbating. It seems to mainly affect the temples / hairline and I have a strong idea why... I experimented a while back and masturbated several times in one day. Here's what I closely observed... First I noticed that my temples started to heat up, then they began to sweat. After masturbating second time I started noticing inflammation in specific areas of the temples. After doing it a third time my temples were even more inflamed.

Now, every time my temples heated up and sweated after long exercise sessions inflammation would occur in the exact same way, so I came to the conclusion that there was some inflammatory metabolic byproduct in sweat which was triggering this inflammatory response, so I decided to wash my scalp after exercise, and the inflammation immediately began to subside. I suspected the same was true for inflammation caused by excess masturbation, so I cleansed the sweat from my scalp and voila! ...inflammation began to also immediately subside.

I suspect that the inflammatory byproduct in sweat is lactic acid (possibly something else also), but the point is, sweat contains a substance which the scalp is sensitive to, yet washing it away prevents inflammation.

Maybe this is the fundamental difference between sex and masturbating: when most people have sex they shower afterwards and wash away inflammatory byproducts, whereas when guys masturbate they don't feel the need to shower, so all of this inflammatory shit lingers on the scalp and begins to wreak havoc on hair.






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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  nvmmm on Wed May 14, 2014 8:29 pm

i guess this is my first comment on this topic. my theory is - in layman's terms - MPB of all men is caused by some identical reason, but this one identical reason is caused by several subreasons which may be different for each. that's why i think over-PMO plays a role for some and for some not. i have been doing over-PMO for 10 years and then tried to experiment - i went through a couple of periods of abstinence. there's just no doubt that over-PMO plays a role for me. and a big one. after a few days on no-PMO my scalp itching is gone, which is the main signal that it is actually doing something, there's also decrease in shedding, fatigue, joint pain and it has also some positive effect on things like concentration, self-confidence, nervousness etc. and then i go back to PMO again and everything bad is back and everything good is gone.

on the internet, there are tons of posts that doubt our theory. but when i read their arguments, i have to laugh. "every porn actor would be bald! every man in the world would be bald!" they clearly don't understand that we are talking only about genetically predisposted guys. and when someone is porn actor, that doesn't necessarily mean he ejaculates a lot, lol.

but this is important. CS says, when we fix our bodies with right supplements and right diet, ejaculation is not the issue anymore. i have been on the regimen he suggest for a couple of weeks or months, and i have been noticing quite interesting thing lately. even when ejaculating frequently, i don't get the scalp itching i used to get anymore, which is a huge and important change.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Wed May 14, 2014 8:54 pm

nvmmm (and others) next time you feel inflammation from fapping, try cleansing your scalp afterwards and see if this takes away the inflammation. It would be interesting to find out if you folks notice inflammation disappears also.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  nvmmm on Wed May 14, 2014 9:06 pm

in my case it's like pain in my hair roots, it hurts like someone tears out my hair. and it lasts for days. even when i take a long cold shower right after it, it doesn't go away. and that's why i am big fan of no-PMO, it helps me to avoid this pain in scalp which i believe plays a significant role in my hair loss.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Wed May 14, 2014 11:06 pm

nvmmm, what you describe, sounds like burning scalp syndrome... could also be related to a condition called cholinergic urticaria, whereby specific tissues are hypersensitive to heat and produce inflammatory histamines.

I've experienced enough inflammation to cause my hairline to recede, but never as bad as you describe. The worst inflammatory triggers (for me) are grains and prolonged ketodiets (the former being much worse). But I'd say that my hairloss was mainly caused by excessive masturbating from my early teens and onwards.

If only I made the connection much sooner, I wouldn't be trying to reverse my receded hairline now.

Prevention is better than cure, as they say. No shit it is.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Thu May 15, 2014 7:21 am

One of the biggest things I've noticed with nofap is the jawline changing and becoming more razor sharp. This is definetely not in my head because I have a picutre of me earlier this year in my student ID where my jawline is basically non existant. It looks like a bunch of fat under my chin even though I am skinny. Now my jawline is way more defined. It got me interested when I saw a picture of prince william just now, look at his jawline, and his hair is bad now also:



No jaw line is present here, look at from before and his younger days:



dat jaw line.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Hairbeback on Thu May 15, 2014 7:24 am

No fap has no solid science behind it. The people on yourbrainonporn are not even qualified

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  HolyOrders on Thu May 15, 2014 9:58 am

I agree through a preservation of your own semen one feels more energetic.
Possibly because of the burden the body must undergo to replace this life giving substance.
After not fapping for a while my muscles and body improved. Of course heavy metal exposure
or gmo poisoning or corruption of genetic expressions halts results. In my opinion...

Prince william should get hair implants, his wedding was ridiculous.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  DeadlyDevice on Thu May 15, 2014 10:06 am

Hairbeback wrote:No fap has no solid science behind it. The people on yourbrainonporn are not even qualified

If you were a caveman sticking your hand in a fire would you wait for someone qualified to tell you that was bad for you or what?

Da fuq, what ever happened to trying something for yourself and seeing if it has any merit?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  stresssucks on Thu May 15, 2014 11:25 am

DeadlyDevice wrote:
Hairbeback wrote:No fap has no solid science behind it. The people on yourbrainonporn are not even qualified

If you were a caveman sticking your hand in a fire would you wait for someone qualified to tell you that was bad for you or what?

Da fuq, what ever happened to trying something for yourself and seeing if it has any merit?

yup.


anecdotal evidence, while very unreliable, will show up before there is science backing it.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  hairsgud on Fri May 16, 2014 4:17 am

wait... are you guys saying nofap only helps hair line?
my hairline has only just began to recede, but im more concerned about my crown... will no fap help my crown?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  DeadlyDevice on Fri May 16, 2014 4:20 am

There is only one way to find out. There is some slight evidence that nofap&noporn could lower DHT so that would be a very roundabout way of potentially slowing your hair loss, though the added stress of trying to fight off fapping on a daily basis might offset any positive benefits from DHT reduction.

Either way, it's a crapshoot.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Fri May 16, 2014 5:32 am

During two periods of abstinence I experienced hair line regrowth, but it took about 5 months for about 6 new terminal hairs to manifest. So who knows how long it would have taken to see anything even near significant? Yet, from my careful observation, over fapping sure as hell causes recession.

Excess masturbating definitely plays a part, but it is not the #1 cause of baldness, nor is abstinence the #1 cure.









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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  DeadlyDevice on Fri May 16, 2014 5:47 am

Xenon wrote:
Excess masturbating definitely plays a part, but it is not the #1 cause of baldness, nor is abstinence the #1 cure.

Yeah I'd say that's a pretty accurate way of putting it.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  hairsgud on Fri May 16, 2014 5:47 am

but apart from hair line, does it help crow/vertex?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  DeadlyDevice on Fri May 16, 2014 5:49 am

We don't know! You would have to try it for a few months and see. Can you do it?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Fri May 16, 2014 6:15 am

hairsgud wrote:but apart from hair line, does it help crow/vertex?

It never seemed to affect my crown or vertex - just the temples, but IDK if that is the case for others. As deadly device said, you'll have to observe for yourself and look for signs of inflammation and hair thinning.
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Post  hairsgud on Fri May 16, 2014 6:18 am

DeadlyDevice wrote:We don't know! You would have to try it for a few months and see. Can you do it?

sure as hell going to give it my best.

been trying to do it for few months now, but always failed after few days.


I think most of thinning is due to dandruff flakiness suborrea infestation (I don't know what I have exactly)
went on no shampoo regimen, it helped, but now its back, any idea how to fight it? or better yet how to treat the root of the problem?

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  hairsgud on Fri May 16, 2014 6:19 am

Xenon wrote:
hairsgud wrote:but apart from hair line, does it help crow/vertex?

It never seemed to affect my crown or vertex - just the temples, but IDK if that is the case for others. As deadly device said, you'll have to observe for yourself and look for signs of inflammation and hair thinning.

that's discouraging... I wonder why it effects temples but not crown and vertex.

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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  Xenon on Fri May 16, 2014 6:32 am

hairsgud wrote:
Xenon wrote:
hairsgud wrote:but apart from hair line, does it help crow/vertex?

It never seemed to affect my crown or vertex - just the temples, but IDK if that is the case for others. As deadly device said, you'll have to observe for yourself and look for signs of inflammation and hair thinning.

that's discouraging... I wonder why it effects temples but not crown and vertex.

Possibly because we sweat more from the temples than the crown. When we sweat from the temples they secrete metabolic waste byproducts which can build up within tissues. Secondly, we mainly sleep with our temples pressed against a pillow. This might create a moist environment which breeds bacteria; it may also choke off blood which may lead to hypoxia.
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  sanderson on Fri May 16, 2014 9:06 am

hairsgud wrote:
DeadlyDevice wrote:We don't know! You would have to try it for a few months and see. Can you do it?

sure as hell going to give it my best.

been trying to do it for few months now, but always failed after few days.


I think most of thinning is due to dandruff flakiness suborrea infestation (I don't know what I have exactly)
went on no shampoo regimen, it helped, but now its back, any idea how to fight it? or better yet how to treat the root of the problem?

http://immortalhair.forumandco.com/t10025-therapeutic-and-prophylactic-effects-of-crude-honey-on-chronic-seborrheic-dermatitis-and-dandruff
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Re: Reddit Thread - Masturbation and Hairloss

Post  hiilikeyourbeard on Sat May 17, 2014 6:19 am

masturbation probably causes some people to shed because it causes inflammation of the scalp?
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